Welfare state

[LandCruiser]

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/05/o...the-insurance-trap.html?hpw&rref=opinion&_r=0

Tired of working to pay for health care?

Tired of working at all?

With ACA, you can quit, have the health insurance you want, and be free to follow you dreams.

Every time I think we can't reach a new and pathetic low under Obama, we see shit like this.

 

[hearno]

Goddamn mind boggling that they try to sell it as a good thing. the only thing crazier is that your average person will read that article and won't see through the bs. People who only work for benefits now don't have to and get the same coverage. unreal.

 

[02SE]

The report clearly stated that health reform would not produce an increase in unemployment (workers unable to find jobs) or underemployment (part-time workers who would prefer to work more hours per week). It also found “no compelling evidence” that, as of now, part-time employment has increased as a result of the reform law, a frequent claim of critics. Whether that will hold up after a mandate that requires employers to provide coverage, which was delayed until 2015, kicks in is uncertain.

What a complete load of BS. I guess that's the standard of journalism we can expect from such an august tabloid as the New York Times..

I guess if they shut their eyes and ears and join hands to sing kumbaya, they can ignore the realities of the actual job market.

I can think of several people I know, that have already had their hours cut from full-time to part-time. People that are not allowed to work more than 29 hours a week. Business Owner friends that have cut their workforce, or curtailed hiring, all because of looming Obamacare mandates.

 

[ndcent]

Willful stupidity in the Obamacare debate

Willful stupidity - the one size fits all answer to Republican policies.
The CBO report - willful stupidity.
Climate change denial - willful stupidity.
Repealing the ACA through government shutdown - willful stupidity.
Defunding the non-existent ACORN - willful stupidity.
Prohibiting non-existent federal funding for abortion - willful stupidity.
Teaching creationism as science - willful stupidity.
Trickle Down Economics - willful stupidity.
The Reinhart-Rogoff austerity findings based on bad data from a spreadsheet - willful stupidity.

It works all the time.

 

[MtnT4R]

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/05/o...the-insurance-trap.html?hpw&rref=opinion&_r=0

Tired of working to pay for health care?

Tired of working at all?

With ACA, you can quit, have the health insurance you want, and be free to follow you dreams.

I'm quitting my job and goin' to Disney Land!

 

[SeattleCyclist]

I'm quitting my job and goin' to Disney Land!

So what's stopping you?
:flamewar:

 

[ndcent]

 

[MtnT4R]

So what's stopping you?
:flamewar:

Probably a shred or two of self respect and a desire to be self sufficient, rather than subsisting like a leech on the success of others.

 

[02SE]

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[LandCruiser]

So just how many people can not work, not pay for their health care, leave the work force, before you can't tax the people who get up early every day and work their asses off any more?

Obamacare has hiked up health care costs for those with good plans, canceled the plans of those who were deemed "junk" by Obama--who then have to buy plans with unnecessary crap on the exchanges, employers cut part time hours, turned their employees loose on the exchanges or taken the health care hikes out of the bottom line.

When you make something as complex and expansive as health care an entitlement, you're screwing everyone because costs will continue to go up, people will be disincentivized to work (as if they aren't already), and it's a joke that there will be another Ponzi scheme with Obamacare where the young are expected to pay into it to support the old for benefits they will never see themselves.

 

[hikenbike]

So just how many people can not work, not pay for their health care, leave the work force, before you can't tax the people who get up early every day and work their asses off any more?

Obamacare has hiked up health care costs for those with good plans, canceled the plans of those who were deemed "junk" by Obama--who then have to buy plans with unnecessary crap on the exchanges, employers cut part time hours, turned their employees loose on the exchanges or taken the health care hikes out of the bottom line.

When you make something as complex and expansive as health care an entitlement, you're screwing everyone because costs will continue to go up, people will be disincentivized to work (as if they aren't already), and it's a joke that there will be another Ponzi scheme with Obamacare where the young are expected to pay into it to support the old for benefits they will never see themselves.

When you make something as complex and expansive as health care a thread on a truck forum you will end up with lots of broad "bumper sticker" ill-conceived nonsensical garbage too.

 

[KidVermicious]

When you make something as complex and expansive as health care a thread on a truck forum you will end up with lots of broad "bumper sticker" ill-conceived nonsensical garbage too.

Yup. You also end up with approximately three idiots who can be counted on to get all butthurt and spew tired cliches about rednecks. It takes all kinds, huh?

 

[hikenbike]

Yup. You also end up with approximately three idiots who can be counted on to get all butthurt and spew tired cliches about rednecks. It takes all kinds, huh?

It takes a village.

 

[RunninInGA]

The end game here is the single payer system. It was designed to be complex and little hope of it really working.

 

[Jimmy_D]

 

[ndcent]

Speaking of welfare and all those dirty lazy single moms sucking the US dry with their need to feed their children, you really have to consider these leeches...

1) Verizon Communications. Profits: $19.8 billion. Effective tax rate: -3.8%
2) General Electric. Profits: $19.6 billion. Effective tax rate: -18.9%
3) Boeing. Profits: $14.9 billion. Effective tax rate: -5.5%
4) NextEra Energy, North America’s largest solar and wind power operator, based in Florida. Profits: $8.8 billion. Effective tax rate: -2%
5) American Electric Power, electrical utility based in Ohio. Profits: $8.2 billion. Effective tax rate: -6.4%
6) Pacific Gas & Electric, California electrical utility. Profits: $6 billion. Effective tax rate: -8.4%
7) Apache, oil and gas company based in Houston. Profits: $6 billion. Effective tax rate: -0.3%
8) Consolidated Edison, New York energy company. Profits: $5.9 billion. Effective tax rate: -1.3%
9) El Paso, Houston-based energy company that runs the country’s largest natural gas pipeline. Profits: $4.6 billion. Effective tax rate: -0.9%
10) CenterPoint Energy, electric and gas utility based in Houston. Profits: $3.1 billion. Effective tax rate: -11.3%. -
See more at: Republican Voters Are Angry About All The Wrong Things

 

[bofa]

Speaking of welfare and all those dirty lazy single moms sucking the US dry with their need to feed their children, you really have to consider these leeches...

1) Verizon Communications. Profits: $19.8 billion. Effective tax rate: -3.8%
2) General Electric. Profits: $19.6 billion. Effective tax rate: -18.9%
3) Boeing. Profits: $14.9 billion. Effective tax rate: -5.5%
4) NextEra Energy, North America’s largest solar and wind power operator, based in Florida. Profits: $8.8 billion. Effective tax rate: -2%
5) American Electric Power, electrical utility based in Ohio. Profits: $8.2 billion. Effective tax rate: -6.4%
6) Pacific Gas & Electric, California electrical utility. Profits: $6 billion. Effective tax rate: -8.4%
7) Apache, oil and gas company based in Houston. Profits: $6 billion. Effective tax rate: -0.3%
8) Consolidated Edison, New York energy company. Profits: $5.9 billion. Effective tax rate: -1.3%
9) El Paso, Houston-based energy company that runs the country’s largest natural gas pipeline. Profits: $4.6 billion. Effective tax rate: -0.9%
10) CenterPoint Energy, electric and gas utility based in Houston. Profits: $3.1 billion. Effective tax rate: -11.3%. -
See more at: Republican Voters Are Angry About All The Wrong Things

Change this and see what happens to your utility costs. I know you guys are still drinking the "no inflation" kool-aid but this would be near impossible to ignore...

 

[ndcent]

Change this and see what happens to your utility costs. I know you guys are still drinking the "no inflation" kool-aid but this would be near impossible to ignore...

Stop letting corporations screw us so they can screw us? :doh:

Government of the people, my ass.

 

[nevada]

Speaking of welfare and all those dirty lazy single moms sucking the US dry with their need to feed their children, you really have to consider these leeches...

1) Verizon Communications. Profits: $19.8 billion. Effective tax rate: -3.8%
2) General Electric. Profits: $19.6 billion. Effective tax rate: -18.9%
3) Boeing. Profits: $14.9 billion. Effective tax rate: -5.5%
4) NextEra Energy, North America’s largest solar and wind power operator, based in Florida. Profits: $8.8 billion. Effective tax rate: -2%
5) American Electric Power, electrical utility based in Ohio. Profits: $8.2 billion. Effective tax rate: -6.4%
6) Pacific Gas & Electric, California electrical utility. Profits: $6 billion. Effective tax rate: -8.4%
7) Apache, oil and gas company based in Houston. Profits: $6 billion. Effective tax rate: -0.3%
8) Consolidated Edison, New York energy company. Profits: $5.9 billion. Effective tax rate: -1.3%
9) El Paso, Houston-based energy company that runs the country’s largest natural gas pipeline. Profits: $4.6 billion. Effective tax rate: -0.9%
10) CenterPoint Energy, electric and gas utility based in Houston. Profits: $3.1 billion. Effective tax rate: -11.3%. -
See more at: Republican Voters Are Angry About All The Wrong Things

what does any of that have to do with the topic?

 

[ndcent]

what does any of that have to do with the topic?

The thread title is "Welfare State."