V6 vs V8... who's faster/quicker ?

[pipspeak]

The V6 is punchy but shows its weakness (relatively speaking) when going up a long freeway incline with several passengers in the car. Downshifting is always necessary, unless you like being passed by Honda civics by the time you reach the top of the hill. The V8 barely notices the incline or the passengers.

IMO it'll be hard to tell the difference on a flat road with just a driver. Add more weight, more headwind, or an incline and the added V8 torque becomes evident.

 

[AlphaQup]

Some of you have valid points. I think once TRD comes out with a SC for the V6 (if ever), the V6 would definitely outperform the V8 in alot of areas. Cornering, acceleration, and even towing would be greatly improved over the V8 simlpy due to the power to weight ratio. :biggrin2:

 

[TeCKis300]

Some of you have valid points. I think once TRD comes out with a SC for the V6 (if ever), the V6 would definitely outperform the V8 in alot of areas. Cornering, acceleration, and even towing would be greatly improved over the V8 simlpy due to the power to weight ratio. :biggrin2:

If and when it does become available, I sure hope it would be better because you've paid more than even the v8 option.

 

[TeCKis300]

I don't know if the hard numbers have been posted yet so here they are under the revised hp ratings:


4.0-liter DOHC 24-valve EFI VVT-i V6
236 hp @ 5200 rpm/266 lb.-ft. @ 4000 rpm
V6 models 4045lb / 4300lb

4.7-liter DOHC 32-valve EFI VVT-i V8
260 hp @ 5400 rpm/306 lb.-ft. @ 3400 rpm
V8 models 4255 / 4505

The V8 has 10-15% more peak power for 4.5% more weight. Or another way to look at it is that the V6 has 18.2lb / hp and the V8 has 17.3lb / hp.

But it's not as simple as these numbers suggest as no one drives at only the peak hp/tq rpm. Engines have a powerband and this is where the V8 shines. For everyday motoring in the low rpm ranges, the V8 is much more laid back with instantaneous power available without needing to shift to get into the powerband.

 

[mole177]

don't get a 4 runner if you're interested in fast.

however, the 4runner is no slow poke on the uphill...

all in all, it's up to the buyer and their pref.

 

[007Runner]

don't get a 4 runner if you're interested in fast.

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0-60 in 7.2 sec for the V8 engine. Fast is one of the reasons I am getting the V8. I will be able to blow away most cars on the road. Especially going up hill. I will merge with confidence on the highway because I can easily overtake vehicles traveling at 65 mph. The power and speed this vehicle has on tap, makes it fun to drive and increases safety because you have the power to move out of the way fast.

 

[AlphaQup]

Engines have a powerband and this is where the V8 shines. For everyday motoring in the low rpm ranges, the V8 is much more laid back with instantaneous power available without needing to shift to get into the powerband.

Laid back is exactly what the V8 is then. I like to open up the throttle and hear the V6 switch to VVT-i as the motor shines towards redline, doing what it was designed to do. This motor is made exactly for high revs, so who whouldn't downshift when you need to, or as some may say: power on tap. I'm sure one day a V8 will pull up next to me and I'll smoke him to prove myself, but untill that day, I'll just kickback and enjoy my awesome fuel economy (for an SUV that is) .:beer: :biggrin2:

 

[Jeff Kleb]

I never drove a 4Runner with the V8, so I don't have any way of comparing the two......but my 2005 SR5 with the V6 has more than enough power for the driving I do. Whether I am merging onto a freeway such as I-95 and need to get up to 70 mph quickly or I need a burst of speed when a light turns yellow, the DOHC V6 does just fine.

I am a "gearhead" from back in the day and like V8 power as much as anyone, but did not find it necessary for my 4Runner. I also think it eats plenty of gas as it is -- and the V8 would be slightly thirstier. Besides, I like the idea of only using 4x4 when I need it; rather than having it on all the time as the V8 does.

My V6 does well on hills at high speeds, although it will "gear hunt" sometimes and shift in and out of overdrive when slightly straining against gravity. Now that can be annoying and usually results in me bumping the shifter down into "4" until I reach the top of the hill.

I-70 in Western MD and parts of the PA Turnpike are roads that always cause this with my 4Runner, but I only travel them once or twice a year. There is also a very high bridge that I cross on my way to work, and it can lead to "gear hunting" if you are going less than 75 mph on the incline. I suspect that a 4Runner with the V8 option would be able to hold the higher gear the whole way across. Oh, and the "V8" emblem on the grill does look pretty cool.
:bigok:

My synopsis is that if you are looking for a "street fighter" or want to drag-race every other car on the road, then don't buy a 4Runner at all. If you like the 4Runner for what it is, then get the standard V6 and enjoy it; as you will not be disappointed in the plentiful power. Should you be one who tows often, has five kids and climbs a lot of hills, then pony up the ducats for the V8 engine option.

Either way, you will not be sad. After all, it is a 4Runner!! I am quite satisfied with my V6, and you would be too. Then again, those who have the V8 say it was worth it - so well all win in my book.

:awais:

 

[AlphaQup]

My synopsis is that if you are looking for a "street fighter" or want to drag-race every other car on the road, then don't buy a 4Runner at all. If you like the 4Runner for what it is, then get the standard V6 and enjoy it; as you will not be disappointed in the plentiful power. Should you be one who tows often, has five kids and climbs a lot of hills, then pony up the ducats for the V8 engine option.

I've had my "street fighter" days long gone bro . That's why I now own a 4R. Who say's you can't own a family car that's got a sporty feel to it. Like yourself, I think the V6 has more than enough power for what it is. I don't tow, don't have 5 kids, but I do climb a few hills every now and then with ease.

Like I said, this argument has probably been covered in the past, but I do think that being the lighter (more agile) trim, we've got our advantages over the V8 as well.
-Braking/stopping distance should be decreased
-Handling: a light car will always out perform a heavier car in this catagory
-Aluminum block engine with newer technology to bring you more HP with less displacement.



:bigok:

 

[jpalaska]

Great taste? Or less filling?

JP

 

[Falls]

Laid back is exactly what the V8 is then. I like to open up the throttle and hear the V6 switch to VVT-i as the motor shines towards redline, doing what it was designed to do. This motor is made exactly for high revs, so who whouldn't downshift when you need to, or as some may say: power on tap. I'm sure one day a V8 will pull up next to me and I'll smoke him to prove myself, but untill that day, I'll just kickback and enjoy my awesome fuel economy (for an SUV that is) .:beer: :biggrin2:

lol... keep wishing j/k

No substitute for cubic inches.

If you think this is a family car then why did'nt you actually buy a car to trick out. A vehicle like this built off a truck platform and if you think you'll be smokin everyone you have another guess coming you will still get your ass handed to you from time to time. I like the smooth torque and hp band of my V8 and it does me well. Since this is much more truck than car my main goal was to have it look and have the torque of a truck and I use it for what it was designed for.

The V6 is a great motor and I really like them , I would not have any problem owning one . Good luck on your quest for a rocket racer 4R . Better have plenty of cash to dump into it that you'll never get back out of it, but from your comments I assume you have plenty of cash for that and it will be well worth it to beat a V8. So spend as much money on it as you can.

As far as your gas milage statement , you will get worse milage , probly much worse !!! With all that huge huge gobs of V8 eating power you be on the go pedal constantly feeling that addicting power band pull.

 

[007Runner]

lol... keep wishing j/k

No substitute for cubic inches.

If the V8 did not cost more money then the V6, threads comparing the two engines would not exist. The bigger hammer always wins.

 

[jpalaska]

"no substitute for cubic inches"
"the bigger hammer always wins"

Geeze, 007, you mean my girlfriend's been lying to me all along?

JP

 

[AlphaQup]

If you think this is a family car then why did'nt you actually buy a car to trick out. A vehicle like this built off a truck platform and if you think you'll be smokin everyone you have another guess coming you will still get your ass handed to you from time to time. I like the smooth torque and hp band of my V8 and it does me well. Since this is much more truck than car my main goal was to have it look and have the torque of a truck and I use it for what it was designed for.

The V6 is a great motor and I really like them , I would not have any problem owning one . Good luck on your quest for a rocket racer 4R . Better have plenty of cash to dump into it that you'll never get back out of it, but from your comments I assume you have plenty of cash for that and it will be well worth it to beat a V8. So spend as much money on it as you can.

As far as your gas milage statement , you will get worse milage , probly much worse !!! With all that huge huge gobs of V8 eating power you be on the go pedal constantly feeling that addicting power band pull.

Falls,

Don't get me wrong man. I did buy the 4R for its designated features. I myself love going camping, fishing, and just being outdoors period. I am not your teenage son or your neighbor hood rice rocketeer. I've built a few fast cars in the past and I'm done with them ever since my son came in the picture. I am well aware of how slow a 4K lb SUV would be compared to a sport compact car. I am only trying to compare the V6 with the V8, basically like apples and oranges if you may . 2 totally different designed engines for very simular purposes.

If I had money to burn, my 4R would be all decked out already. It's still stock (minus the Nittos) and I intend to keep it that way for a while.

What a really want to see is a turbo setup for the V6. There's so much room in the engine bay available to acompany it. We shall see what lies ahead of this potent V6 engine, weather you V8 worshipers like it or not. :biggrin2:

 

[Falls]

I'm just bustin you chops a little , hey if you can put the money into it and make it rip , get R' done !! I like to see it. Nothing wrong with modding. I also one that can't leaved well enough alone and always trying to mod something.

I think a turbo would be damn cool. I used to be an option years ago on the 4cyl.

The V6 is not slouch as is in stock form , but boost would be cool.

 

[TeCKis300]

Laid back is exactly what the V8 is then. I like to open up the throttle and hear the V6 switch to VVT-i as the motor shines towards redline, doing what it was designed to do. This motor is made exactly for high revs, so who whouldn't downshift when you need to, or as some may say: power on tap. I'm sure one day a V8 will pull up next to me and I'll smoke him to prove myself, but untill that day, I'll just kickback and enjoy my awesome fuel economy (for an SUV that is) .:beer: :biggrin2:

I don't mean to speak bad of the V6...it's a GREAT motor and definitely more than sufficient. But to ignore the power advantage of the V8 is .

4.0-liter DOHC 24-valve EFI VVT-i V6
236 hp @ 5200 rpm/266 lb.-ft. @ 4000 rpm

4.7-liter DOHC 32-valve EFI VVT-i V8
260 hp @ 5400 rpm/306 lb.-ft. @ 3400 rpm

Take a look at those numbers. The V8 has just as sophisticated of a head with VVT-i as does the V6. It also make it's peak hp 200 rpm HIGHER than the V6 which suggest it rewards being revved just the same. Then take a look at the peak torque. 40 lb.-ft advantage 600 rpm earlier is substantial. It'll get you off the line with much more authority and still be ahead high in the rpm range.

 

[AlphaQup]

I don't mean to speak bad of the V6...it's a GREAT motor and definitely more than sufficient. But to ignore the power advantage of the V8 is .

4.0-liter DOHC 24-valve EFI VVT-i V6
236 hp @ 5200 rpm/266 lb.-ft. @ 4000 rpm

4.7-liter DOHC 32-valve EFI VVT-i V8
260 hp @ 5400 rpm/306 lb.-ft. @ 3400 rpm

Take a look at those numbers. The V8 has just as sophisticated of a head with VVT-i as does the V6. It also make it's peak hp 200 rpm HIGHER than the V6 which suggest it rewards being revved just the same. Then take a look at the peak torque. 40 lb.-ft advantage 600 rpm earlier is substantial. It'll get you off the line with much more authority and still be ahead high in the rpm range.

TeCk,

You name the place & time. I'll be there! lol :

 

[TeCKis300]

TeCk,

You name the place & time. I'll be there! lol :

I don't know what else to say. I don't drag with my 4runner and have nothing to prove. Just simply trying to help out with your ignorance. At this point, I feel like banging my head againt the wall. :bash:

 

[TeCKis300]

I mean, I own a V6 and I think it's pretty damn quick, but then I've never drivin the V8 for comparison.

There will always be something/someone faster than you. If you can understand this, it will take you far in life. Don't feel like you always have something to prove. We all drive 4runners. Just enjoy the ride.

 

[POS Racing]

I don't know what else to say. I don't drag with my 4runner and have nothing to prove. Just simply trying to help out with your ignorance. At this point, I feel like banging my head againt the wall. :bash:

Yesh your wound a bit tight, bit harsh with your ignorance statement don't ya think.........

I do believe he was just joking.

I think it would be fun to go to a drag strip and run the 4runner for giggles.

Anyone found any magazine test drive data on the 4runner V6 or V8?? Reading the engine specs off the Toyota brochure is fun but I'd really like to see 0-60 times on both. :