What is reasonable? 07 v8 for a '12 FJ

[hikenbike]

This is something that I never thought I'd consider but after seeing an FJ last week I've been thinking about.

I have an 07 Sport v8 with only 42k miles in absolutely outstanding condition inside and out. Last weekend I drove a '12 FJ with 23k miles that I was considering for my son who's 99 Pathfinder is losing its legs but it doesn't make sense for him at this point since he'll be away at school in Sept. I did really like it for myself though but I really would like to have both and my wife would never relinquish her Pilot.

Does it make sense to consider trading my beloved Sport for the fun and different FJ? What would be a reasonable deal if i do? The FJ is listed for $29.5. I'm thinking $19k for mine and $25k for the FJ. That sound reasonable or should I just get this idea out of my head altogether? I'm 48 and occasionally have backseat passengers of the 18yo+ variety. Mostly I only drive for my use.

 

[wnelax04sr5]

fjs are fun vehicles, cool as well, but there are drawbacks to them. there is a ton of wind noise from what I've noticed, it has the aerodynamics of a brick, the mpg will be down from your v8 as well as the power, but on the plus side they hold value extremely well and utilize the same basic platform as your 4runner. i don't know if id trade in a 4runner that has such low miles and is in good condition, but if its what you want, why not?

i certainly like fj's, id probably have one, but i like my 4runner just the same.

don't forget, fj's have three windshield wipers, that could be a selling point :cheers:

 

[LTDSC]

I think its good if its what you want. I do think you're dreaming a bit with the prices, id expect more so around 17.5 for yours and 27 for the FJ. Only because what i know from working at a dealership for so long. But if you're ok with it then it could be a good choice.

Ive driven a few FJs, they give you that jeep "i am man, hear me roar" feel. The blind spots long term blows. The gas mileage is terrible. it does sit more so like a truck which i personally like more than the car feel in the 4runners. Its a more rugged design, not as creature comforts. So if thats something you're in to then id say its worth it to go talk numbers.

 

[awdjunkies]

What they said ^ .. The BEST option(Which sounds like doesn't exist at this time) would be to keep the T4R + Getting into the FJ, if not now, then in a few years.. :cheers:

 

[daPitbull]

I went from an 03 sport to a 07 FJ, then back to a used 08 v8.

The "uniqueness" of the FJ wore off after a few years. The clamshell doors are a pain, especially in parking lots.

Much happier in my 4runner though, especially the V8. since you have a low mileage V8 sport, I'd imagine you'd get good money for it.

 

[hikenbike]

I think its good if its what you want. I do think you're dreaming a bit with the prices, id expect more so around 17.5 for yours and 27 for the FJ. Only because what i know from working at a dealership for so long. But if you're ok with it then it could be a good choice.

Ive driven a few FJs, they give you that jeep "i am man, hear me roar" feel. The blind spots long term blows. The gas mileage is terrible. it does sit more so like a truck which i personally like more than the car feel in the 4runners. Its a more rugged design, not as creature comforts. So if thats something you're in to then id say its worth it to go talk numbers.

I was thinking I'd be able to do better on the FJ because this is NJ after all and there wouldn't be the same market for that kind of vehicle as in perhaps other states....... along with the fact that it is a vehicle that most hate, few love, and is simply not practical for most.

 

[hikenbike]

What they said ^ .. The BEST option(Which sounds like doesn't exist at this time) would be to keep the T4R + Getting into the FJ, if not now, then in a few years.. :cheers:

This will most likely be the case for me but on a boring winter afternoon I like to plot to get in one sooner......then reality sets in.

 

[awdjunkies]

This will most likely be the case for me but on a boring winter afternoon I like to plot to get in one sooner......then reality sets in.

Is that YOU inside my head? lol seriously though, my thoughts EXACTLY!!!

 

[28.]

I have same dirty thoughts you guys have but then 3 friends have them and I ocassionally ride with one of them in his FJ, then I remember once again why I chose the Runner to begin with lol.. The blind spots on them are horrible.. Plus the V6 sound just doesn't do it for me.. Nothing wrong with it, but prefer the comfort and get an overall better "feel" when I drive my 4runner.

 

[hikenbike]

I have same dirty thoughts you guys have but then 3 friends have them and I ocassionally ride with one of them in his FJ, then I remember once again why I chose the Runner to begin with lol.. The blind spots on them are horrible.. Plus the V6 sound just doesn't do it for me.. Nothing wrong with it, but prefer the comfort and get an overall better "feel" when I drive my 4runner.

I agree and am now set on never getting rid of my V8 Sport. It would be ludicrous.

But how do I convince my wife that she is better off riding around in my 4Runner so I can trade/sell her Pilot so I can get the FJ? She loves that damn Pilot.....and yes, I'm a selfish bastard who probably doesn't deserve someone as great as my wife.

 

[BlackWorksInc]

I agree and am now set on never getting rid of my V8 Sport. It would be ludicrous.

But how do I convince my wife that she is better off riding around in my 4Runner so I can trade/sell her Pilot so I can get the FJ? She loves that damn Pilot.....and yes, I'm a selfish bastard who probably doesn't deserve someone as great as my wife.

Simple, you explain to her its a Pilot...

By the way, I don't know what year Pilot you have, but pretty much any made in the last ten years seems to have the same notorious Honda transmission issue that has been cropping up on any of their V6 transmissions.

 

[awdjunkies]

I agree and am now set on never getting rid of my V8 Sport. It would be ludicrous.

But how do I convince my wife that she is better off riding around in my 4Runner so I can trade/sell her Pilot so I can get the FJ? She loves that damn Pilot.....and yes, I'm a selfish bastard who probably doesn't deserve someone as great as my wife.

^ Totally agree with BWI, and just to add to that, explain to her that your all wheel drive system in the 4runner is much better(Not to mention safer) to use in everyday applications than her 4wd/awd Pilot will ever be.

 

[oljedi11950]

You need to read what some of the 5th guys say about their FJs modded to the max & THEN went 4r !

 

[hikenbike]

Simple, you explain to her its a Pilot...

By the way, I don't know what year Pilot you have, but pretty much any made in the last ten years seems to have the same notorious Honda transmission issue that has been cropping up on any of their V6 transmissions.

It's an 07 Pilot. Original owner. Not a single solitary problem with it......ever. Just maintenance.....tires, spark plugs, battery, regular oil changes, brakes, etc. normal stuff. She loves it and it hasn't cost me a dime since I bought it. Low miles too. 42k.

Can you tell me more about the trans issues?

 

[awdjunkies]

It's an 07 Pilot. Original owner. Not a single solitary problem with it......ever. Just maintenance.....tires, spark plugs, battery, regular oil changes, brakes, etc. normal stuff. She loves it and it hasn't cost me a dime since I bought it. Low miles too. 42k.

Sounds like you're screwed there pal :lol: She'll never give it up!!

 

[BlackWorksInc]

It's an 07 Pilot. Original owner. Not a single solitary problem with it......ever. Just maintenance.....tires, spark plugs, battery, regular oil changes, brakes, etc. normal stuff. She loves it and it hasn't cost me a dime since I bought it. Low miles too. 42k.

Can you tell me more about the trans issues?

As they get older a lot of technicians are seeing the transmissions wearing out/start slipping in lock-up.

 

[wnelax04sr5]

I agree and am now set on never getting rid of my V8 Sport. It would be ludicrous.

But how do I convince my wife that she is better off riding around in my 4Runner so I can trade/sell her Pilot so I can get the FJ? She loves that damn Pilot.....and yes, I'm a selfish bastard who probably doesn't deserve someone as great as my wife.

Simple, you explain to her its a Pilot...

By the way, I don't know what year Pilot you have, but pretty much any made in the last ten years seems to have the same notorious Honda transmission issue that has been cropping up on any of their V6 transmissions.

It's an 07 Pilot. Original owner. Not a single solitary problem with it......ever. Just maintenance.....tires, spark plugs, battery, regular oil changes, brakes, etc. normal stuff. She loves it and it hasn't cost me a dime since I bought it. Low miles too. 42k.

Can you tell me more about the trans issues?

everything [MENTION=66389]BlackWorksInc[/MENTION] said. a 2001 honda odyssey was my first car, a gift from my parents, i had it for like 4 months and with 120k on it the transmission first slipped in first gear, then in second, and so on. it eventually wouldnt move in any gear. the worst part is, we knew two other people with odyssey's, another 2001 and a 2010. they both had the transmissions go. keep in mind that the odyssey and pilot share a drivetrain. those kind of failure numbers made sure that i personally would never buy a honda suv/van

 

[BlackWorksInc]

I believe the most common symptom is a P0740 DTC with a slight lag in lock-up in Over Drive. Diagnostics will show that the TCC (Torque Converter Clutch) solenoid operates perfectly fine, but hydraulic testing will show borderline or lower than desired pressures.

If you dig deeper into how the DTC is calculated by the transmission control module you'll find that resulting diagnostics will show that there is too much clearance internally (due to worn out clutches, plates, internals) that is causing slippage. It starts off subtly and becomes more and more pronounced as the vehicle is driven longer, but usually in the early stages its a constantly reoccurring P0740 DTC with no other DTCs accompanying it and a slight slip/failure to lock-up at freeway speeds that spells doom for the vehicle.

As was pointed out, it seems to be endemic to all Honda V6 transaxles since the drivetrain was used in the MDX, Odyssey, Pilot, Element, ect. apparently easily into the last few model years.

 

[awdjunkies]

I believe the most common symptom is a P0740 DTC with a slight lag in lock-up in Over Drive. Diagnostics will show that the TCC (Torque Converter Clutch) solenoid operates perfectly fine, but hydraulic testing will show borderline or lower than desired pressures.

If you dig deeper into how the DTC is calculated by the transmission control module you'll find that resulting diagnostics will show that there is too much clearance internally (due to worn out clutches, plates, internals) that is causing slippage. It starts off subtly and becomes more and more pronounced as the vehicle is driven longer, but usually in the early stages its a constantly reoccurring P0740 DTC with no other DTCs accompanying it and a slight slip/failure to lock-up at freeway speeds that spells doom for the vehicle.

As was pointed out, it seems to be endemic to all Honda V6 transaxles since the drivetrain was used in the MDX, Odyssey, Pilot, Element, ect. apparently easily into the last few model years.

Sadly this is the same thing that plagued the 90s-mid 2000s Tiptronic transmissions in the Audi line up, Where the code which popped up was the dreaded P0741. Except in certain instances it was due to a faulty plastic 3 Dollar seal.