Weekend Trail Repairs

snivilous

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I had a pretty awesome experience this weekend and figured I'd show everyone, I'll try to summarize as short as I can: Two other guys and I are starting an offroading club at the university, and we had our first unofficial "meet" this weekend, just from putting pieces of paper on people's windshields. It was just the three of us (01 4Runner, 95 Grand Cherokee, 97 Cherokee) and then a 03 Wrangler and a 87 4Runner showed up. There aren't any hard trails around here really, so we just went to this rock quarry to screw around a bit.

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We went to this overlook up a decently inclined trail, and then on the way down the 1st gen popped a tire. I've never actually seen a tire get popped or have to do a roadside/trail change so that was cool. We ended up using my spare tire since we couldn't get the 1st gen's spare to lower.

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After that the Grand and 1st gen headed out and me, the Wrangler, and my buddy with his Cherokee went to do a loop. I was bringing up the rear, and about a mile in the Cherokee stops and they call back that they thought they heard something break. It was a slightly rocky section on a little bit of a grade. Turns out the body/frame mount for the upper link of his 3-link had sheared off.

Crappy pic of it:

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We couldn't figure out how to fix it so left the Jeep there. For those who don't know a 3-link uses three control arms to define a plane that the axle is on. With the upper link detached, the axle was free to roll around more or less. Luckily they stopped quick enough that the track bar was able to keep the axle from rotating and binding the driveshaft U-joint. My buddies dad was able to bring a MiG welder (no gas) up from Salt Lake City (2 hours away), a generator, and an angle grinder. Once we got those loaded into the Grand and my Runner we went back to fix the Jeep.

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When he had stopped, the differential rotated up so we had to rotate it back down. We did this primarily by using my winch to pull the Jeep backwards. We then used a combination of my bottle jack and a come-along attached to one of my D-rings to further pull the differential to generally the right spot.

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We then ground down the surfaces so we could reattach the mount.

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And then weld (with a 110 MiG) the mount back on

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And then we packed everything up and headed out around 1am

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The mount isn't in the right spot, it's close enough he can drive it but not much over about 40mph without getting a really bad death wobble. The mount is about an inch rear of where it should be as far as we can tell and needs to be fixed. All in all, the effort lasted from 9pm-2am from leaving to get the Jeep and coming back with it. We would of left it there overnight, but other 4x4s have broken down and been stripped in that canyon in the past so we didn't want to leave it, and there was no way we could get a flat bed up there or jury rig a replacement for the upper link. All in all it was a pretty exciting and entertaining weekend with by far the hardest trail repair I've ever done.
 
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Nice trail fix, kudos to you and your buddies for starting a 4wd club.

Now, those original welds on that 3-link look like straight up horse shit. Whoever welded that should be ashamed and have their welder taken away.

It takes more than owning a welder to be a Fabricator.
 
Everyone should see [MENTION=75331]RiFF RaFF[/MENTION]'s video about welding with three car batteries.

Thanks for the shout-out.

Here's the link, and putting together a trail welding kit is super easy/cheap. Can definitely save the day. It's saved a few Jeeps in our club!



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Thanks for the shout-out.

Here's the link, and putting together a trail welding kit is super easy/cheap. Can definitely save the day. It's saved a few Jeeps in our club!



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any time man. I can't weld at all so I was pretty amazed seeing this. I watched it like 4 times.
 
You and me both. Last welding I did was some tech class I took in high school (circa 1977). But with that set up any weld will help to get off the trail and back to camp/home.

Something all of us as serious off roaders should have in our recovery bag. Time to take a trip to Home Despot.

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That was you guys, huh? He posted up on RME, we're having a rockin' conversation about battery stick welding right now :).

Did you give any thought to just locating it with ratchet straps long enough to get it off the trail?
 
Nice trail fix, kudos to you and your buddies for starting a 4wd club.

Now, those original welds on that 3-link look like straight up horse shit. Whoever welded that should be ashamed and have their welder taken away.

It takes more than owning a welder to be a Fabricator.

Apparently it was his neighbor, and you could hardly tell where the welds even were on the body from the lack of penetration.

That was you guys, huh? He posted up on RME, we're having a rockin' conversation about battery stick welding right now :).

Did you give any thought to just locating it with ratchet straps long enough to get it off the trail?

Yea, we thought about that, but you would need a strap going up from the differential to keep it from rotating down and then another one going under it to the front bumper or something to keep it taught and not rotate up. I didn't think ratchets could handle the moment that gets applied to the links, especially slowing the truck down to get all the way of the mountain and to campus.
 
Instead of needing a couple buddies with multiple batteries... does anyone have any experience with the following?

Doesn't look all that big and looks like we can run it of the inverter, meaning you don't need to pull batteries; just keep the engine running.

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Okki
 
[MENTION=55815]Okki[/MENTION], how big of an inverter are you running in that truck :eek:? These 120v welders generally need ~15-20 amp feeds, maybe a small portable gas generator along with the welder might be more appropriate for the task...

If you're going to try to do emergency stick welding, nothing beats the multiple battery method, there's just much less loss of efficiency that way, IMO.

Think about it this way, if you go from 12v DC to 120v AC through the inverter, then back down to DC through the 120v welder, imagine how much needless energy is lost along the way :)

Instead of picking up a cheap welder, you can just pick up 3 cheap batteries for about the same price, lol.
 
[MENTION=55815]Okki[/MENTION], how big of an inverter are you running in that truck :eek:?

Same as everyone else.. was thinking about the 110V outlet in the back.

These 120v welders generally need ~15-20 amp feeds, maybe a small portable gas generator along with the welder might be more appropriate for the task...
Yeah, but that beats the point of having it... looked like a nice, concise solution.

If you're going to try to do emergency stick welding, nothing beats the multiple battery method, there's just much less loss of efficiency that way, IMO.

Think about it this way, if you go from 12v DC to 120v AC through the inverter, then back down to DC through the 120v welder, imagine how much needless energy is lost along the way :)
Was not thinking efficiency.. just convenience.

Instead of picking up a cheap welder, you can just pick up 3 cheap batteries for about the same price, lol.
3 Batteries for $120 plus the supplies to build the system (leads, connectors, rods etc) not sure you could make those economics work... plus then I'd be carrying 3 batteries in the back compared to a single small welding unit.

All good points though.. was just wondering if this made sense since it possibly makes you more self sufficient. so what is the wattage that our inverter spits out? and does it matter? sounds like there is a capacitor in the welder that heats up in 2 minutes as it dumps energy anyway. may just take a bit longer to get it back up to welding capacity compared to a regular wall outlet.

Thoughts? Educate this cubicle jockey! :cool:

Okki
 
If there's a capacitor that charges up then the output of the socket shouldn't matter should it? It'll just take awhile like you said. If it was directly pulling all the amperage from the socket then you would need some super pimped out wires running back to that thing and probably a larger alternator.
 
Same as everyone else.. was thinking about the 110V outlet in the back.


Yeah, but that beats the point of having it... looked like a nice, concise solution.


Was not thinking efficiency.. just convenience.


3 Batteries for $120 plus the supplies to build the system (leads, connectors, rods etc) not sure you could make those economics work... plus then I'd be carrying 3 batteries in the back compared to a single small welding unit.

All good points though.. was just wondering if this made sense since it possibly makes you more self sufficient. so what is the wattage that our inverter spits out? and does it matter? sounds like there is a capacitor in the welder that heats up in 2 minutes as it dumps energy anyway. may just take a bit longer to get it back up to welding capacity compared to a regular wall outlet.

Thoughts? Educate this cubicle jockey! :cool:

Okki

Oh if you're talking about the factory inverter, you're not even close, lol. That has a max of 400w; let's just say we push the welder to pull 15amps, that's ~1800w!

I am not sure on the exact power specification chart of that particular welder, but maybe if you kept the setting on very very low it can be driven off the 400w inverter. However then you end up without sufficient penetration if you're trying to weld any relatively thick sheet metal. And well I'm pretty sure you're not concerned about working on thin body panel sheet metal repairs out on the trail, lol

You've got me, I exaggerated on the "same price" factor just a wee bit, but on the bright side having a couple of spare batteries when you're by yourself deep in a trail is always a good thing and can double as back up in case the one in your truck craps out!

The reason I was thinking the multi battery method is better for your situation is because IMO trying to run a welder off an inverter is just not too feasible. And even if it was, I would not be surprised if the alternator cannot sustain the power draw for long. Granted, I've never actually tried this personally, so it's all theoretical :becky:

EDIT: [MENTION=55815]Okki[/MENTION] I reread what you wrote and finally got what you meant by letting it charge up at a slower rate and then rest a lot in between.

I guess that just might work but I am not sure how long of a bead you're going to be able to run before it needs to draw power again; also I don't know what is the minimum rate of draw while it's charging up too...only way to find out is try. Man it sure is going to suck if you're trying to do an emergency repair @ 1% duty cycle, lol.
 
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If there's a capacitor that charges up then the output of the socket shouldn't matter should it? It'll just take awhile like you said. If it was directly pulling all the amperage from the socket then you would need some super pimped out wires running back to that thing and probably a larger alternator.

Hey, out of curiosity, what were you guys using to power the 110v mig?
 
The three battery method is very interesting. Wondering how the batteries fair after a significant job is complete. Does the three donor trucks need a jump?
 
The three battery method is very interesting. Wondering how the batteries fair after a significant job is complete. Does the three donor trucks need a jump?

The Jeep guys have done this trail welding three times, and all three times their Jeeps fired right up without needing a jump.

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RiFF RaFF, Thanks for the Video and great info. Dumb Question..Can deep cycle batteries be used as well, or just conventional or both? The reason I ask is I haul my fishing boat all over and have deep cycles in it..Thanks again!:cheers:
 

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