Transmission Replacement
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03v8raleigh
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My 06 with 128k miles needs a transmissionI want to do a factory new Toyota brand one since I'm so upside down in the truck I'm stuck with it forever. Anybody know of any good deals?
Thank you,
Christian
Can't help with the solution but I'm going to ask what everyone else is probably wondering: What/when/where/why/how did your transmission die already with 128k miles?
Wish I knew. I got it with 110k a year ago. After doing some research it seemed to risky to replace the fluid after that many miles. 20k later it needs a tranny. It's spent a decent amount of time off road but nothing hard on the car just mainly Arizona back roads and what not.
shahsmerdis
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The only risk of damaging a transmission, is by not flushing the fluid. Why aren't you trying this first now? drop the pan, if there isnt metal everywhere chances you are over reacting.
edit who ever is telling you need a transmission run away.
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V8Limited4wd
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You don't know why the tranny is broken? Someone just told you it's broke and it has to be replaced?
What are you experiencing while driving it that makes you think it is broken?
The reason I ask is because I just replaced my fluid at 139k miles and it was smooth before the flush and even smoother afterwards. Also, the tranny is built to last a long time... so unless there was not enough fluid or the wrong fluid was put in I don't see how this could happen. Unless the tranny was really abused before you bought it.
On the way home the following codes came up it stated slipping and went into limp mode. P0776, p2714, p0776 P, p2714P I drove it home parked it. Following day had it towed to my step fathers shop. He did a fluid test then dropped the pan and inspected it. He believes we could bandaid the problem and prolong relacing it a bit. But we spend a lot of time in the snow and driving back and forth between AZ & Northern CA so I need the car to be reliable.
shahsmerdis
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There might be an issue with the pressure control switch or whatever that code pops up. You might want to get a wiring diagram and start back probing to ensure things are correct. Since you have access to a shop, you probably can diagnose it in an hour or so.
what did he see when he dropped the pan? maybe its electrical. I hope you spend a little time to figure out the code before just playing parts swap game on it.
Another Question
So, After all the Transmission needed to be replaced..
My Question is..
The transmission is installed and completed. drove the truck home today. Tomorrow we were thinking about going to the snow, which will be about 3ft max may have to air down.
I'm just wondering if there is any sort of break in period? the tech said i am good to go but i figured a second opinion couldn't hurt.
Thanks!
So, After all the Transmission needed to be replaced..
My Question is..
The transmission is installed and completed. drove the truck home today. Tomorrow we were thinking about going to the snow, which will be about 3ft max may have to air down.
I'm just wondering if there is any sort of break in period? the tech said i am good to go but i figured a second opinion couldn't hurt.
Thanks!
You know what they say. A sucker born everyday.
Thanks very helpful!
EVERYTHING mechanical is going to have a break in period. I haven't read about anyone else doing a transmission replacement, so I can't help you with specific information. I would call Toyota and get the appropriate break in information from them. You did buy a toyota transmission correct? Best of luck to you.
wcjeep
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Have to disagree with you. If the transmission has not received regular fluid changes over its lifetime changing servicing a high mileage transmission can doom it sooner than later. Transmission fluid has detergent built in that breaks down over time. Eventually the fluid is no longer cleaning. Fluid is also designed to hold dirt. The fluid can only hold so much. Introducing new fluid with new detergent can release any built up dirt left from old fluid. The immediate large scale dirt release might get into the small passages inside the transmission. Some people get lucky.
shahsmerdis
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yes, i agree, i know that argument . but in the context of his first message, sounded like he was condemning a transmission without actually first trying a fluid flush. what do you have to lose.
ben550
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Transmissions are not designed to be run with dirt in the system. Its not like there are chunks of dirt lodged around in the gear wheels.
I would think there are more issues caused by under or overfilling the transmission rather than putting new fluid in.
wcjeep
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Dirt can build up from old fluid. The dirt is released with new fluid. If the transmission had a good life a high mileage service might be ok. I brought it up to notify the OP of the dangers of high mileage first time service. I agree every high mileage first time service will not be terrible.
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Randyman...
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*EDIT* - Did not realize this was the 4th gen forum! Thought it was 5th gen with the sealed A750F and no specified service interval.
Are you guys considering a sealed Toyota A750F fluid flush at 128K a "high mileage service"? I'm pretty sure Toyota doesn't even specify the replacement interval (so called "Lifetime" fluid!??!).
I just changed mine shy of 100K (flushed 12 qts), and certainly didn't consider it a "High mileage service" by Toyota's own specs?
Sounds like the OP either had an abused tranny (heavy towing?) or a tird (factory defect)?
Are you guys considering a sealed Toyota A750F fluid flush at 128K a "high mileage service"? I'm pretty sure Toyota doesn't even specify the replacement interval (so called "Lifetime" fluid!??!).
I just changed mine shy of 100K (flushed 12 qts), and certainly didn't consider it a "High mileage service" by Toyota's own specs?
Sounds like the OP either had an abused tranny (heavy towing?) or a tird (factory defect)?
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ben550
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I hope you didnt take my post the wrong way. I was discussing a transmission fluid exchange on a Honda forum for my wife's car and the guys there pretty much put me on blast saying the car was going to self destruct with new fluid... I tried to discuss it with them saying the primary cause of a problem would be the correct fill level after completing the exchange which is an issue no matter if you do a full exchange or just a drain and fill. I understand your point about the dirt. I would think that new fluid can only help keep things going as long as possible. The new friction modifiers and additives will help more than they can hurt. Although if the transmission is toast, it will not be a miracle. I have done multiple fluid exchanges on 4runners with high mileage (134k and 160k) with no issues. One had received no known prior maintenance on the fluid. It did not fix all the hesitation in shifting issues, but it did not hurt anything either. Both are still daily drivers today both approaching or passing the 200k mark.
To answer your last question a transmission isn't quite the same as an engine as far as break in. You should be fine.
The most important thing is to flush the cooler/coolers thoroughly.
What transmission did you go with and how much was it?
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The most important thing is to flush the cooler/coolers thoroughly.
What transmission did you go with and how much was it?
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4runnBuckeye
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Hi All. New Member here with a possible transmission issue.
Back Story:
I purchased a used 2006 V6 Limited 4Runner in late summer of this year (2016) with 116K on the odometer (purchased in Ohio, my first 4Runner). It came with the original maintenance manual (the complete owner’s packet along with window sticker was also present) with fairly thorough history especially around the 111K mark. Plus, records of oil changes at the dealership of original purchase (Texas) nearly throughout the life of the vehicle. There was, however, nothing mentioned in the manual nor online about any transmission fluid or front/rear differential fluid being changed. Upon testing driving, transmission shifted smoothly, engine sounded and performed as it should (i.e. no weird noises, hums, banging, rumbling, etc.) The test drive was 95% highway. Dealer located very close to major highway, so not much stop and go traffic. In retrospect, I should have taken it through more stop and go.
Noticed after driving for a few weeks there was a "shutter" when coasting to a stop between first and second gears. More noticeable when slowing to a stop then taking off from one. However, my wife noticed nothing. She's driven it many times with absolutely no notice to what I was referring to. Made me even question whether or not I was feeling something until I had a friend drive it. He noticed it too. Very subtle shutter, but there. So, it was confirmed. I kept driving. Since purchasing, I've had oil changes done, cabin filter replaced, powering steering fluid flushed and replaced, and axle shafts replaced. I had the 120K maintenance performed just last week. That's when the cabin filter was replaced and another oil change done. My mechanic thoroughly looked over everything else that was mentioned in the manual, but felt no action needed to be taken because everything looked "really good". Upon dropping it off, I mention the shutter. So, he took it for a few test drives to see if he could feel it. He didn't. Since the transmission is sealed and he didn't have the tools, he couldn't change the fluid. I then took it to a friend of mine who runs his own car performance shop. He took it for a few test drives while recording engine/transmission data. He didn't feel the shutter either. What he felt and what the data confirmed is between 40-42 mph the torque converter is switching on/off on/off on/off rapidly. He told me that shouldn't happen. From his experience working on Hondas (specifically Odysseys), that's a good sign that the torque convert (and possibly the transmission) will need to be replaced. But, mentioned that it's not serious enough for any dash lights to come on and it could take many, many more miles to trigger it. He suggested that I take it to a Toyota dealership to have the transmission fluid drained and filled, making note of the condition of the fluid. Lastly mentioning that doing that should either make the problem go away or make it considerably worse.
I took it to a dealer two days ago. Along with the transmission fluid, I had them drain and fill the front/rear differential and transfer case fluids. My theory of the tranny fluid never being replaced was confirmed when the tech told me the condition of the fluid was brownish in color, but not burnt. Driving it for the last two days, I don't feel the shutter I did before. But, I do feel (or at least I think I do) something like a shutter around the 40-42 mph mark. Unfortunately, I'm not given the chance to maintain that speed long enough for me to really get a good feel of what might be happening. It could all be in my head now. Could be road conditions maybe coupled with outside temperatures (very, very cold outside)...or all in my head!
My question to all of you is how worried should I be and is it worth taking any action now. My thought is to take it back to my friend to see it the data still shows the problem (maybe worse now). If it's worse, think about having the torque converter replaced. If I'm going to do that, does it make sense to have the transmission replaced also? My friend worried me by saying that if the torque converter needs replacing you should also replace the tranny (expensive!!). But, he's basing that on his Odyssey experiences that bad torque converter also meant bad trannies. Maybe the trannies in 4Runners are much more durable not requiring both to be replaced? Remember, the fluid wasn't burnt, just pretty brown. Plus, the transmission shifts smooth after replacing fluids. I'd say a little smoother than before, but hard to really discern due to the super cold temperatures we're now having.
Or, I could just keep driving until the problem gets to a point were replacing both is my only option. Thoughts??
I just read the earlier posts stating that for higher mileage transmission you shouldn’t replace the fluid if you think it’s never been replaced. I hope I didn't exacerbate the problem. Right now, I’m not prepared to spend that kind of cash. Besides, the replacement of the torque converter, transmission and labor cost associated could be half as much as I paid for the vehicle!
Back Story:
I purchased a used 2006 V6 Limited 4Runner in late summer of this year (2016) with 116K on the odometer (purchased in Ohio, my first 4Runner). It came with the original maintenance manual (the complete owner’s packet along with window sticker was also present) with fairly thorough history especially around the 111K mark. Plus, records of oil changes at the dealership of original purchase (Texas) nearly throughout the life of the vehicle. There was, however, nothing mentioned in the manual nor online about any transmission fluid or front/rear differential fluid being changed. Upon testing driving, transmission shifted smoothly, engine sounded and performed as it should (i.e. no weird noises, hums, banging, rumbling, etc.) The test drive was 95% highway. Dealer located very close to major highway, so not much stop and go traffic. In retrospect, I should have taken it through more stop and go.
Noticed after driving for a few weeks there was a "shutter" when coasting to a stop between first and second gears. More noticeable when slowing to a stop then taking off from one. However, my wife noticed nothing. She's driven it many times with absolutely no notice to what I was referring to. Made me even question whether or not I was feeling something until I had a friend drive it. He noticed it too. Very subtle shutter, but there. So, it was confirmed. I kept driving. Since purchasing, I've had oil changes done, cabin filter replaced, powering steering fluid flushed and replaced, and axle shafts replaced. I had the 120K maintenance performed just last week. That's when the cabin filter was replaced and another oil change done. My mechanic thoroughly looked over everything else that was mentioned in the manual, but felt no action needed to be taken because everything looked "really good". Upon dropping it off, I mention the shutter. So, he took it for a few test drives to see if he could feel it. He didn't. Since the transmission is sealed and he didn't have the tools, he couldn't change the fluid. I then took it to a friend of mine who runs his own car performance shop. He took it for a few test drives while recording engine/transmission data. He didn't feel the shutter either. What he felt and what the data confirmed is between 40-42 mph the torque converter is switching on/off on/off on/off rapidly. He told me that shouldn't happen. From his experience working on Hondas (specifically Odysseys), that's a good sign that the torque convert (and possibly the transmission) will need to be replaced. But, mentioned that it's not serious enough for any dash lights to come on and it could take many, many more miles to trigger it. He suggested that I take it to a Toyota dealership to have the transmission fluid drained and filled, making note of the condition of the fluid. Lastly mentioning that doing that should either make the problem go away or make it considerably worse.
I took it to a dealer two days ago. Along with the transmission fluid, I had them drain and fill the front/rear differential and transfer case fluids. My theory of the tranny fluid never being replaced was confirmed when the tech told me the condition of the fluid was brownish in color, but not burnt. Driving it for the last two days, I don't feel the shutter I did before. But, I do feel (or at least I think I do) something like a shutter around the 40-42 mph mark. Unfortunately, I'm not given the chance to maintain that speed long enough for me to really get a good feel of what might be happening. It could all be in my head now. Could be road conditions maybe coupled with outside temperatures (very, very cold outside)...or all in my head!
My question to all of you is how worried should I be and is it worth taking any action now. My thought is to take it back to my friend to see it the data still shows the problem (maybe worse now). If it's worse, think about having the torque converter replaced. If I'm going to do that, does it make sense to have the transmission replaced also? My friend worried me by saying that if the torque converter needs replacing you should also replace the tranny (expensive!!). But, he's basing that on his Odyssey experiences that bad torque converter also meant bad trannies. Maybe the trannies in 4Runners are much more durable not requiring both to be replaced? Remember, the fluid wasn't burnt, just pretty brown. Plus, the transmission shifts smooth after replacing fluids. I'd say a little smoother than before, but hard to really discern due to the super cold temperatures we're now having.
Or, I could just keep driving until the problem gets to a point were replacing both is my only option. Thoughts??
I just read the earlier posts stating that for higher mileage transmission you shouldn’t replace the fluid if you think it’s never been replaced. I hope I didn't exacerbate the problem. Right now, I’m not prepared to spend that kind of cash. Besides, the replacement of the torque converter, transmission and labor cost associated could be half as much as I paid for the vehicle!
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