Who Actually Follows 10,000 mile oil change schedule?

[willbgood]

No reason to swap out OEM. Unless someone could prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that another filter is far superior than OEM I'm not going to change. Plus I get a good discount at the dealer. Just swing by the parts department when the sales coupon comes in the mail. I buy my Mobil 1 at Baxter Auto because it's much cheaper for me with my company discount.

I get a really good discount at my toy dealer. My decision was based on the false belief that since the mobile filter is better than the Harley brand, it must be better than Toyotas...there I go comparing my Harleys to Toyota's again...

If you haven't taken a an FLHPI down a jeep trail, you have lived...or you didn't live to talk about it...

 

[1engineer]

I get a really good discount at my toy dealer. My decision was based on the false belief that since the mobile filter is better than the Harley brand, it must be better than Toyotas...there I go comparing my Harleys to Toyota's again...

If you haven't taken a an FLHPI down a jeep trail, you have lived...or you didn't live to talk about it...

There is no comparison. Actually the Toyota branded oil is a bit better than Mobil 1 too. Not by much but if you want the absolute best for your 4Runner go OEM on both. Go to bobistheoilguy and read the data there.

 

[77Bronc]

There is no comparison. Actually the Toyota branded oil is a bit better than Mobil 1 too. Not by much but if you want the absolute best for your 4Runner go OEM on both. Go to bobistheoilguy and read the data there.

I do not know who makes the oil for Toyota, chances are it is Mobil. Even though I am very biased, there is not a better oil for your vehicle than Mobil1. Period. Friends went through the Amsoil, Royal Purple, Castrol Syntec phase/craze and all came back to Mobil1. I know first hand the amount of money and research that goes into this product.

Insiders will tell you that Exxon merged with Mobil for Mobil's lubrication technology.

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[stir_fry_boy]

I do not know who makes the oil for Toyota, chances are it is Mobil. Even though I am very biased, there is not a better oil for your vehicle than Mobil1. Period. Friends went through the Amsoil, Royal Purple, Castrol Syntec phase/craze and all came back to Mobil1. I know first hand the amount of money and research that goes into this product.

Insiders will tell you that Exxon merged with Mobil for Mobil's lubrication technology.

77

Usually valvoline makes Toyota branded oil(s), and adds different friction modifiers or additives designed for Toyota engines. That's my understanding.

 

[willbgood]

I do not know who makes the oil for Toyota, chances are it is Mobil. Even though I am very biased, there is not a better oil for your vehicle than Mobil1. Period. Friends went through the Amsoil, Royal Purple, Castrol Syntec phase/craze and all came back to Mobil1. I know first hand the amount of money and research that goes into this product.

Insiders will tell you that Exxon merged with Mobil for Mobil's lubrication technology.

77

I know of a racing team, that runs Mobile 1. They use their sponsors empty barrels, and fill them with Mobile 1. The sponsor is aware of this and only a few people know. I heard it from the sponsor, while smoking cigars and drinking good scotch with him.

I was also aware of a team that does the same with Amsoil, (at least they did 5 years ago).

I will never tell who, or what series, as oil men, and racers, are pretty tough bunch.

 

[77Bronc]

Usually valvoline makes Toyota branded oil(s), and adds different friction modifiers or additives designed for Toyota engines. That's my understanding.

I just read on a website the Toyota Oil bottles have Mobil on the back in fine print. I am going to look at a bottle when I go to the dealer.

I will stick with Mobil1. Last time is used Valvoline was in my 1968 Camaro back in high school. Also in my 1971 Datsun 240Z.

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[stir_fry_boy]

I just read on a website the Toyota Oil bottles have Mobil on the back in fine print. I am going to look at a bottle when I go to the dealer.

I will stick with Mobil1. Last time is used Valvoline was in my 1968 Camaro back in high school. Also in my 1971 Datsun 240Z.

77

So why not use OEM oil if the base is Mobil 1?

 

[willbgood]

So why not use OEM oil if the base is Mobil 1?

Mobile may make it, but it might not be Mobile 1?

 

[1engineer]

I do not know who makes the oil for Toyota, chances are it is Mobil. Even though I am very biased, there is not a better oil for your vehicle than Mobil1. Period. Friends went through the Amsoil, Royal Purple, Castrol Syntec phase/craze and all came back to Mobil1. I know first hand the amount of money and research that goes into this product.

Insiders will tell you that Exxon merged with Mobil for Mobil's lubrication technology.

77

It doesn't matter who makes it as long as it is made to their (Toyota) specs and they use the correct base and additives. I spec hydraulic fluids and lube in my job. I have met with some of the top fluid specialists in the world and for a light duty cycle vehicle like our 4Runners, as long as you change the oil with the proper viscosity, type and duration as called for in the manual it will not matter one bit what you use as far as longevity. Filtration is the most important part of the long life equation. Oil is like tires - as long as you get a decent brand name and follow OEM specs you will be fine. People make way too big of a deal out of both things. Tires and oil, what a religion.

 

[77Bronc]

I've always said that three topics to avoid if you don't want to start an argument are religion, politics and brands of engine oil.

I agree, 100%. Since I am in Louisiana I will add a fourth, who has the better crawfish boil recipe....

We will leave it as: change your oil, use an oil that meets or exceeds specifications, change your filter, follow the PM program, enjoy your 4Runner

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[cjacob316]

It doesn't matter who makes it as long as it is made to their (Toyota) specs and they use the correct base and additives. I spec hydraulic fluids and lube in my job. I have met with some of the top fluid specialists in the world and for a light duty cycle vehicle like our 4Runners, as long as you change the oil with the proper viscosity, type and duration as called for in the manual it will not matter one bit what you use as far as longevity. Filtration is the most important part of the long life equation. Oil is like tires - as long as you get a decent brand name and follow OEM specs you will be fine. People make way too big of a deal out of both things. Tires and oil, what a religion.

They sign his paychecks, of course he's going to push them.

 

[lilsid112]

I think the 3rd gens are worse to change the oil in.

My father's 3rd gen is a four cylinder not sure about the sixes but its one of the easiest actually. With an oil filter removal tool and an extension I can easily remove and instal and a new filter. Of course draining and filling the oil is simple as well.

The 5th gen becomes a hassle when you have to remove the factory armor to again access to the oil filter cartridge.

My mom and dad have a two Toyotas, a 2008 Tacoma with 42,000 miles and a 2009 Corolla with 31,000 miles, dad changes the oil twice a year, I bring him jugs of oil and he does the rest.

He and I both know this is very excessive, but he enjoys doing this. He also went through 5 or 6 of the cheap oil filter sockets before I bought him a $60 one from Toyota...he is hard headed.

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Understandable, there are a few things my father is pretty set with as well. It'll never hurt to get an oil analysis done to check the health of his used oil.

 

[willbgood]

They sign his paychecks, of course he's going to push them.

Yep that's why he just said any oil that is changed regularly and is to spec, is fine...because mobile pays his pay check and Mobil wants you to change your oil with the competitions as long as it to spec...makes perfect sense.

 

[turdpro]

I am a senior machinery engineer for ExxonMobil, we have oil systems that are under tremendous stress and we never change the oil unless the quarterly analysis says we have an issue...

BUT that is not how I run my stuff...in 1990 I was at one of our labs when a BMW engine that had 1 million miles with Mobil1 was disassembled and it was within original tolerance. If I am not mistaken, the oil change interval was above 10,000 miles.

Fyi, not that it matters a whole lot if you change your oil regularly, but the Mobil1 formulation used then on that BMW was a better formulation than any Mobil1 that you buy today in the US. You can thank Castrol for that. In the US you can label any oil "full synthetic" even if it contains tweaked dino oils (Group 3).

 

[willbgood]

Fyi, not that it matters a whole lot if you change your oil regularly, but the Mobil1 formulation used then on that BMW was a better formulation than any Mobil1 that you buy today in the US. You can thank Castrol for that. QUOTE]

Why thank Castrol?

 

[Jernik]

It doesn't matter who makes it as long as it is made to their (Toyota) specs and they use the correct base and additives. I spec hydraulic fluids and lube in my job. I have met with some of the top fluid specialists in the world and for a light duty cycle vehicle like our 4Runners, as long as you change the oil with the proper viscosity, type and duration as called for in the manual it will not matter one bit what you use as far as longevity. Filtration is the most important part of the long life equation. Oil is like tires - as long as you get a decent brand name and follow OEM specs you will be fine. People make way too big of a deal out of both things. Tires and oil, what a religion.

You see, that's where you're mistaken, my friend. As an internet user and faithful (insert favorite brand motor oil/tires) follower, it is my DUTY to save you all from yourselves and convert you to MY way of thinking! For MY way is the path to peak performance and vehicle longevity! Do not be fooled by unscrupulous individuals who want to see your precious 4 Runner damaged prematurely by using other products so they can profit from your ill fate! Follow me, my children, I will show you the way to maximum trouble free miles of Heavenly 4 Runner Bliss!

:lol:

To be on topic, my first 10K is coming up. Wife asked me why I was gathering parts/oil to do it myself when I have the freebies from the dealer. I just said "because I want to know what's in it, and ensure it is done to my satisfaction."

 

[turdpro]

Fyi, not that it matters a whole lot if you change your oil regularly, but the Mobil1 formulation used then on that BMW was a better formulation than any Mobil1 that you buy today in the US. You can thank Castrol for that. QUOTE]

Why thank Castrol?

In the US, Castrol won a lawsuit filed by Mobil (who was only using PAO/Ester/AN Group 4/5 oils in M1) allowing them (Castrol) to use Group 3 oils (dino oils which have been treated) and call the oils "fully synthetic." To remain competitive in the US, Mobil dummed down all their Group 4/5 Mobil1 formulations sold here.

 

[Large Saints Fan]

In the US, Castrol won a lawsuit filed by Mobil (who was only using PAO/Ester/AN Group 4/5 oils in M1) allowing them (Castrol) to use Group 3 oils (dino oils which have been treated) and call the oils "fully synthetic." To remain competitive in the US, Mobil dummed down all their Group 4/5 Mobil1 formulations sold here.

If this is the case, then which oils in the US are actually full synthetic.

 

[willbgood]

In the US, Castrol won a lawsuit filed by Mobil (who was only using PAO/Ester/AN Group 4/5 oils in M1) allowing them (Castrol) to use Group 3 oils (dino oils which have been treated) and call the oils "fully synthetic." To remain competitive in the US, Mobil dummed down all their Group 4/5 Mobil1 formulations sold here.

Can you direct me to information that I can read on this?

 

[Jernik]

Here's one bit I found.

The Myth of the Mobil 1 v Castrol lawsuit | Passenger Car Motor Oil (PCMO) - Gasoline Cars/Pickups/Vans/SUVs | Bob Is The Oil Guy