Timing chain stretch: '07 4Runner

Some project notes for anybody else undertaking a timing chain replacement, with the caveat that this is for informational purposes only and should not be taken as authoritative:

-I soaked the new chains in clean motor oil prior to mounting them, to allow oil to soak into the pins & bushings. Also applied a light coat of engine assembly grease to the sprocket teeth, guide rails, and tensioner sliders as prelube. No dry new parts during initial startup.

-I removed the two threaded studs from the block at the lower side of the timing cover to allow more up/down movement of the cover during installation. They threaded back into the block easily after the cover was in place.

-Triple-check the oil pump drive alignment *before* applying FIPG to the timing cover. The service manual provides a drawing showing the oil pump center gear at about 1 o'clock, with the crank at #1 TDC.

-Do a few dry runs installing the timing cover without sealant and before the oil pump o-ring is installed. Build muscle memory for the process, it's a complex operation getting the oil pump, pickup o-ring, FIPG bead, and block dowels aligned in one smooth motion.

-I also left the crank seal out during timing cover installation, to allow more up/down movement of the cover. The new seal drove in easily after the cover was bolted up...seal drives in until flush with the timing cover surface, no more and no less. Leaving the seal out also allows for visual inspection of the oil pump center gear and drive, and wiggling the oil pump center gear to get it aligned during assembly if needed.

-The timing cover was most easily installed by placing the bottom of the cover onto the oil pan surface first, at a slight angle with the top of the cover away from the engine, and then tilting the cover onto the engine while gently pushing the lower cover onto the oil pump drive and the 2 block dowel pins. Again, do a few dry runs before installing the o-rings and applying FIPG sealant.

-Permatex "aviation" sealant did a nice job of holding the oil pump o-ring in place during timing cover installation. Light coat in the o-ring groove, light coat on one side of the o-ring, let both tack up for ~5 minutes, then press the o-ring into place. I used a large plastic carpenter's clamp and a plastic spatula-type scraper to apply light & uniform pressure to the o-ring while the sealant cured.

-Light coat of motor oil on the o-ring and oil pan surface it seals allows the o-ring to slide across smoothly during timing cover installation.

-The shop manual calls for removing the oil pan for this, I didn't. After the cover was in place and a few front bolts loosely threaded, I torqued the 4 bolts attaching the oil pan front to the timing cover bottom first. Goal was to compress the oil pump o-ring and ensure sealing. First pass at 7 N*m, then second pass at 14 N*m then final pass at 23 N*m. Then I torqued the front bolts in same 3 steps, starting at the center and doing figure-8 sequence outward. It's a lot of work doing all the bolts 3x gradually, but the thing's aluminum and avoiding warpage is worth the effort.

-FIPG sealant: The shop manual calls for 2 different FIPGs: one for the water pump passages, and a different one for the cover's main sealing surfaces. I used the Toyota specified expensive FIPG for the water pump surfaces, not sure if this was absolutely necessary but it wasn't worth risking re-doing the project to save $40. The #103 FIPG specified for the cover's main sealing surface was only $15 at the dealership, but the $40 water pump passage FIPG was special order.

-Prior to initial startup of the engine, I removed the fuel pump fuse and used the starter to build oil pressure until the oil pressure warning light went out. Three short cranks of a few seconds each was all it took, and probably helped pressurize the new #2 chain tensioners which don't have ratchets like the #1 chain tensioner. When I reinstalled the fuel pump fuse and started the engine, it was quiet.
 
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The two oil system o-rings are a cross-fingers ordeal, hoping they stay in place while the timing cover goes on.... .... but I'll still be watching the oil pressure light and crossing my fingers during that first startup. If either o-ring popped out during assembly, it's another complete teardown.

Wondering how things went on start up? Success?
 
Wondering how things went on start up? Success?

I'm just over 1,100 miles since the reassembly and all is well. Runs much more smoothly under acceleration than it did with the stretched chain, long term fuel trims are reporting within 0.78% of each other on both banks now (were showing ~3% variation between banks), dash showed 24.x MPG on the most recent road trip with the cruise set at 70mph.

I debated replacing the oil pump while I was in there, but the oil warning light had always gone out during cranking right as the engine started so I left well enough alone. Light still goes out before I take my hand off the key, so all is well.

In all, it was a good outcome having bought the Runner for cheap as a project. The timing cover was a royal PITA to clean and reinstall...aligning the oil pump drive and 2 block dowel pins while not smearing the bead of FIPG or unseating the 2 oil o-rings is a delicate process. Following the shop manual step by step is an easy win.
 
When I asked the my local Toyota dealer about the seal packing, the parts guy said they use #103 FIPG for everything. I like your idea of actually using the correct sealant for the water pump part.

Was the sealant you bought part number 08826-00100 or do they have a newer number for it? Also, where did you buy it? I use Boch Toyota South for cheaper online Toyota parts, but they have that listed as $62 right now.

Thanks.
 
Was the sealant you bought part number 08826-00100 or do they have a newer number for it? Also, where did you buy it? I use Boch Toyota South for cheaper online Toyota parts, but they have that listed as $62 right now.

Thanks.

It was part# 08826-00100.
 
Gotta give you props for this, man. Thanks for all the details, and hats off for a difficult job done well.

Just wanted to say that I bought a 1988 4Runner new (22R-E), and somewhere around 150k it developed a slight rattle which my service guy told me was a worn timing chain guide. He didn’t seem concerned about it and just told me to keep up with oil changes.

I drove that thing to 305k, doing regular oil changes, and never did anything to the chain. So when you say maybe you could have avoided it, perhaps you were right. But now you have bragging rights over the rest of us!

Again, excellent job. Thanks for sharing!
 
No excuse for neglecting oil changes, but it does show that chains aren't what they are cracked up to be. Is a serviceable belt such a burden?
 
I bought my 2016 4R brand new. First oil change at 2K miles, 2nd oil change at 5K miles, all future oil changes at 5K mile intervals using Mobil 1 full synthetic and an OEM filter. After buying this project and doing a bunch of homework, I will replace my chain as a kit at 200K miles no matter what. I more than maintain my engine, change oil twice as often as Toyota says I need to, but I'll still do it for simple peace of mind.
 
I bought my 2016 4R brand new. First oil change at 2K miles, 2nd oil change at 5K miles, all future oil changes at 5K mile intervals using Mobil 1 full synthetic and an OEM filter. After buying this project and doing a bunch of homework, I will replace my chain as a kit at 200K miles no matter what. I more than maintain my engine, change oil twice as often as Toyota says I need to, but I'll still do it for simple peace of mind.

With the automotive industry and oil manufacturers now focused on timing chain wear, standards are improving in this area. GM's new Dexos 1 Gen 2 oil spec, and the upcoming ILSAC spec, both have specific requirements for minimizing timing chain wear. None of this existed previously, and timing chains paid the price for it. It's likely that your chain will never need replacement.
 
With the automotive industry and oil manufacturers now focused on timing chain wear, standards are improving in this area. GM's new Dexos 1 Gen 2 oil spec, and the upcoming ILSAC spec, both have specific requirements for minimizing timing chain wear. None of this existed previously, and timing chains paid the price for it. It's likely that your chain will never need replacement.

My engine oil doesn't need to be changed at 5K miles, my diffs didn't need first service at 10K miles, I may not need a chain at 200K. I do all this anyway because to me it's cheap peace of mind. Not saying I will do my diffs every 10K but I did want to get that original oil out of there. Glad I did, it was pretty nasty. The day I serviced the diffs I took a 3 hour drive and I actually picked up about .5 mpg after servicing both diffs with Mobil 1 synthetic 75-90 gear oil as odd as that might sound.
 
My engine oil doesn't need to be changed at 5K miles, my diffs didn't need first service at 10K miles, I may not need a chain at 200K. I do all this anyway because to me it's cheap peace of mind. Not saying I will do my diffs every 10K but I did want to get that original oil out of there. Glad I did, it was pretty nasty. The day I serviced the diffs I took a 3 hour drive and I actually picked up about .5 mpg after servicing both diffs with Mobil 1 synthetic 75-90 gear oil as odd as that might sound.

Agreed on the drivetrain lubricants. I did the automatic transmission fluids and differentials at 30K miles on our new vehicles, and never regretted it for the same reason you posted. Black & gross after break-in. Same for engine oil, 5K miles but with Pennzoil synthetic. No doubt Mobil-1 is also good, we're just a Pennzoil family here.
 
It's a useful video and I've watched it several times. However, he left out quite a few steps in the video, and made it unnecessarily hard to install the main chain. Shop manual procedure looks much easier...idler sprocket goes on after the chain is hung and timing marks verified...then the tensioner. I'll be installing mine this weekend so we'll see how this works out.

Knowing now that my "engine noise" was actually two serpentine belt idler pulleys, and that my main chain tensioner still had 4-5 teeth on the plunger length, I think I could have delayed or avoided this project by simply advancing the bank 1 intake cam by 1 tooth on the chain as a guy on the FJ Cruiser forum did. Bank 2 timing was retarded slightly also, but not throwing a code. I'll never know, but for anybody else encountering P0016 with a stretched main chain I'd recommend experimenting with this before disassembling the front of the engine.

Sorry this is an old thread but do you have a link to this? My cam timing marks are off by 1/2 tooth at TDC with a new chain and tensioner and I may need to advance the exhaust to fix it since I can't think of another way to stop the timing retard.
 
Thanks for this forum, I just successfully completed my timing chain replacement on a 2007 4.0L 4Runner 1GR FE engine. Everything went exactly as others have already said.
The hardest trouble I had was with the bottom bolds holding the A/C compressor on. Having the right length of extension to get a socket on it was key to success.

This was the most involved mechanical thing I have ever tackled. Previously just brakes / oil changes etc...

Probably took 30 hours of labor. The greatest part was the improved understanding of how everything works :)

Thanks!
 
Just to clarify, if it's needed, but the timing chain doesn't "stretch", it wears, as was brought out in the posts about the upgrade in oil specs to combat that wear.
What seems to be "stretch" is a culmination of the wear of each chain pin.
 
P0016, car runs fine but the code won’t leave me alone

Hi all! I love this thread but dread having to use it. ^^; For those of you with experience, would you mind peaking at my tensioner, please? I’ve been getting code P0016 for a few months now, and attached is a pic of the tensioner. Do I have a stretched chain? How long can I put this off? I probably won’t have time for a big job like this until May...

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