What would you replace a 5th Gen with?

[Muzzle of Bees]

Different driving habits? It’s a minivan! I am not tracking it! I drive it like most folks who drive a minivan to the soccer practice! Maintenance? Every 5k miles at Toyota dealer…until KABOOM at 90k. Yes, i bought it brand new.

I don’t know how it’s driven or the regular drivers of your vehicles so it’s a logical question. A Sienna really has nothing to do with a 4runner or Jeep product though.

 

[Muzzle of Bees]

The excuses that Toyota fans make is hilarious.
Guy 1: "Jeeps have nothing but problems b/c of Jeep!"
Guy 2: "Well, my Toyota has this list of problems..."
Guy 1: "Must be b/c of how it's driven then, it couldn't be Toyota's fault!"

Anyway... I just want something that drives nicer - and that my wife feels more comfortable driving.
Our Rav 4 is more comfortable on rough paved roads than the 4Runner is - I could drive over a quarter and feel it in the Toyota. It may be b/c of the bumper/winch (I'm pulling the winch out this summer) or the grossly overrated Eibach suspension. I don't know. I just know it's not enjoyable to me anymore and I'm not using the truck for what it's intended for.

Instead of talking out your ass read the posts on their forum. Better yet, go test drive a Jeep and carefully get to know the truth. I know there are plenty of morons that should not be licensed. Issues, Repairs, Warranty, TSB, Recalls | 2018+ Jeep Wrangler Forums (JL / JLU) - Rubicon, Sahara, Sport, Unlimited - JLwranglerforums.com. Link provided so you get some quick facts about the new wrangler.

 

[Jernik]

Toyota does an EXCELLENT job with giving vehicles more trunk space than you’d seem to get from a vehicle that size. Perfect example 2nd Gen Toyota Prius.

What would you add in the way of features? I was surprised I got heated and cooled seats, car play, 4WD... I don’t feel I’m missing anything from the Range Rover I traded in.


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I'd probably have to go Platinum to get the ventilated seats, panoramic moonroof, jbl sound, bird's eye view camera, and 2nd row "Captain's chair" seating.

 

[mscot]

Instead of talking out your ass read the posts on their forum. Better yet, go test drive a Jeep and carefully get to know the truth.

I'm aware of the problems jeeps tend to have. I had an XJ in the 90s (first the transmission when, the engine went - all before 80k) and considered a GC and did the research. But your denial that Toyota releases cars with problems is just sticking your head in the sand. We have a 2020 Rav 4 Hybrid. It was the second year of the new model and the second year Toyota sold that car while knowing it had a faulty fuel tank that prevented it from filling all the way. Affected damn near everyone one of them. There was also a recall for the suspension.
Toyota ain't perfect. But you know, I'm sure it was the way we drove it or b/c we had a kid in the car.

 

[mscot]

For those with suggestions, thank you.
If the Highlander came in a Prime with a decent amount of torque, I might consider it but the current versions are a bit anemic for me - most of our road trips will be in higher altitude. I really wish the new GX was out!
I really don't like Honday/Acura interiors and for that price you should love it. so that rules out the MDX.
I may stretch the budget a bit and look at Volvo/BMW/Audi - I've always had very good experiences with VWs despite the common opinion of their quality. Maybe I'll do some test drives in July. Have a couple friends with Q7s that are really nice drives.

 

[engineeer]

I traded my 2017 4Runner TRD Pro for a ~1 year old CPO 2017 Range Rover Sport Autobiography (SCV8 with 510hp) and have been very happy with the decision.

It goes everywhere my 4Runner went off-road (great traction system), is quick (0-60 in 5 seconds), stops well (big Brembos all around), is incredibly comfortable and feature packed, gets great gas mileage for what it is (15mpg city, 19-20mpg highway with big A/T tires--both figures better than my 4Runner), and has been reliable through ~52k miles (been to the shop twice for regular service intervals and a software update).

Obviously there's a fairly large MSRP difference between the vehicles, but I got a great deal on the lightly used RRS so it wasn't quite as jarring.

I do hope to return to the 4Runner platform at some point, so I'm waiting anxiously for the 6th Gen to be announced/released. Either that or the LC300/Lexus variant. Possibly the next gen GX as well--big fan of Lexus interiors.

 

[Thai]

I don’t know how it’s driven or the regular drivers of your vehicles so it’s a logical question. A Sienna really has nothing to do with a 4runner or Jeep product though.

I was answering your remark(s) about Toyota quality. Is a freaking minivan…who drives it hard??!! ��

FYI…i am a BIG Toyota fanboy.

 

[mnofpeace]

That's a pretty easy one...

Take my 2014, grab the $14-18k they keep offering me to trade it in...

and find me as nice as i could find it LC200 (or Lexus LX) 2009-2014...and drive it for the rest of my life.

Thing is...my T4R has been paid off for years now, so i am really loving going without a car payment.

But since you asked, the ONLY upgrade for me is a LC/LX

 

[mscot]

Yeah but the used market is way too inflated right now. I don't believe I would be better off since the only reason I'm considering it right now is that I could sell the 4Runner so high. Wouldn't I just be selling that high only to turn around and purchase a different used car at a high price?

 

[Thai]

Yeah but the used market is way too inflated right now. I don't believe I would be better off since the only reason I'm considering it right now is that I could sell the 4Runner so high. Wouldn't I just be selling that high only to turn around and purchase a different used car at a high price?

Exactly. The only real benefit is if you have a 2nd vehicle that you can drive for now until the bubble burst…then buy.

 

[MN_Pat]

If I followed there still needs to be size for family and camping but no offroad plans. Since there's no offroad needed then the focus should be for on road manners(rules out Jeep) with a splash of AWD. I saw a mention of altitude so snow is a consideration.

My dad has that MDX and similar requirements. First and foremost it needs to be comfortable for a multi-hour drive(76 years old and a not so good back). Check. Good tires and AWD system if he ever actually comes back north in winter, Check. Third row for when grandkids show up. Check. Decent acceleration, Check. Some prefer the Lexus RX or Highlander counterpart and that works too. He also bought a lightly used Cadillac in the same size class this winter.

While not my cup of tea the MDX hits a lot of boxes and sounds like similar needs. All of these are better on road than my 4Runner, though not nearly as cool:wink2:

When you get right down to it there's only a handful of vehicles in this class. Another option is to move up to the full size SUV, Sequoia, Tahoe/Yukon, etc. Might need to be lightly used to fit under the price requirements.

 

[Grauman1985]

Looking at those RAV4 Hybrids or Prime

 

[Grauman1985]

RAV4 Prime.....just deciding on SE or XSE trim...

 

[mscot]

We already have a Rav4 hybrid. It's fun for town (it's the wife's car) but we want something larger for road trips and honestly something that is quieter - more luxe. I've decided to hold off until after the new workshop is built next spring so I can get the full use of the garage back to storing cars.
Should have a better idea of the new GX by then as well as whatever that Highlander XL and if they will be doing a Prime version in the next year. Or may just get an X5.

 

[Nick Nostril]

Highlander. More available features than the 4R, better on the road (I'm assuming), and Toyota quality. Having said that, I won't be getting rid of my 4R for a couple more decades.

 

[Natey]

If you ever want or need to go offroad, say across sand or through deep mud, I don't think there are too many vehicles that can replace a 4runner.

The wrangler ergonomics and the way it drives makes you think it was designed in the 30s or something, and a pick up truck is no replacement for a 5th gen 4runner.

I wonder how those new Broncos are on the beach. :usa2:

 

[Harlock]

This may sound off the wall, but given what you've said about your preferences so far, you might want to give the Kia Telluride a look. Here's Car & Driver's long-term 40,000 mile review.

 

[mscot]

Wife had a Hyundai Tucson before the Rav4.

Horrible car.
Horrible service.
Horrible company.

I'll never own a Korean car again.

 

[fourfive]

If I had to replace our 5th gen it would be a Tundra crewmax SR5 or Land cruiser (96+).

Since I tend to buy cars that I plan on keeping, I gravitate towards base models, if available, for simplicity & to avoid electrical issues but if I knew I was going to change vehicles every few years I'd include a 4th gen GMC Yukon & 3rd gen F250 crew cab diesel into my options. All in 4WD.

 

[Bry n]

I don’t know…for me, i rather get Rubicon 392…FULL-time 4wd system, solid axles, lockers everywhere, amazing articulation, along with long heritage.

That long heritage is out the door with Jeep being Chrysler Fiat owned