Tundra 5100s vs 4Runner 5100s (Sorry, yes another thread)

[kolelt]

My apologies then. For the longest we didn't have Bilstein make one.

But 5100 for 3rd gen vs 4th gen might be difference. As in 4th gen might be longer shock thus better for long coil. (REAR)

 

[Scramble]

I just saw in you sig that you have the 7.2 with 8 wraps. If you got them from SS then I think you may have the FJ /4th gen rear bilsteins (BIL 33-187174).

You were right, I always assumed they were Tundra Billys.

 

[Scramble]

SS uses BIL 33-187174 (FJ/4th gen rear) as option with his 890 lift kit. When I was in the process of buying my lift kit from Toytec, they said their bilstein long travel (BIL 33-187174) would be fine with the 890s but they had a disclaimer on their site stating it was best to use it with their superflex coils. I haven't seen those shocks offered on their site the last time I checked. My friend has my old 890s paired the toytecs long travel blisteins and hasn't had any issues since they were installed about 2 years ago. I checked Wheeler's and the Tundra rear bilstein compressed and extended shock length seemed a little shorter than the FJs if the length was a concern.

Wheelers has 2 sets of 3rd gen 5100's - One for 0-2" of lift & measure 12.91″ coll. X 20.79″ ext. (no model #)
And another set (same dims as Tundras) for 1-3" of lift & measure 13.84″ coll. x 22.44″ ext. (no model #)

Under 4th gen (same as FJ) they have the 33-187174 These measure 14.91″ coll. x 23.5″ ext.

The top stems on my SS FJ's are bent. I assume that's from wheelin' with 8 wraps. I had Tundras (24-100144) delivered to my house today from Amazon $73ea with Energy Sp bushings for $4. Even though my current FJ shocks should work, they obviously dont. Another difference in the 2 shocks are that the FJ/4th Gens collapse & expand from the bottom & The Tundra's do it from the top. Maybe the poly bushings will help over the metal sleeve bushings & not bend the shock. I know it doesnt make sense for me to go to a slightly shorter shock but many people have run the Tundras with 8 wraps over the years & never had a problem. We'll see how they do.

 

[fourfive]

The top stems on my SS FJ's are bent. I assume that's from wheelin' with 8 wraps. I had Tundras (24-100144) delivered to my house today from Amazon $73ea with Energy Sp bushings for $4. Even though my current FJ shocks should work, they obviously dont. Another difference in the 2 shocks are that the FJ/4th Gens collapse & expand from the bottom & The Tundra's do it from the top. Maybe the poly bushings will help over the metal sleeve bushings & not bend the shock. I know it doesnt make sense for me to go to a slightly shorter shock but many people have run the Tundras with 8 wraps over the years & never had a problem. We'll see how they do.

Curious how that happened? I'm assuming it wasn't from colliding with the body since the top stem is housed in that bowl thing. Maybe the top nut was too loose or tight? Have you talked with SS to see if anything like that has ever been previously reported to prevent it from happening again?

Let me know how the Tundra bilsteins ride compared to the Bil 33-187174.

 

[Scramble]

Curious how that happened? I'm assuming it wasn't from colliding with the body since the top stem is housed in that bowl thing. Maybe the top nut was too loose or tight? Have you talked with SS to see if anything like that has ever been previously reported to prevent it from happening again?

Let me know how the Tundra bilsteins ride compared to the Bil 33-187174.

I'm not sure, it didn't seem too tight when I put them on. Everything looked fine when I removed them. (not too tight or loose) I'm thinking my adj panhard bar isn't correct. It rides fine & only jolts left or right on sharp bumps?

 

[96RedRunner]

I'm not sure, it didn't seem too tight when I put them on. Everything looked fine when I removed them. (not too tight or loose) I'm thinking my adj panhard bar isn't correct. It rides fine & only jolts left or right on sharp bumps?

I can see it happening from PHB on the trail. That butt scoot you feel on hwy seams gets amplified when your stuffing a tire and flexing the other. The panhard arc travel gets all out of whack with adj bar in factory location. I've bent many SB end links from side to side flex. The rubber shock mounts only compress so far and it's like metal against metal. When you look at all the arc travels of a 4 link with PHB. Altering one has it's side affects.

 

[96RedRunner]

Been running SS1.2 v.2009 for -+ 100k miles TRD Tundra springs/Billy Tundra 5 perch Struts set on 2nd, till last week 3rd now, FZJ-80 8 wraps, Billy 5100 LC shocks, had Runner tore down checked Shock/strut compression rebound quality, very good! Past and current ride quaity is what you want any milage, it has been from day one.

I would use the same thing again, money well spent!!

Source for best price
Forget Adj PHB, get EimKeith PCK use oem bar
Front dif, drop simple to fab your own
Then ride for a 100K just my experience tho.

The Billy part numbers have been superceded but the same spec'd shocks/struts can be purchased.
Yota springs same part number.

 

[96RedRunner]

Buy it through Sonoran Steel and you won't have any problem with the warranty.

Didn't need a warranty in -+ 100k mi, not sure extra price worth it!

 

[maclean216]

Didn't need a warranty in -+ 100k mi, not sure extra price worth it!

I've broke three!!!! LOL

 

[Run4Runnerr]

So if I'm wanting to lift my 99 3 in's with bilstein shocks front and rear. Which do I get??

 

[JRZEE2000TR4LTD]

So if I'm wanting to lift my 99 3 in's with bilstein shocks front and rear. Which do I get??

The 5100 tundra shocks. The 3" lift depends on your spring. Search and you'll find TONS of info and other possibilities as well but I have no problem with my tundra shocks with my 890/ TRD tundra spings

 

[JRZEE2000TR4LTD]

I'm not sure, it didn't seem too tight when I put them on. Everything looked fine when I removed them. (not too tight or loose) I'm thinking my adj panhard bar isn't correct. It rides fine & only jolts left or right on sharp bumps?

I too used the adjustable panhard. While it did center my rear axle, it never cured the rear "jolt" I would get hitting certain bumps, which sometimes was a little frightening. Eimkeith's bracket kit fixed that problem and I was able to use a stock panhard.

 

[Scramble]

I too used the adjustable panhard. While it did center my rear axle, it never cured the rear "jolt" I would get hitting certain bumps, which sometimes was a little frightening. Eimkeith's bracket kit fixed that problem and I was able to use a stock panhard.

Cool. I have his brackets, just waiting for a friend to weld them on for me.

 

[Devbot]

Is there any difference in ride quality between the Tundra rears (24-100144) and the LC/4th Gen rears (33-187174), or generally any advantages of one over the other? I'm curious if they're noticeably stiffer or not, and trying to figure what to go with for +3in.
I asked SS and all they could tell me is they chose the rear LC shocks for "better articulation with similar valving" and I'm wondering how true this is. Makes sense as they all weigh roughly the same (not that close but just about within the 500lb range.) Just seems kinda weird to run 2 different sets of shocks.
Sorry for reviving an old thread, but it seemed like a better idea than making yet another

 

[JohnOfTheJungle]

I have tundra 5100 rears in mine and they’re way too soft, especially now that I have a rear bumper with swingout & 33” spare tire on it.

Even before that though I got a ton of bounce on the trails, don’t recommend


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[Devbot]

I have tundra 5100 rears in mine and they’re way too soft, especially now that I have a rear bumper with swingout & 33” spare tire on it.

Even before that though I got a ton of bounce on the trails, don’t recommend


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Thank you, that's very helpful and the exact reason I was contemplating the LC/4th gen shocks (also plan to get a swingout bumper, myself). What coils do you run? I'm thinking 891s

 

[JohnOfTheJungle]

Thank you, that's very helpful and the exact reason I was contemplating the LC/4th gen shocks (also plan to get a swingout bumper, myself). What coils do you run? I'm thinking 891s

I have 891’s along with Firestone airbags. I have a pair of black Tokico LC shocks that just came in a few days ago that I’m ready to swap in.

Also considering going to 861’s because even with the airbags at 20 psi I was still getting some sag when loaded with camping gear & bicycles on the 891’s

I do wanna try the LC shock + 891 combo first though to see how it rides before I switch to 861




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[Devbot]

I have 891’s along with Firestone airbags. I have a pair of black Tokico LC shocks that just came in a few days ago that I’m ready to swap in.

Also considering going to 861’s because even with the airbags at 20 psi I was still getting some sag when loaded with camping gear & bicycles on the 891’s

I do wanna try the LC shock + 891 combo first though to see how it rides before I switch to 861


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Do report back, would love to hear how they feel, especially with LT/E rated tires. Really trying to be cautious as to not inadvertently make my car stiff as a board

 

[JohnOfTheJungle]

Put them on today - first of all F**K Toyota engineers for making the shock mounts so goddamn hard to get to. 2nd - F**K bilstein for making the 5100 without a body on the upper portion so there’s no way to grip it.

Anyway - I only got to drive it for 2 miles, but I can already tell they do WAY better at keeping the rear suspension under control. Will report back as far as overall ride quality goes.


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[Devbot]

Sounding good.
Suppose now would be a good time to ask, you notice any sagging with the 891s? I totally forgot that used to be a common complaint and wouldn't mind hearing someone's take on it that will have a very similar set up to mine (thankfully havent pulled the trigger yet, trying to recoup everything after putting it off for a month)