TRD PRO Info (please)

[CSix]

Going back to your original post, I totally approve. The Toyota dealers around me are adding $3000 premium and told me people are waiting in line and they will not budge on price. If you can get a price close to the TEP, I say go for it. Toyota in Colorado cannot even see the TRD Pro parts for upgrade on their parts inventory system, something about differences in regions.

 

[cjacob316]

Just a heads up for anyone in the market for a black TRDP. The first used Pro I've seen:

Used 2015 Toyota 4Runner For Sale | Mechanicsburg PA

Someone can probably get a great deal on it with a little negotiation.

WTF? That's insane for a "used" one. I wouldn't pay that with 0 miles on it.

As you can see, some dealers are really taking advantage of the demand on these. The dealers around me wouldn't budge on the price because they knew someone would come along and pay it. Especially the first couple days on the lot. If I were you, I would consider anther option as a back up in case you can't find one for a fair price, or even at all.

 

[kpd1999]

WTF? That's insane for a "used" one. I wouldn't pay that with 0 miles on it.

As you can see, some dealers are really taking advantage of the demand on these. The dealers around me wouldn't budge on the price because they knew someone would come along and pay it. Especially the first couple days on the lot. If I were you, I would consider anther option as a back up in case you can't find one for a fair price, or even at all.

Im not in the market at all, just in case someone else is.

I agree their price is high, but I'm hoping someone could negotiate a much better deal.

 

[cjacob316]

Im not in the market at all, just in case someone else is.

I agree their price is high, but I'm hoping someone could negotiate a much better deal.

my comment about a backup plan was towards the OP

 

[Wizzard]

Truck - SUV - 4Runner - 4Runner (2010-Current) - TRD Pro Package - TRDShop.com

Here, you can buy both... I also see the suspension in Toyotaracing's site...

Wow, $3,094 + $720 for Nitto Grapplers + $106.87 shipping + $80 per hour labor rate. Makes the Pro seem like a worthy deal.

 

[warrenvt]

WTF? That's insane for a "used" one. I wouldn't pay that with 0 miles on it.

As you can see, some dealers are really taking advantage of the demand on these. The dealers around me wouldn't budge on the price because they knew someone would come along and pay it. Especially the first couple days on the lot. If I were you, I would consider anther option as a back up in case you can't find one for a fair price, or even at all.

I didn't pay that new - that would be silly for someone to pay.

 

[drsus]

im not dogging the people that already bought one, you made up your mind to go and do that - thats not my prerogative. my goal is to sway people from buying a TRD Pro that think they're getting something extra when they're paying MSRP or over it. there is nothing about the TRD pro, including the suspension "upgrade" that will show itself with more offroading prowess than a Trail.

im not dogging the people that already bought one, you made up your mind to go and do that - thats not my prerogative. my goal is to sway people from buying a TRD Pro that think they're getting something extra when they're paying MSRP or over it. there is nothing about the TRD pro, including the suspension "upgrade" that will show itself with more offroading prowess than a Trail.

which part this sentence did you intend to be a argument for you "not dogging those that already bought one"? because it just dogged me for buying it even more than before when i read the following sentence...own it man! if you're gonna shit on TRD pro current and perspective buyers, just own it.

it is financially smarter to start withe the SR5... of course it is! the same way its better to buy 50 rolls of toilet paper than 10... but sorry, i don't want 50 ****ing rolls in my house at time, il "eat the savings" and ill be OK with spending the extra on just 10.
Fortunately for me the money difference is basically THAT between these 4runners. the savings are not something that enters the discussion for me. thats why i work my ass off at what i do, so that i can relax about only buying 10 rolls at time....

and i guarantee you that anyone looking to buy a TRD pro is WELL AWARE of how much an SR5 costs,

is it SO HARD to just not say anything when someone else gets something nice for themselves that you don't approve of?

 

[PNTRDPROO]

So today I stopped by the dealer that offered me the TRD PRO for $39,337... They wanted to give me $15,xxx for my 2012 Nissan Rogue with 33k miles and the lease buyout is $20,300...

With the "tax break" they were giving me more like $17k, but that "tax break" doesn't offset my negative equity I don't believe (correct me if I'm wrong)...

So I wasn't happy with that. Nor was I happy with the salesman that told me that after taxes and everything, the OTD price would be $47k... That didn't add up but silly me for not doing my own math... I didn't care to because of the trade appraisal...

So later on I called the internet manager and told her about my lackluster experience with the salesman and she told me to come back in tomorrow and give them another chance and she would make sure I'd be dealing with the sales manager and another salesperson....

I agreed.

If they offer me $16,500 for my Nissan ($17,9xx with "tax break"), that would bring the OTD price after taxes and everything to JUST under $45k... Like $44,949...

What do you think about that price? Should I take the hit on the negative equity?

 

[drsus]

So today I stopped by the dealer that offered me the TRD PRO for $39,337... They wanted to give me $15,xxx for my 2012 Nissan Rogue with 33k miles and the lease buyout is $20,300...

With the "tax break" they were giving me more like $17k, but that "tax break" doesn't offset my negative equity I don't believe (correct me if I'm wrong)...

So I wasn't happy with that. Nor was I happy with the salesman that told me that after taxes and everything, the OTD price would be $47k... That didn't add up but silly me for not doing my own math... I didn't care to because of the trade appraisal...

So later on I called the internet manager and told her about my lackluster experience with the salesman and she told me to come back in tomorrow and give them another chance and she would make sure I'd be dealing with the sales manager and another salesperson....

I agreed.

If they offer me $16,500 for my Nissan ($17,9xx with "tax break"), that would bring the OTD price after taxes and everything to JUST under $45k... Like $44,949...

What do you think about that price? Should I take the hit on the negative equity?

it really depends on how much this hit affects you financially.
$44, 9 out to the door after taxes and fees is basically as if you were buying it msrp. the discount on the msrp is off setting the equity difference enough that your basically coming out even if MSRP price is ok with you, imo.

msrp being 42,180 for the base TRD p base model...no sliding tray, no extras etc. i assume thesis what you're getting. if the truck has any extras then you're getting an even bigger discount than i did.

 

[PNTRDPROO]

it really depends on how much this hit affects you financially.
$44, 9 out to the door after taxes and fees is basically as if you were buying it msrp. the discount on the msrp is off setting the equity difference enough that your basically coming out even if MSRP price is ok with you, imo.

msrp being 42,180 for the base TRD p base model...no sliding tray, no extras etc. i assume thesis what you're getting. if the truck has any extras then you're getting an even bigger discount than i did.

Considering I got quoted $38,xxx for a 2015 Trail Premium with KDSS today too, I'm going to say I'm leaning towards the TRD PRO still because the difference is only $500-$800.

I would be most comfortable with $42k OTD... But with my lease it doesn't seem like any 4Runner with leather will come out that way....

 

[Donkey]

They wanted to give me $15,xxx for my 2012 Nissan Rogue with 33k miles and the lease buyout is $20,300...

What do you think about that price? Should I take the hit on the negative equity?

Getting out of your lease is a great idea, rolling negative equity or financing the loss and 100% of a new vehicle for 60-84 months is a terrible idea. Your financial situation does not matter, neither does a few grand on the vehicle price...this is a lose-lose. The new car smell is going to wear off in a few months but the $750+ monthly note won't.

Sell your YJ in the summer when they are hot, or sell your fleece outright and drive the YJ (while you bank $$$$) in the spring when they are the most fun. 4Runners will always be available for sale.

Don't make a decision based on "stuff-itis" or emotion. Just my .02.

 

[marshal]

which part this sentence did you intend to be a argument for you "not dogging those that already bought one"? because it just dogged me for buying it even more than before when i read the following sentence...own it man! if you're gonna shit on TRD pro current and perspective buyers, just own it.

it is financially smarter to start withe the SR5... of course it is! the same way its better to buy 50 rolls of toilet paper than 10... but sorry, i don't want 50 ****ing rolls in my house at time, il "eat the savings" and ill be OK with spending the extra on just 10.
Fortunately for me the money difference is basically THAT between these 4runners. the savings are not something that enters the discussion for me. thats why i work my ass off at what i do, so that i can relax about only buying 10 rolls at time....

and i guarantee you that anyone looking to buy a TRD pro is WELL AWARE of how much an SR5 costs,

is it SO HARD to just not say anything when someone else gets something nice for themselves that you don't approve of?

not sure why you quoted me twice, other than to emphasize your seething hatred of me

im not going to own something that isn't true. i could care less that you bought the Pro. good for you, i like them - i wish i could have one, its cool. go about your business then. and i never said anything about the SR5, in fact for someone that for all intents and purposes the SR5 is less financially responsible than the Trail or the Pro because of the lack of a rear locker, aggressive ATRAC and other systems at their disposal.

if you can get a Pro for the same price as a trail then by all means go ahead and do it, i'll even high five you and won't say a word. but for the person, like I've said numerous times now - who intends to modify the Pro by replacing the suspension and tires, then all you did was pay more money for a different set of wheels. and if 5-800 bucks i worth that to you then go right ahead. but for the people that are going to go ahead buy a Pro for MSRP or over because its a limited edition and they HAVE TO HAVE IT and then go about modifying it - those people have more money than brains.

simply put, you are not gaining anything noticeable with the pro over a trail. if you don't care about that then be on your way and i'll be on mine.

 

[1engineer]

So today I stopped by the dealer that offered me the TRD PRO for $39,337... They wanted to give me $15,xxx for my 2012 Nissan Rogue with 33k miles and the lease buyout is $20,300...

With the "tax break" they were giving me more like $17k, but that "tax break" doesn't offset my negative equity I don't believe (correct me if I'm wrong)...

So I wasn't happy with that. Nor was I happy with the salesman that told me that after taxes and everything, the OTD price would be $47k... That didn't add up but silly me for not doing my own math... I didn't care to because of the trade appraisal...

So later on I called the internet manager and told her about my lackluster experience with the salesman and she told me to come back in tomorrow and give them another chance and she would make sure I'd be dealing with the sales manager and another salesperson....

I agreed.

If they offer me $16,500 for my Nissan ($17,9xx with "tax break"), that would bring the OTD price after taxes and everything to JUST under $45k... Like $44,949...

What do you think about that price? Should I take the hit on the negative equity?

Look, I'm sure you are a nice guy and everything but most (not all but most) that frequent the forums here are pretty financially savvy. What you are wanting to do just to get a new vehicle is a terrible idea, regardless if it's a 4Runner TRD Pro or a Honda Fit. My advice? Take your lumps. Drive the lease until it runs out and bank all extra income until you can afford a decent down payment on a new one.

I know life is short and we should all enjoy today and live life to it's fullest. With that said you also have to be a wee bit responsible with your finances because if you do what you are proposing then you will REALLY be hurting in a few years.

Bottom line do what you want. You will get no sympathy from most here because we "paid our dues" and drove POS vehicles and gradually worked our way up until we could afford to get what we wanted. We all made mistakes (I leased a vehicle...once) and learned from them. Buying a new vehicle is never a good investment as they depreciate (even the TRD Pro) a lot as soon as you drive off the lot. If you want a new vehicle you had better be able to afford it otherwise you will never get ahead.

Sorry to be so blunt but after reading your posts I think someone needs to give you a reality check. Good luck, do what you want and Merry Christmas!

(I know I sound like a Dad. Well, I am and this is what I would tell my kids if they wanted to do something like this.)

 

[Bevo]

simply put, you are not gaining anything noticeable with the pro over a trail. if you don't care about that then be on your way and i'll be on mine.

You may be on your way out of this thread, but you will pop up again in the next thread that mentions the Pros to tell everyone why they are idiots for buying them.

 

[marshal]

personally i think it would be a better option to run out your lease, or see if you can return it without penalty and roll around in your YJ and save some money. you could try and find yourself a 80 series land cruiser and sit on that for a while and play with it. it wont lose value, and if you find a good one and keep it maintained and put limited miles on it its value will only go up.

wait till some poor dumb sap sells his TRD Pro next year because he spent too much money on it. i bought my '10 trail on craigslist with 45,000 miles on it for $27,000 and it had dozens of extras on it, one owner and all maintenance records.

but of course, thats just my opinion - and I'm dogging on people who bought a Pro at or over MSRP and I'm just a really mean nasty person.

You may be on your way out of this thread, but you will pop up again in the next thread that mentions the Pros to tell everyone why they are idiots for buying them.

*planning on buying them

count on it!

 

[PNTRDPROO]

Look, I'm sure you are a nice guy and everything but most (not all but most) that frequent the forums here are pretty financially savvy. What you are wanting to do just to get a new vehicle is a terrible idea, regardless if it's a 4Runner TRD Pro or a Honda Fit. My advice? Take your lumps. Drive the lease until it runs out and bank all extra income until you can afford a decent down payment on a new one.

I know life is short and we should all enjoy today and live life to it's fullest. With that said you also have to be a wee bit responsible with your finances because if you do what you are proposing then you will REALLY be hurting in a few years.

Bottom line do what you want. You will get no sympathy from most here because we "paid our dues" and drove POS vehicles and gradually worked our way up until we could afford to get what we wanted. We all made mistakes (I leased a vehicle...once) and learned from them. Buying a new vehicle is never a good investment as they depreciate (even the TRD Pro) a lot as soon as you drive off the lot. If you want a new vehicle you had better be able to afford it otherwise you will never get ahead.

Sorry to be so blunt but after reading your posts I think someone needs to give you a reality check. Good luck, do what you want and Merry Christmas!

(I know I sound like a Dad. Well, I am and this is what I would tell my kids if they wanted to do something like this.)

Woah... I dont quite understand what happened there...

I have owned quite a few cars and my first few were beaters. Ive "taken my lumps"...

Also, why are you assuming I cannot afford to put a big down payment on a new vehicle? Im planning on making a $20,000 down payment, so Im not quite sure how you got that impression...

My dilemma is not that I cannot afford the 4Runner, its that I will be paying essentially the equivalent of MSRP for it because the negative equity of my Nissan lease will be rolled in. They are offering me the TRD at invoice price which is a good deal.

Why do you assume finishing out my lease is a good idea? I owe 15 more payments. That means right now I have $4600 negative equity... So if I finish out my lease, ill be paying $4600, and THEN putting a down payment of $20,000 down on a new 4Runner... So you can essentially add that $4600 to the top of the new 4Runner all the same...

So there is really no difference between finishing out my lease and paying off my negative equity, or adding the negative equity to the top of a new vehicle and paying it off that way... Especially if Toyota gives me enough for my trade that it cuts down some of that negative equity to $3500 or so... Then Im $1100 bucks ahead....

At least that is how I see it. I appreciate your financial advice (no sarcasm here, I really do), but I just wanted to show that I have been thinking it out, at least somewhat.

Regards

 

[mattleegee]

Woah... I dont quite understand what happened there...

I have owned quite a few cars and my first few were beaters. Ive "taken my lumps"...

Also, why are you assuming I cannot afford to put a big down payment on a new vehicle? Im planning on making a $20,000 down payment, so Im not quite sure how you got that impression...

My dilemma is not that I cannot afford the 4Runner, its that I will be paying essentially the equivalent of MSRP for it because the negative equity of my Nissan lease will be rolled in. They are offering me the TRD at invoice price which is a good deal.

Why do you assume finishing out my lease is a good idea? I owe 15 more payments. That means right now I have $4600 negative equity... So if I finish out my lease, ill be paying $4600, and THEN putting a down payment of $20,000 down on a new 4Runner... So you can essentially add that $4600 to the top of the new 4Runner all the same...

So there is really no difference between finishing out my lease and paying off my negative equity, or adding the negative equity to the top of a new vehicle and paying it off that way... Especially if Toyota gives me enough for my trade that it cuts down some of that negative equity to $3500 or so... Then Im $1100 bucks ahead....

At least that is how I see it. I appreciate your financial advice (no sarcasm here, I really do), but I just wanted to show that I have been thinking it out, at least somewhat.

Regards

From what you stated before it sounded like you had next to nothing down and still driving a lease, 1engineer was just giving you a honest opinion that you should finish off your lease and save a down payment.

BTW If you had $20k to put down why are you leasing a Rouge?

I would suggest instead of blaming the dealer for your lower trade in appraisal think of it as a profit over buying yourself out of your current lease, as you get the "tax bonus"

So start your numbers over, and here is what it should look like:

"" Hey guys i got this crappy Nissan and stuck in a absolute mess of a lease and still have over a year left on payments, and instead of giving it back or buying out the lease i have decided to get a TRDP and have Toyota give me the "tax bonus" on trade in.

Its not that i cannot afford the Nissan, i have $20k that i am currently not investing in anything else so i want to dump it on the TRDP.

The dealer said it would be $45k OTD which is awesome because i get out of my crappy lease and then i will put down $20k which brings my payments down to $550/month for 5 years. ""


layball:

 

[1engineer]

Hey. This is my first post on this site... However I have been a member of quite a few other forums over the years...

Here is my story... My current DD is a 2012 Nissan Rogue SL AWD. I love it and this is my first SUV (CUV), having come from a line of sedans prior....

However, having driven it the past few years, I realized I wanted something a little more rugged... So 6 months ago I bought a 92 Jeep Wrangler as a toy... Big mistake lol... I've spent a couple thousand on it to fix it up and it is still a 23 year old Jeep and I don't want to spend anymore on it... I want to sell it and cut my losses...

Fast forward to where I am now.... I have been considering selling the 92 Wrangler, and when my lease is up on my 2012 Nissan, getting a 2015 Wrangler 4 door....

But for the money, you're not getting much "car" for the money. Meaning its mostly a statement on wheels to me...

I live in NYC and don't do much offroading at all... Maybe a beach or two... But I still want a rugged vehicle... So I have been doing a little research on the 2015 4Runner TRD Pro, and I have decided that I want one. I think it will be a much more practical replacement for my DD....

I plan on getting it in about 6-8 months... That being said, I do have a few questions....

1)How hard are they to come by? I know they are just about coming out now, but I was curious how easy they will be to find at local dealers soon, or if they need to be ordered and I'll have to wait for mine....

2)For the people who have bought/leased them already, how much did you pay?

3)Will I be able to get a good deal (under invoice)? Or because its a limited production model, will they bleed me for every penny?

I am excited to join this site and learn from you all.... Thanks

Yeah, the one that quoted me $39k literally just blurted it out 30 seconds into the convo. Easy as pie.

The only thing now is to see if I can get a dealer to buy my Nissan for what I still owe on the lease which is essentially $2.5k over KBB trade-in value... Because if they dont, whatever negative equity Im left with will bring the 4runner's price back up to almost $42k (or more) before taxes. Not that great unless they help me out and make my lease a wash.

So today I stopped by the dealer that offered me the TRD PRO for $39,337... They wanted to give me $15,xxx for my 2012 Nissan Rogue with 33k miles and the lease buyout is $20,300...

With the "tax break" they were giving me more like $17k, but that "tax break" doesn't offset my negative equity I don't believe (correct me if I'm wrong)...

So I wasn't happy with that. Nor was I happy with the salesman that told me that after taxes and everything, the OTD price would be $47k... That didn't add up but silly me for not doing my own math... I didn't care to because of the trade appraisal...

So later on I called the internet manager and told her about my lackluster experience with the salesman and she told me to come back in tomorrow and give them another chance and she would make sure I'd be dealing with the sales manager and another salesperson....

I agreed.

If they offer me $16,500 for my Nissan ($17,9xx with "tax break"), that would bring the OTD price after taxes and everything to JUST under $45k... Like $44,949...

What do you think about that price? Should I take the hit on the negative equity?

Considering I got quoted $38,xxx for a 2015 Trail Premium with KDSS today too, I'm going to say I'm leaning towards the TRD PRO still because the difference is only $500-$800.

I would be most comfortable with $42k OTD... But with my lease it doesn't seem like any 4Runner with leather will come out that way....

Woah... I dont quite understand what happened there...

I have owned quite a few cars and my first few were beaters. Ive "taken my lumps"...

Also, why are you assuming I cannot afford to put a big down payment on a new vehicle? Im planning on making a $20,000 down payment, so Im not quite sure how you got that impression...

My dilemma is not that I cannot afford the 4Runner, its that I will be paying essentially the equivalent of MSRP for it because the negative equity of my Nissan lease will be rolled in. They are offering me the TRD at invoice price which is a good deal.

Why do you assume finishing out my lease is a good idea? I owe 15 more payments. That means right now I have $4600 negative equity... So if I finish out my lease, ill be paying $4600, and THEN putting a down payment of $20,000 down on a new 4Runner... So you can essentially add that $4600 to the top of the new 4Runner all the same...

So there is really no difference between finishing out my lease and paying off my negative equity, or adding the negative equity to the top of a new vehicle and paying it off that way... Especially if Toyota gives me enough for my trade that it cuts down some of that negative equity to $3500 or so... Then Im $1100 bucks ahead....

At least that is how I see it. I appreciate your financial advice (no sarcasm here, I really do), but I just wanted to show that I have been thinking it out, at least somewhat.

Regards

I must have missed the $20K down payment. Where is it?

 

[PNTRDPROO]

*Edit*

NVM... It doesnt make sense bickering


Drsus already answered my question

 

[mace.]

With regard to the negative equity, you are the only one that can decide what kind of hit you are willing / able to take. Your best bet is to just compare what others are paying to what you are paying for the 4Runner only. Not sure why you're so fixated on the price being MSRP with the negative equity. You're not paying MSRP !!!