What rear coil is recommended for 2" lift? 6112 in the front, 5100 in back

[minimalist]

Im a little stuck on this. 1.75 rear coil or 2? I don't want too much of a lift where UCAS would be necessary. I want a lift just under that point so alignment and what not will not be an issue.

So again, 6112's in the front and 5100's in the back. Anyone running this right now without UCA's? What did you set your fronts at? What coil in the back?

In this thread http://www.toyota-4runner.org/5th-gen-t4rs/216390-another-bilstein-5100-question.html post #5 of codyhtx's lift is almost exactly the lift height im going for

 

[salong53]

If you're trying to avoid UCAs, I'd go less than 2" of lift in the back, and less than 2.5" in the front.

 

[minimalist]

If you're trying to avoid UCAs, I'd go less than 2" of lift in the back, and less than 2.5" in the front.

Okay so 2.21 in front on 6112's. But then how do you figure out the back. Im assuming if I do 2.21 it would be better to go with a 1.75 coilover in the back rather than 2?

 

[1engineer]

Why are you mixing and matching?

 

[minimalist]

Why are you mixing and matching?

You mean 6112 with 5100? For better ride quality than 5100s all-around on and off road

 

[Hamburgerpimp]

Im running 6112's on 4th groove (last generation that had only 5 groove's) in front with stock UCA's. 5100 with ToyTec 2.0 rear springs. Works fine may upgrade uca's someday, but is is not necessary to do right away.

 

[SierraMare]

I've had the older 6112's for a year now set at the 3rd or middle groove for 2" up front, and 5100's in back paired with Icon 2" lift springs. I've been very pleased with this setup, and my alignment results/ride were acceptable with the OEM UCA. It has performed well for me on and off road, no regrets so far.

In this thread Another Bilstein 5100 question post #5 of codyhtx's lift is almost exactly the lift height im going for

Be aware that the lift you referenced, 1.75" in front and 1" in back, produces a different, more leveled result than what you indicated you were interested in (1.75 rear coil or 2). Lifting 2" in front AND in the back maintains the factory rake, which many don't like. I like my 2" lift all around as indicated.

 

[minimalist]

I've had the older 6112's for a year now set at the 3rd or middle groove for 2" up front, and 5100's in back paired with Icon 2" lift springs. I've been very pleased with this setup, and my alignment results/ride were acceptable with the OEM UCA. It has performed well for me on and off road, no regrets so far.


Be aware that the lift you referenced, 1.75" in front and 1" in back, produces a different, more leveled result than what you indicated you were interested in (1.75 rear coil or 2). Lifting 2" in front AND in the back maintains the factory rake, which many don't like. I like my 2" lift all around as indicated.

So a few things and I hope you don't mind me asking. Do you think it would be possible to achieve similar results with the setup I want to go with? That's the perfect height just without the ride quality I'd like.

Also, im confused because I was looking at the icon springs and I thought it said on 2014 or higher it gives a 3"+ lift. I think the thing in struggling with right now is how you even calculate how much in the front and then in the back in order to keep it somewhat level, not too high where I need UCAS, looks right with 275s.

 

[SierraMare]

So a few things and I hope you don't mind me asking. Do you think it would be possible to achieve similar results with the setup I want to go with? That's the perfect height just without the ride quality I'd like.

Not sure what set up you want to go with in the back for the lift portion

Also, im confused because I was looking at the icon springs and I thought it said on 2014 or higher it gives a 3"+ lift. I think the thing in struggling with right now is how you even calculate how much in the front and then in the back in order to keep it somewhat level, not too high where I need UCAS, looks right with 275s.

There are many lift options for the back, and thoroughly researching the forum will give you lots of information. That info, assessing your needs/goals, and time/discussion will lead you in the right direction.

For the rear you basically have either a spacer lift, or lift coils - the rear shocks DON'T lift. Icon makes 2" and 3" lift coils, and I went with the former. It gave me about 2.5" of lift in the rear, which worked for me since I usually carry gear in the back. You can see my non settled lift here with LT275 tires: http://www.toyota-4runner.org/2279599-post3694.html

Good luck on your journey...

 

[3wbdriver]

I'm running OME 2" 885's up front with the 5100s set at 0. On the back I am running Toytec Superflex +10 2" lift springs. I'm still on the factory UCA's and am perfectly happy with the alignment. It's a little on the low side of best caster, but not objectionably so. Having added a full set of skids, the CBI rear bumper, and that 80 pound sliding rear cargo tray I am seriously considering going to the next weight up on the rear springs. But as it sits right now as a daily driver, it rides almost level with maybe 1/4" of reverse frame rake due to the extra weight (pushing 650 overall lbs). Before the rear bumper it was frame level.

 

[minimalist]

There are many lift options for the back, and thoroughly researching the forum will give you lots of information. That info, assessing your needs/goals, and time/discussion will lead you in the right direction.

For the rear you basically have either a spacer lift, or lift coils - the rear shocks DON'T lift. Icon makes 2" and 3" lift coils, and I went with the former. It gave me about 2.5" of lift in the rear, which worked for me since I usually carry gear in the back. You can see my non settled lift here with LT275 tires: http://www.toyota-4runner.org/2279599-post3694.html

Good luck on your journey...

Thanks !

 

[SierraMare]

No experience with these, but these look new and they advertise 1.5" of rear lift, assuming you are looking for a bit less rear lift than Icon 2" rear springs. The T-13's are for 2010+ 4Runners: http://www.toyota-4runner.org/5th-gen-t4rs/233598-wheelers-t-12-new-t-13-rear-lift-coils.html

 

[minimalist]

No experience with these, but these look new and they advertise 1.5" of rear lift, assuming you are looking for a bit less rear lift than Icon 2" rear springs. The T-13's are for 2010+ 4Runners: http://www.toyota-4runner.org/5th-gen-t4rs/233598-wheelers-t-12-new-t-13-rear-lift-coils.html

What would you recommend setting the 6112's at with 5100's in the back with those springs? You think a lesser lift with still be okay with 275's and with no rubbing?

I've given in some thought and probably wouldn't mind doing 2.55 up front with the 6112's and 2" in the back with icon springs. I just really don't want to do UCAS. But, I just won something at work so this might be happening sooner than anticipated. Definitely gonna need to figure it out soon.

 

[SierraMare]

What would you recommend setting the 6112's at with 5100's in the back with those springs? You think a lesser lift with still be okay with 275's and with no rubbing?

I've given in some thought and probably wouldn't mind doing 2.55 up front with the 6112's and 2" in the back with icon springs. I just really don't want to do UCAS. But, I just won something at work so this might be happening sooner than anticipated. Definitely gonna need to figure it out soon.

First, every 4Runner is a bit different when it comes to it's response to lifts, so YMMV. That said, it really goes back to your goals. Do you want the lift to: allow you to run larger tires, too improve approach/departure angles (that was my reason for lifting), firming up the ride (another goal), increasing ground clearance for the front skid in KDSS-equipped Trail Editions (my final goal), or to look better as your perceive it? (yes, I wanted a "better look").

That said, it seems as if you want a lift without replacing the OEM UCA's. So, that means you are limited to lifting the front <= 2", and how much you lift the back is dependent upon whether or want to maintain or minimize the factory rake.

Be advised that the published lift rates for rear coils do vary a bit from the real lift. Also, the higher the lift up front, the less likely you will be able to get your front caster in spec (that's why new adjustable UCA's are needed for bigger lifts, to get the castor within specs). That said, "many" here report adequate front castor (but not necessarily within "spec") with <= 2" lift. So it's a bit of a crap shoot. BTW, you don't really need a lift to run 275 tires as the lift doesn't really affect rubbing up through 285's = rubbing issues can solved in other ways.

For me, I met my goals with an alignment that worked for me without the need for new UCA which I wanted to avoid (I have a limited budget). If you like the rake, the 6112's set for 2" lift and rear 2" Icon lift springs paired with 5100's should work. If you want to minimize the rake while maintaining the 2" front lift, then either a 1" spacer or a 1.5" rear lift spring would be your route.

All that said, I researched this forum and others thoroughly over time, honestly thought about what I wanted my lift to achieve, and I'm happy to report I'm happy with the result one year later and have no plans to change. I run 275 tires in the summer and 265's in the winter. I had some minor rubbing with the 275's which I solved with the front fender liner mod.

Good luck! http://www.toyota-4runner.org/5th-gen-t4rs/92594-modifications-write-ups-quick-links-faqs.html

 

[minimalist]

First, every 4Runner is a bit different when it comes to it's response to lifts, so YMMV. That said, it really goes back to your goals. Do you want the lift to: allow you to run larger tires, too improve approach/departure angles (that was my reason for lifting), firming up the ride (another goal), increasing ground clearance for the front skid in KDSS-equipped Trail Editions (my final goal), or to look better as your perceive it? (yes, I wanted a "better look").

That said, it seems as if you want a lift without replacing the OEM UCA's. So, that means you are limited to lifting the front <= 2", and how much you lift the back is dependent upon whether or want to maintain or minimize the factory rake.

Be advised that the published lift rates for rear coils do vary a bit from the real lift. Also, the higher the lift up front, the less likely you will be able to get your front caster in spec (that's why new adjustable UCA's are needed for bigger lifts, to get the castor within specs). That said, "many" here report adequate front castor (but not necessarily within "spec") with <= 2" lift. So it's a bit of a crap shoot. BTW, you don't really need a lift to run 275 tires as the lift doesn't really affect rubbing up through 285's = rubbing issues can solved in other ways.

For me, I met my goals with an alignment that worked for me without the need for new UCA which I wanted to avoid (I have a limited budget). If you like the rake, the 6112's set for 2" lift and rear 2" Icon lift springs paired with 5100's should work. If you want to minimize the rake while maintaining the 2" front lift, then either a 1" spacer or a 1.5" rear lift spring would be your route.

All that said, I researched this forum and others thoroughly over time, honestly thought about what I wanted my lift to achieve, and I'm happy to report I'm happy with the result one year later and have no plans to change. I run 275 tires in the summer and 265's in the winter. I had some minor rubbing with the 275's which I solved with the front fender liner mod.

Good luck! http://www.toyota-4runner.org/5th-gen-t4rs/92594-modifications-write-ups-quick-links-faqs.html

Thanks so much for the helpful response. I mean my main goals are most of what you described plus less body roll, less nose dive, minimal mpg loss, no rubbing whatsoever with 275's. Definitely want to improve approach/departure angles, firming up the ride , better look.

I'm starting to think I might as well just get UCAs. How much of a difference in mpg do you think there'd be between a 1.85 lift in the front vs 2.25-2.55. Part of the reason I didn't want to get UCAs was that I felt like getting them would mean a lift that would def have a bigger impact on mpg. Now sure how accurate that thought process is though.

Seriously though, thanks a lot for taking the time to help. We are all busy so it's much appreciated.

 

[MyanRagahis]

If this is of any help to you, this is mine with the 6112's and 5100's.
Fronts set at max height (7th clip on driver side and 6th clip on passenger side)
Stock UCA and still have to get an alignment. I'll let you know after Saturday when I can try to go in for one somewhere.
Stock rear springs. Although I do have ToyTec springs I'm planning on putting on just before I get larger tires.

 

[JSparky]

Technically springs function solely to support the weight of the vehicle, shocks control the actual movement of suspension travel under dynamic conditions.

Rear coils are dependent on two factors, how much lift you're looking for (typically for larger tire clearance) and what kind of loads you're carrying. In other words, load carrying capacity and lift are two separate but equally important factors to consider. Someone running a plate-metal rear bumper and storage drawers is going to have a different need than someone with a relatively factory constant-load who's looking for increased ground clearance or departure angle.

We also should know if you're interested in having a front to rear "rake". Some prefer to have the rear level with the front, others enjoy having the rear a bit higher than the front for functional purposes (when loading the truck with gear/bags of gravel/costco runs/expeditions etc.. the rear will ideally sit level while loaded rather than lower than the front). This helps with driving dynamics and you won't be bottoming-out over bumps when loaded down. Rear lift will impact driving dynamics but not as much as having your front suspension geometry set properly, in your case keeping front lift at or below 2" while maximizing caster.

I'll make an assumption here and figure that you want a rear coil to match a front lift while maintaining/slightly increasing factory load carrying capability. In this case Toytec and Radflo both offer nice coils that will give you around 2" of rear lift while giving a slight boost in load carrying capacity without being too stiff for daily driving. I ran Radflo 2" rear coils on my last 5th gen and loved them for what they were.

Long story short, consider what your typical load is while factoring in the heavier loads you may carry, and examine all of that while thinking about what kind of daily-driving experience you'd be happy with. Placing a call to one of the big vendors such as MetalTech or Toyetc could help you figure out which route is best. They have years of experience with this so if you have an honest conversation about what you're looking for I'd doubt they'd steer you wrong.

Oh, and post pics up once you're done! Goodluck.

 

[JSparky]

What would you recommend setting the 6112's at with 5100's in the back with those springs? You think a lesser lift with still be okay with 275's and with no rubbing?

I've given in some thought and probably wouldn't mind doing 2.55 up front with the 6112's and 2" in the back with icon springs. I just really don't want to do UCAS. But, I just won something at work so this might be happening sooner than anticipated. Definitely gonna need to figure it out soon.

Just to point out, most if not all of the issues involving larger than stock tires and rubbing occur on the front, not on that back.

See this:http://www.toyota-4runner.org/5th-g...r-5th-gen-tire-fitment-guide.html#post1550444

The FAQ section has tons of condensed critical knowledge in case you haven't checked it out.

 

[Simpleman74]

2.5" up front

1. Daystar 1.5" spacer
2. SAW 1.5" springs
3. Dobinsons 2' Springs (thank me later)

STOCK UCAs will work fine but aftermarket UCAs will make it ride soooo much nicer

 

[RIjon]

2.5" up front

1. Daystar 1.5" spacer
2. SAW 1.5" springs
3. Dobinsons 2' Springs (thank me later)

STOCK UCAs will work fine but aftermarket UCAs will make it ride soooo much nicer

I installed the dobinson 2" lift this weekend and the rear springs are bit too sprung for my tastes honestly. There is almost zero compression at all unloaded and it's much higher than the front. I'm hoping they settle down a little bit I'm not holding my breath. The front is perfect.

I'll talk to mike, but I think I might try some other springs