Tr4 VS Jeep liberty

[vandert]

The one thing it has on you is

Water intake fording height, thats it.


I got one for a month and a half while at Hurlburt Field in Florida, got some good pictures of the 2wd beast doing what Jeeps are built to do. It was rather tail happy which I loved, but it did not even compare to the Runner, thats like comparing a Regular Jeep Wrangler sport with no LSD and on the stock 29"s to a H1. Seriously, the Runner beeps at you but it keeps going the Liberty just lifts its leg everywhere to "mark" its territory., meaning maxing out its suspension flex and spinning one wheel.

I'm a diehard Wrangler fan, this is my wifes runner, but the Liberty isn't even accepted as a good vehicle in Jeep forums, they hate the grocery getter. It was also the pioneer for Jeep into IFS, it truly rings the tone Inferior Front Suspension.

You could bet pinkslips that you would beat him in everytest, except maybe turning radius. Oh and drifting and burnouts, they do pretty good with those, due to no traction control.

And as far as build quality, think Kia interiors because thats what the inside feels like.

T

 

[bryancos]

Our "other" car (the other half drives it) is a 2004 Jeep Liberty Limited, (which we purchased used w/ only 12K on the odometer) While it's a nice car, I'd still take my 03 SR5 over the Liberty any day hands down. I also had a brand new 99 Grand Cherokee for a couple years before trading it off... The quality and features just still aren't there in a Jeep...

 

[azskyrider]

Liberty Video

I don't think the person driving the liberty handled that situation correctly. Each 4x4 has a different 4wd system which means you can't just shift in 4wd and expect it to work the same way as a rubicon or a T4R for that matter.

In reviewing the video the T4r has a longer wheel base and already had momentum. The liberty did not have momentum and by the looks of the video the driver gave it more gas then he should have which only made the problem worse instead of applying the emergency brake and giving it a little gas which would have induced the limited slip to work. Spinning the tires only made it more into an OPEN Diff. Not once did you see the brake lights on signaling he was trying to induce the limited slip.

Granted the Liberty is in a different class than the T4R but I woudn't compare apples to oranges.

Great Video's. You can always learn from watching 4x4 videos.

 

[azskyrider]

Example

Here is a good example I found on the web. This example is with a wrangler with one wheel on a jack stand to simulate one wheel in the air or slipping.

This is what happens when you lose traction and have one wheel spinning.

slip video


This is what happens when you apply a little emergency brake to force the limited slip to activate.

Video with brake applied


Now looking at that video of the liberty, you can see that the rig was driven in a manner that it was doomed to fail.

Cheers,

 

[azskyrider]

Re: The one thing it has on you is

... but the Liberty isn't even accepted as a good vehicle in Jeep forums, they hate the grocery getter. It was also the pioneer for Jeep into IFS, it truly rings the tone Inferior Front Suspension.

Vendert,

Wrangler owners just do not like IFS period. They are already putting down the GC and the new to be released commander. Hell they gripe about any IFS vehicle for that matter on the Jeep forums.

The soon to be release Jeep Rescue or 4 door wrangler with a V6 will be very interesting in deed and hopefully with OUT IFS.

If not then there will be war drums beating.

 

[bulldog-yota]

FWIW the Liberty did have momentum when first entering the obstacle. True the 4R wheelbase is slightly longer, but the Liberty's ability to flex and traction management where not able to get the job done.

 

[vandert]

Yeap, azskyrider I'm just now starting to like

IFS, I am a former Pirate 4x4 die hard that is away from the mountains and carnage. I used to be die hard jeeps and SAS 4Runners, hell I still frequent sights as 86Project for my login name, that was what my last 4Runner was.

I sold it and bought a Wrangler, If I go back to mountains, it'll be a hard choice between a Rubicon, or a 2002-04 Tacoma, I would SAS the Taco, but thats a few years away still.

The Runner will be for "minor" off road action, but my next Wheeler will be built to the hilt.

You were completely correct though, The right Wrangler owners are die hard, and BTW, in that little crossing that stock wrangler would have had no problems, the TJ's are very capable with the Coils on all fours, I had a YJ last

T Out

 

[azskyrider]

FWIW the Liberty did have momentum when first entering the obstacle. True the 4R wheelbase is slightly longer, but the Liberty's ability to flex and traction management where not able to get the job done.

Bulldog,

I agree with what you are saying in principal, I just wouldn't judge by that video. The liberty had plenty of traction. IMO I think it was all driver error. When the tires started to spin the driver gave it more gas. Spinning only digs you in deeper, break parts, does NOT activate the LSD to its full potential. Not once did you see the brake lights light up when he was moving forward which would have given us an indication that he was trying to activate the LSD.

I posted just to inform the group of why the liberty failed in that particular situation and hopefully it might ring a bell for those that are not informed and might find themselves in a similar situation albiet probably in anther vehicle. I am not stating that the liberty is better than the T4R.

Cheers,

EDIT-FYI for those that might not know how an LSD works: applyinga little E-brake puts resistance to the tire that is spinning and triggers the LSD to activate which will supply power to the wheel that is not spinning and is on the ground.

 

[Mr.yoshimura]

Wifey drives a 05 Limited Liberty. They are not even in the same ball park with the 4runner.

How could you let your wife drive that!








Husband Against Wife Driving Jeep! :nono:

 

[Thai]

Azskyrider,

Well, if you apply the E-brake, then the brake light would not light up. But, you're right...the Liberty driver did not what he was doing. This is where two-feet driving is most appropriate...one foot on gas pedal and one foot on brake pedal...and you modulate the two together...squeeze enough braking power to slow the free-spinning wheel to even out the torque distribution. You can do this on an open diff or one that has LSD.

This is basically what ATRAC does on the 4runner...the computer does this for you.

In the 2 videos that you posted, it was with the Jeep Rubicon, which has a Torsen LSD in the rear axle when it is not locked. Torsen LSD are notorious for providing zero torque transfer when the one side is free-spinning. This is where clutch-based LSD has the advantage over Torsen-based differential.

That is why, in theory, you should lock the center diff of your 4runner when off-roading. If one axle is totally in mud or on ice, then the Torsen center diff may not transfer torque to the other axle!

Cool find BTW.

Thai.

 

[Thai]

Specifically thsi little cross axle situation:
Liberty went first
http://www.ezdries.net/Vidpics/clearcreekmay04/Liberty and traction.mpg

Here are two videos of a lifted Liberty (no aftermarket lockers or LSD):

http://www.ucltd.com/moab04/Clint on Tipover Challenge.wmv

http://www.ucltd.com/moab04/Don at Tipover.wmv

As you can see, and mentioned above, with proper gas/brake manipulation, a stock SUV can be effective.

Cool videos.

 

[CVsGX470]

Re: T4R VS Jeep liberty

So a new friend of mine just got a jeep liberty. He claims it is the hands down winner in a face off with my Rig. I don't know anything about the Jeep libertys to to give him grief about. any fuel for the fire i want to unleash? be kind, he is a friend with a poor choice of SUVs in my opinion. I got an 05 sport with V8, 4x4, and after market charcoal leather that is allright.

I own them both. My wife drives the Liberty b/c of its size. Hands down, the 4Runner schools the Liberty especially with handling in bad weather.

CV

 

[11liberty]

I'm late, but I own a 2011 Jeep Liberty Renegade, and it's pretty much out matched in everything. And this is coming from a guy who owns one. The only thing that the Liberty does well. Is break down.