Under Power Concern

[kiloil]

I know the vehicle is meant for certain things, and I do enjoy the vehicle. Don't get me wrong, I know how to plant my foot on the radiator cap but waiting on break in to be finished.

Here are the items I don't like:

1) Horrible interior lighting at night when first unlocking vehicle
2) No memory seating
3) Each key should be programmed to fit the drivers specifications of seats, etc.
4) Don't like not being able to use Navi while driving (understand there is a fix to this)
5) No automatic folding mirrors when in tight places. Trust me this is a great feature
6) Power issue
7) Leather bolsters seem to be not rigid enough and already wrinkling

Items I do like:
1) Presentation of the interior
2) Its a 4Runner and I have fond memories of 4Runners
3) Looks like plenty of room to work on engine (future needs)
4) The ease of dropping off the vehicle at a Toyota Dealership and without worrying if they understand the vehicle. With my M3, there were always concerns the technician didn't understand the car. It also took days to fix minor concerns, because of the electronics on board and lack of a quality BMW technican.
5) It has 5k lbs of towing capability
6) Its a great daily driver
7) No need for wife to worry about hitting a curb.

 

[1engineer]

I know the vehicle is meant for certain things, and I do enjoy the vehicle. Don't get me wrong, I know how to plant my foot on the radiator cap but waiting on break in to be finished.

Here are the items I don't like:

1) Horrible interior lighting at night when first unlocking vehicle
2) No memory seating
3) Each key should be programmed to fit the drivers specifications of seats, etc.
4) Don't like not being able to use Navi while driving (understand there is a fix to this)
5) No automatic folding mirrors when in tight places. Trust me this is a great feature
6) Power issue
7) Leather bolsters seem to be not rigid enough and already wrinkling

Items I do like:
1) Presentation of the interior
2) Its a 4Runner and I have fond memories of 4Runners
3) Looks like plenty of room to work on engine (future needs)
4) The ease of dropping off the vehicle at a Toyota Dealership and without worrying if they understand the vehicle. With my M3, there were always concerns the technician didn't understand the car. It also took days to fix minor concerns, because of the electronics on board and lack of a quality BMW technican.
5) It has 5k lbs of towing capability
6) Its a great daily driver
7) No need for wife to worry about hitting a curb.

Did you not find these things when you test drove it??? You bought a vehicle based on memories? The sophistication of BMW vs. Toyota engineering is not a valid concern. Robustness of design is why BMW suffers vs. Toyota. There have been numerous times charts have been posted here comparing 0-60 times vs. other vehicles. The 4Runner is suprisingly fast. Quentin?

 

[CWS20124RUNR]

I know the vehicle is meant for certain things, and I do enjoy the vehicle. Don't get me wrong, I know how to plant my foot on the radiator cap but waiting on break in to be finished.

Here are the items I don't like:

1) Horrible interior lighting at night when first unlocking vehicle
2) No memory seating
3) Each key should be programmed to fit the drivers specifications of seats, etc.
4) Don't like not being able to use Navi while driving (understand there is a fix to this)
5) No automatic folding mirrors when in tight places. Trust me this is a great feature
6) Power issue
7) Leather bolsters seem to be not rigid enough and already wrinkling

Items I do like:
1) Presentation of the interior
2) Its a 4Runner and I have fond memories of 4Runners
3) Looks like plenty of room to work on engine (future needs)
4) The ease of dropping off the vehicle at a Toyota Dealership and without worrying if they understand the vehicle. With my M3, there were always concerns the technician didn't understand the car. It also took days to fix minor concerns, because of the electronics on board and lack of a quality BMW technican.
5) It has 5k lbs of towing capability
6) Its a great daily driver
7) No need for wife to worry about hitting a curb.

I drove the 2012 Lexus GX460.
You could have solved most of your issues for the $20K+ more for the Lexus.
I have a 2007 4Runner Sport V8. I like the 4.7 very much. I found the new Lexus slower than the 2007. In the end couldn't justify the $$$ for the Lexus for the V8 over the V6 in the 4Runner. 95% of the time the power is adequate, and the 5% it isn't can be minimized by the driver.
I'm driving the car so memory seats aren't a deal breaker.
The voice activated Navi solves the driving problem.
The Mirrors fold if hit or can be folded manually, again not a deal breaker.
The bolsters could be firmer but its a SUV....

 

[MarkWalker]

Came from a GX470

As I have posted earlier, I came into the 2011 LE from having just owned a 2005 GX 470 w/ KDSS, and while the GX felt like it had a little more get-up, looking at the 0-60 times, it is 7.7 for the GX and 7.2 for the 4Runner. Hum...

I sure like the mileage of the 4Runner better.

I also fine the lack of a memory seat on a 45k vehicle annoying, but it certainly was not a deal breaker. I prefer the upright opening tailgate, and the powered rear window immensely over the GX, so there are pluses and minuses.

 

[bigslimdog]

I know the vehicle is meant for certain things, and I do enjoy the vehicle. Don't get me wrong, I know how to plant my foot on the radiator cap but waiting on break in to be finished.

Here are the items I don't like:

1) Horrible interior lighting at night when first unlocking vehicle
2) No memory seating
3) Each key should be programmed to fit the drivers specifications of seats, etc.
4) Don't like not being able to use Navi while driving (understand there is a fix to this)
5) No automatic folding mirrors when in tight places. Trust me this is a great feature
6) Power issue
7) Leather bolsters seem to be not rigid enough and already wrinkling

Items I do like:
1) Presentation of the interior
2) Its a 4Runner and I have fond memories of 4Runners
3) Looks like plenty of room to work on engine (future needs)
4) The ease of dropping off the vehicle at a Toyota Dealership and without worrying if they understand the vehicle. With my M3, there were always concerns the technician didn't understand the car. It also took days to fix minor concerns, because of the electronics on board and lack of a quality BMW technican.
5) It has 5k lbs of towing capability
6) Its a great daily driver
7) No need for wife to worry about hitting a curb.

Not having memory seating is probably my only complaint about my T4R. My wife and I split driving the T4R about 50% of the time (my daily driver is a Prius) and she is a lot shorter than I am. It gets old having to manually adjust the seat to my setting, even with power seats.

The power isn't a concern for me, if you want a sports car, buy one. Not a T4R.

 

[Quentin]

Did you not find these things when you test drove it??? You bought a vehicle based on memories? The sophistication of BMW vs. Toyota engineering is not a valid concern. Robustness of design is why BMW suffers vs. Toyota. There have been numerous times charts have been posted here comparing 0-60 times vs. other vehicles. The 4Runner is suprisingly fast. Quentin?

I keep telling myself that I'm not going to post that screenshot again. :ybrick: haha

 

[NHinAK]

Sweet, this is turning into a "what I hate about the T4R" thread.

I hate that I have to put gas in it. Stupid Toyota....:crybaby:

 

[SigSense]

I hate that I have to put gas in it. Stupid Toyota....:crybaby:

I heard that there will will be a hybrid T4R for 2013:ybrick:

 

[NHinAK]

I heard that there will will be a hybrid T4R for 2013:ybrick:

Yuck...

 

[tjnaples]

Yuck...

Agreed, plus coal powers electric vehicles.

 

[03_4x4Runner]

I keep telling myself that I'm not going to post that screenshot again. :ybrick: haha

This chart is fine but you have to rev the crap out of the 4.0 to get this performance. An suv should have a lot of torque at low rpms, toyota has to rev the crap out of the engine to make big horsepower because that is what the customers see in the brochures not how responsive it feels at normal speeds. I know toyota can do better with the 4runner, my 03 V8 is strong right off idle and my 2011 Avalon 3.5 can smoke the tires easily with the traction controll off and sounds smooth the whole time.

 

[libido]

Just like they say in the vegetable juice commercials, you could have had a V8. If you wanted to get power, you have many choices with V8s that would have achieved that.

 

[kiloil]

Sweet, this is turning into a "what I hate about the T4R" thread.

I hate that I have to put gas in it. Stupid Toyota....:crybaby:

I never said that I hate T4R, I just wish there was a little more thought the performance catagory. It's not going to make me give it up. I can also care less with gas mileage, and frankly never viewed a car by gas mileage. My previous vehicles would achieve 12MPG around town, and 17MPG on the highway. On the track I was lucky to get 6MPG.

Even thought the new T4R performance is less than stellar, I still have my 3rd generation to remind me this vehicle isn't that bad.

 

[GDSlone]

I recently acquired a 2012 LE and I not happy with the performance of the vehicle, more so the lack of power between 2k and 4k. Is it me or is this Runner underpowered? Don't get me wrong there are some great attributes the vehicle brings, but HP and torque are not there.

I have been reading about S/C, but appears that no one has come out with one for the vehicle just of yet. Please correct me if I am wrong.

Man some of of you act like he called your mother a whore with this message. The guy just wants a little more HP.

By the Way, pushing the throttle to the floor ...wow, great advice.

That is about as bad as the guy that says "maybe you should wear you seat belt because it's safe" to the question on how to turn off that horribly annoying chime.

Oh yes, i also want some more HP, and yes i test drove the car. Does that mean we are not able to improve it? Anybody get pissy when i added a front locker to my FJ?

 

[phillyd2]

Torque at lower rpm not total HP is the issue. Coming from a 4th Gen V8 my adjustment took longer but it happened. Still need to either punch it or sport shift on some hills around here but there is no question that it got much much much better. Hang in there OP.

 

[1engineer]

Man some of of you act like he called your mother a whore with this message. The guy just wants a little more HP.

By the Way, pushing the throttle to the floor ...wow, great advice.

That is about as bad as the guy that says "maybe you should wear you seat belt because it's safe" to the question on how to turn off that horribly annoying chime.

Oh yes, i also want some more HP, and yes i test drove the car. Does that mean we are not able to improve it? Anybody get pissy when i added a front locker to my FJ?

What blows my mind is that people like you bought the vehicle when you obviously were not happy with it after the test drive. Sell it, go to AEV and get the Jeep JK8 with the Hemi option. Simple. You go fast, you break down, you fix it, you go fast, you break down, etc. What some of you do not understand is that in order to get the best of some worlds (reliability, gas milage) you must compromise in other areas. It astounds me why you get something you are not satisified with.

 

[phillyd2]

These are the days I really miss SeattleMike........

 

[My 4R]

I recently acquired a 2012 LE and I not happy with the performance of the vehicle, more so the lack of power between 2k and 4k. Is it me or is this Runner underpowered?


Its a V6, I don't think its underpowered for its intended purpose. Its not meant to be a tow hog. For a body on frame, shaped like a brick and decent size, it gets excellent fuel mileage with decent power while towing moderate weights. Coming from a diesel truck, I miss the torque as well, but always a trade off.

 

[StarGazer]

As most people here have already said, Toyota has set the throttle for MPG over performance and I'm thankful for that. I'm guessing that the brake pedal is a little "squishy" for the same reason. If you have a sensitive brake pedal then you're more likely to slow your momentum unintentionally (thus hurting MPG). So softening it like it is on the Runner might prevent that. The 05+ Xterra is the opposite - overly sensitive throttle and brakes (compared to the Runner at least). There were many times when I would accidentally accelerate or brake too hard in my old Xterra. Doesn't happen in the Runner.

And according to the screenshot by Quentin, neither of these attributes prevents the Runner from out-accelerating and out-braking their competitors.

 

[Antman]

Man some of of you act like he called your mother a whore with this message. The guy just wants a little more HP.

By the Way, pushing the throttle to the floor ...wow, great advice.

That is about as bad as the guy that says "maybe you should wear you seat belt because it's safe" to the question on how to turn off that horribly annoying chime.

Oh yes, i also want some more HP, and yes i test drove the car. Does that mean we are not able to improve it? Anybody get pissy when i added a front locker to my FJ?

Nice first post. :toilet3:

If you plan on turning discussions into arguments on this Forum please go elsewhere. Most of us enjoy this site because the members are mature, sincere, and genuinely helpful. None of these attributes have been demonstrated in your first post. Save the sarcasm for somewhere else where it may actually be appreciated. Welcome to T4R.