Toyota 4Runner Frame Recall Campaign

It was almost 3yrs old whenI purchased it. There was no rusting that was out of the ordinary. The origin of the rust, from what I surmise and assessed developed from the inner frame rail. I felt the SUV was lacking a frame rail drain and ended up also drilling four 1/8th in weep holes at the lowest points of the rails. I am in discussions with some executives at Toyota Motor Sales in Torrance, Ca as I type.
 
Just ran across this thread .... FYI, what others have already said about 3rd gen frames being made in Japan is true. My son works for Toyota Motor Sales and I've had this discussion with him in depth. From Toyota's POV Dana Holdings, who made the frames for Tacoma, Tundra & Sequoia in Ohio, is responsible for the frame rot issue on those vehicles. The coating applied to the frames was provably inferior. Dana was sued by Toyota and ended up having to pay out $25 million, which is probably what's covering the financial cost of the frame replacements being done. I would be ecstatic if the 4runners became eligible for replacement frames but I highly doubt it will happen. Even though there is plenty of proof there is a frame rot problem, it is highly unlikely that Toyota would admit that they themselves were responsible. I've seen many 4runner frames with holes, splits and cracks just like the Tacomas...which made me wonder about the effectiveness of the coating applied in Japan. I live in Vermont, one of the worst places for rust, and I am continually applying Fluid Film, Por-15 & Ospho (not in that order) to try and stay on top of it. My own opinion is that yes, it seems the frames were not made stable enough for some areas...and it's a shame for such a quality vehicle.
 
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It was almost 3yrs old whenI purchased it. There was no rusting that was out of the ordinary. The origin of the rust, from what I surmise and assessed developed from the inner frame rail. I felt the SUV was lacking a frame rail drain and ended up also drilling four 1/8th in weep holes at the lowest points of the rails. I am in discussions with some executives at Toyota Motor Sales in Torrance, Ca as I type.

My 4runner is 15 years old and has NO rust at all. So what is ordinary? I think the damage was already done. Once it started, washing it doesn't help.

In the old days, Fords would rust in 5 or 6 years, no one sued Ford for that. The litigious society we have become is rather absurd. My opinion is that unless you bought the car new, your complaint against Toyota is moot. That is of course, just my opinion. Oh well, no clever GIF from me, but I welcome all you have!

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Because California..... I don't agree that Toyota should foot the bill, but they do rot up here...

No doubt about it, the real question is "How long is Toyota responsible for it?" and I think most people agree that 10 years is probably on the outside of that.

Lets face it, most 3rd Gen 4Runners are over the 150k mile point, and still going. A lot of trucks are junkyard bound at that point even if the frames are solid.

Frame rust has been an issue on trucks in the rust belt for decades, and it's not just Toyotas.
 
Ford Explorers have rear leaf spring mounts rusting off left and right over here. Coil sprung Montero Sports rust in the exact same control arm location. This isn't a Toyota problem, it's a lazy owner problem. Read the owner's manual.

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Ford Explorers have rear leaf spring mounts rusting off left and right over here. Coil sprung Montero Sports rust in the exact same control arm location. This isn't a Toyota problem, it's a lazy owner problem. Read the owner's manual.

No gif for this post, too lazy.

I agree. This is how I have kept all my vehicles looking like 'southern' cars underneath. Spray everything down in the fall and it looks new when it comes off in the spring

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Sorry, but if that were true, you wouldn't have any frame rust. More likely you washed the body as needed, but didn't even think to wash the undercarriage. Ignorance is no excuse, it's still neglect on your part, intentional or not. It is however a good learning lesson.

I reply to most of these threads, because I think people should take responsibility for their actions, or in the case of a rusted vehicle, inaction.

My soon to be 18 year old 4Runner (which I bought new off the lot) has spent it's entire life in a State that salts the roads heavily, all winter long.

I knew what the salted roads can do to any make or model of vehicle, so I determined to be very proactive in washing the salt off the entire truck as needed. I've spent lots of time with a garden hose, washing off the entire truck, including the undercarriage, in below freezing temperatures, in the dead of Winter.

A neighbor used to make fun of me for doing that. His Mercury Mountaineer, (fancy Ford explorer) which was the same year as my 4Runner, was neglected during the Winter months. It was hauled off to the junkyard years ago, because it had rusted to the point of being unsafe to drive.

Bottom line: Even a neglected 4Runner will last well past the rust warranty period. If you want it to last even longer, it needs to be maintained. In a highly corrosive environment, that becomes far more critical, no matter the make or model of vehicle.

OK, but is there rust? :hiding:
 
Just to change things up a bit, here is what happens to older Exploders. What you can't see is that the right side forward mount also snapped. To top it off, the lady was told how much the repair would be, and decided to drive the truck like this for 2 months on a 40 mile commute every day over what are really some of the crappiest highways in the country. she finally decided it was time to fix it. My mechanic said it was not the funnest fix.

So, should we all buy these $1000 Exploders and tell Ford to buy them back?
 

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Just to change things up a bit, here is what happens to older Exploders. What you can't see is that the right side forward mount also snapped. To top it off, the lady was told how much the repair would be, and decided to drive the truck like this for 2 months on a 40 mile commute every day over what are really some of the crappiest highways in the country. she finally decided it was time to fix it. My mechanic said it was not the funnest fix.

So, should we all buy these $1000 Exploders and tell Ford to buy them back?

You can weld that back on!
 
You can weld that back on!

The forward mounts, maybe. But the usual fix is to drill the rivets out(time consuming) and order an aftermarket piece that bolts in place. The issue is when it snaps on the driver side, because the labor involved with dropping the gas tank will quickly exceed the cost of an old Explorer. It's not like there is much of an enthusiast base for these in northern NJ. I actually don't mind these older ones even if they are not 4Runners. I wouldn't mind the 2-door. :hiding:

Oh yeah, notice that spare, I'm pretty sure it's one of the recall Firestones.
 

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