Toyota Upcoming Redesign Timeline

[blakjack23]

All I found was this. Seems legit.

 

[jwkilgore]

It's going to have a V8? Nice! :wave:

Why not? The top tier Prado has one and the GX has one, so if the GX is going away it makes sense for the top-tier 4Runner to get one.

Can we start a pool to take guesses and award the person who is the closest.

Here is my bet.

The 6th gen will be very similar to the 5th. The motor will change over to the 3.5 DI and the transmission will be the auto 6 speed (all found in the new Tacoma). Power will remain about the same and MPG will improve slightly. More luxury and safety features will be added and the interior will become more refined. The body panels will also be modified to give it an updated look, but the basic underpinnings will remain about the same dimensions. Overall, the look will lean towards the current GX and be less rugged and more luxury.

I want to play too! Here's my prediction/wish list:

• The 4Runner and Prado will remain BOF but will change over to the IMV platform.
• They'll add a new luxury trim level, the GX, if they discontinue the Lexus. Trim levels will be SR5, Trail, Limited, GX. TRD-Bro will be reintroduced at the mid-gen refresh.
• Stock engine will be the 3.5L V6 from the Taco, tuned for 300hp. Trail and GX versions will have an optional V8.
• Transmission will be 8-speed auto out of the Landcruiser.
• Center Torsen Diff with AWD will be available across all trim levels.
• All major components and options will be interchangeable between trim levels. You'll be able to get an OEM e-locker dealer installed in your SR5 without having to swap axles; same with third row seats, KDSS, etc.
• Anti-sway bars will be redesigned to allow off-road disconnects without damaging the CV boot.
• They'll move the front body mount and redesign the control arms and wheel wells so full 34's will fit without any modifications more major than a small lift.
• Optional swing-arm spare mount and factory secondary gas tank under cargo area like with the Prado.

First items are predictions, later items are wish list.

 

[Range]

this topic reminds me of my 20 year old nanny who seems to know what the Kardashians are doing in their personal lives because Star magazine told her so………….

 

[TOY2G]

How many ways can you guys come up with to start a thread discussing the future of the 4Runner....

Just sit back and keep your mouth shut, this has only begun! The FJ end days thread lasted from 2007-2015, I bet we can top that here.

 

[Pkniland]

Because everyone cares much about this topic, I am willing to start a STICKY on this topic! Here's the deal: You must bring facts

Well that went about as expected.

 

[1engineer]

Well that went about as expected.

That's why we will never have a sticky...

 

[TOY2G]

It's so scary what people can get from that chart , The GX dicontinued ? It tells us right there its getting redesigned next year and the 4Runner after that. It lists a new model TX , It tells you the 4Runner will be redesigned for 2018 MY and some people think it will be the same or discontinued. Crazy . It does not say anything under 2016 4Runner that's what a carryover looks like on that chart. The introduction of the GX and 4Runner in late 2009 was split by a few months similar to this time. The new TX will be all the things you are worried about . The prado, landcruiser , 4Runner , GX, surf , all the 150 chassis vehicles will be ok for now just like the chart shows.

Not from the chart man. From press release information. The chart is Johnny come lately and seems to be a bit off kilter..

Soruces:

(In an interview with Autoblog at the 2015 New York Auto Show, Lexus executive vice president Mark Templin gave some hints at the future of his brand's SUV lineup. "With NX and RX, we have a really good one-two punch in the crossover segments, and we think we can cover most of the markets with that," he said.

As for the larger, three-row GX and LX models, which are built on a traditional ladder-frame chassis, things aren't so clear. Templin noted the the success of both models all over the world – the LX is the best-selling Lexus in Saudi Arabia. The same is true for sales here, he said: "We do very well with those products in the United States – GX has been a great product for us in the US for the last couple of years since its initial introduction. But the future of those vehicles longer term is in doubt because of regulations that are being driven by governments all over the world.") AutoBlog 2015

(The article says that the GX, which is based on the foreign-market Toyota Land Cruiser Prado, will get a styling update for 2014 before being phased out in 2016. In a similar move as Infiniti made with its three-row JX/QX60, the new TX will be car-based, but details are still unknown as to whether it will be front-wheel-drive riding on the Toyota Avalon platform or rear-wheel-drive using the Lexus GS platform. Either way, this new luxury crossover could join the Lexus lineup as soon as late 2016.) AutoBlog 2014

(GX: The 2014 midcycle freshening for the truck-based SUV includes a trapezoidal fascia and more telematics, although there will be such cost-cutting measures as manual third-row seats. The GX will be removed from the lineup in the fall of 2016 to make room for the car-based TX.
TX: Talk about missed opportunities. It has been 10 years since Lexus unveiled the HPX seven-seat car-based crossover concept at the New York auto show — and we’ll wait at least three more years to see a production version on public roads when it arrives in late 2016 or early 2017. Toyota has applied for a trademark for the TX nameplate. Toyota is secretive about whether the TX would use the RX-Avalon front-wheel-drive architecture for packaging benefits or use the IS/GS rear-wheel-drive architecture for a sportier feel.) Lexus Enthusiast Dot com

(It’s previously been reported that the GX would be adopting a car-like unibody structure for its next generation instead of the current model’s body-on-frame platform. It turns out Lexus is likely to drop the GX from its lineup and replace it with the new TX.) Motor Authority

https://lexusenthusiast.com/2013/07...gx-in-2016-replace-with-seven-seat-crossover/

Lexus to replace GX SUV with new TX crossover

Lexus To Replace GX SUV With New TX Seven-Seat Crossover?

There are more articles avail if you care to look for yourself, but as I mentioned in my first post, my comments were based on press release information, not some mystic chart.

 

[TOY2G]

All colors will be offered as long as they rhyme with "lack" and sporty wire wheels will come standard."

WAIT!!!! I can get a 4runner in Mavitantolivalack Grey if I wait on the 6th gen....that does it...

 

[1engineer]

Not from the chart man. From press release information. he chart is Johnny come lately and seems to be a bit off kilter..

Soruces:

(In an interview with Autoblog at the 2015 New York Auto Show, Lexus executive vice president Mark Templin gave some hints at the future of his brand's SUV lineup. "With NX and RX, we have a really good one-two punch in the crossover segments, and we think we can cover most of the markets with that," he said.

As for the larger, three-row GX and LX models, which are built on a traditional ladder-frame chassis, things aren't so clear. Templin noted the the success of both models all over the world – the LX is the best-selling Lexus in Saudi Arabia. The same is true for sales here, he said: "We do very well with those products in the United States – GX has been a great product for us in the US for the last couple of years since its initial introduction. But the future of those vehicles longer term is in doubt because of regulations that are being driven by governments all over the world.") AutoBlog 2015

(The article says that the GX, which is based on the foreign-market Toyota Land Cruiser Prado, will get a styling update for 2014 before being phased out in 2016. In a similar move as Infiniti made with its three-row JX/QX60, the new TX will be car-based, but details are still unknown as to whether it will be front-wheel-drive riding on the Toyota Avalon platform or rear-wheel-drive using the Lexus GS platform. Either way, this new luxury crossover could join the Lexus lineup as soon as late 2016.) AutoBlog 2014

(GX: The 2014 midcycle freshening for the truck-based SUV includes a trapezoidal fascia and more telematics, although there will be such cost-cutting measures as manual third-row seats. The GX will be removed from the lineup in the fall of 2016 to make room for the car-based TX.
TX: Talk about missed opportunities. It has been 10 years since Lexus unveiled the HPX seven-seat car-based crossover concept at the New York auto show — and we’ll wait at least three more years to see a production version on public roads when it arrives in late 2016 or early 2017. Toyota has applied for a trademark for the TX nameplate. Toyota is secretive about whether the TX would use the RX-Avalon front-wheel-drive architecture for packaging benefits or use the IS/GS rear-wheel-drive architecture for a sportier feel.) Lexus Enthusiast Dot com

(It’s previously been reported that the GX would be adopting a car-like unibody structure for its next generation instead of the current model’s body-on-frame platform. It turns out Lexus is likely to drop the GX from its lineup and replace it with the new TX.) Motor Authority

https://lexusenthusiast.com/2013/07...gx-in-2016-replace-with-seven-seat-crossover/

Lexus to replace GX SUV with new TX crossover

Lexus To Replace GX SUV With New TX Seven-Seat Crossover?

There are more articles avail if you care to look for yourself, but as I mentioned in my first post, my comments were based on press release information, not some mystic chart.

See, there's the challenge. Unless Toyota or Lexus issues the press release, then you have to parse the opinion of the guy telling the story and the guy writing the story.

 

[TOY2G]

See, there's the challenge. Unless Toyota or Lexus issues the press release, then you have to parse the opinion of the guy telling the story and the guy writing the story.

I was pretty sure I told you to sit back and keep your mouth shut. How is injecting reality into my post "keeping your mouth shut"?

You do however have a point, even the quote from the VP was rather ambiguous. I still reject your reality and substitute my own.

 

[CO-Cygnus]

So remember the 2016 Tundra Cummins? Reported on by a major auto publication?

Toyota Tundra to Get Cummins Diesel V-8 ? News ? Car and Driver | Car and Driver Blog

Until it shows up 'in the metal' then I consider it a guess/speculation.

 

[BlackWorksInc]

Toyota's Current and near-future mid-sized BOF vehicles

IMV Platform:
Tacoma (mid pickup)
Hilux (mid pickup)
Fortuna (mid SUV)
Innova (mid MPV)

J150 Platform:
Land Cruiser Prado (mid SUV)
4Runner (mid SUV)

With global sales and demand where they are (4Runner and Prado) there is no way Toyota has any plans to end production of robust off-road-capable mid-sized SUVs.

However, it is a fact that the J150-based FJ and GX(??) are being discontinued and the Prado and 4Runner re-designs are due next year (or the next). My bet is that the J150 platform will be discontinued and everything will shift to the IMV, or "Innovative International Multi-purpose Vehicle" platform. Either way (keep independent frame or go to the multipurpose frame), the 4Runner and Prado will continue as BOF for at least one more generation.

I have not found any information on Toyota Global's site or Toyota documents that state the 3rd Gen Tacoma is on anything related to the IMV Platform. From what I've seen, it's essentially a J150 frame with beefier second body mounts. The IMV frame underpinning the new Hilux is a fully boxed unit that bears a striking resemblance to the J120/J150 platform, though I can't find any information on what it is based off or measurements to compare it.

If you have data/information from Toyota regarding that I'd be highly interested in it.

 

[jwkilgore]

If you have data/information from Toyota regarding that I'd be highly interested in it.

I didn't have anything concrete, just multiple unofficial sites stating the Tacoma and Hilux shared a platform. I couldn't find any contradicting info, so I ran with it.

 

[BlackWorksInc]

I didn't have anything concrete, just multiple unofficial sites stating the Tacoma and Hilux shared a platform. I couldn't find any contradicting info, so I ran with it.

Yeah I saw some people mention that as well...

TOYOTA MOTOR CORPORATION GLOBAL WEBSITE | 75 Years of TOYOTA | Production | IMV Project Production Vehicles

So far only Hilux, Fortuner, and their funky BoF van are under the IMV platform. The new Hilux has a fully boxed frame, the new Tacoma does not last I checked.

 

[Deuskid]

You were right then, and you're right now. If there is a 6th gen 4Runner, it won't be the same platform. Look for pussification - unibody, IRS, or both. The change is mandated by increasingly strict safety and emissions standards.

So, do you predict no BOF platform?

 

[BlackWorksInc]

So, do you predict no BOF platform?

My guess is that the 6th gen will retain much of the J50 platform like the 3rd Gen Tacoma has. They'll beef up the second body mount like they did on the Tacoma and slightly tweak it (at least that's what they said they did in the 3rd Gen Tacoma... though the frame looks exactly the same besides the beefier mount...) and run the same 2GR-FKS mated to a 6spd Automatic like they have in the Tacoma.

After that... well, that's where it's going to become interesting... I don't see Toyota dropping the Prado anytime soon, but realistically with the GX & FJ discontinued that leaves only the 4Runner and Tacoma on the Prado platform. With Toyota quickly being put in a position where they'll be one of the only manufacturers left with a solid BoF mid-sized SUV, it could go either way with them switching to Unibody or retaining the BoF nature of the 4Runner.

If they were smart, they'd use the borrowed time with the 6th gen and the newly released 3rd Gen Tacoma to convert the Tacoma, 4Runner, and Prado to the Hilux's IMV platform and consolidate all their mid-sized BoF based vehicles onto a single flexible platform that they could keep on their line-up without getting too bent out of shape on sales volume. Then they could do a multiple or staggered release of the 4th gen Tacoma, 7th Gen 4Runner, 5th Gen Prado, and 9th Gen Hilux on the new architecture; it would allow them to have a baseline development scale on a unified and flexible architecture that would have enough parts commonality to level out production costs and maintain a BoF fleet into the foreseeable future; which might work in their favor if they end up having a monopoly on that since everyone else is pushing Unibody and there's still plentiful amounts of enthusiasts who would be looking for a new vehicle in the future that is as capable as their older BoF vehicles.