who wants to go wheeling?
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Hey fellas.... So quick question regarding these Toytec lifts...
I've seen the Boss and the Ultimate referenced... Is the Boss the higher level kit?
Is this Kit below what some of you guys run? Solid setup?
http:// toyteclifts.3dcartstores.com/BOSS-Suspension-System-for-10-4Runner-and-FJ-_p_1060.html#
And [MENTION=112004]lofreqjeff[/MENTION] those are some really great photo's.... Ugh lol, I just don't know how often I'm going to be able to join you guys with the current stock height/tires and running boards :redbrick:
I've seen the Boss and the Ultimate referenced... Is the Boss the higher level kit?
Is this Kit below what some of you guys run? Solid setup?
http:// toyteclifts.3dcartstores.com/BOSS-Suspension-System-for-10-4Runner-and-FJ-_p_1060.html#
And [MENTION=112004]lofreqjeff[/MENTION] those are some really great photo's.... Ugh lol, I just don't know how often I'm going to be able to join you guys with the current stock height/tires and running boards :redbrick:
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cf_coder
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I don't run the BOSS kit, but the one just a step below. They've recently changed the BOSS kit to include a Toytec branded shocks in the front and rear. They claim the shock in the BOSS kit is fully rebuildable, so you should plan on that needing to be done at around 50K miles depending on how hard you run them... They also don't state who actually makes their shocks, so I can't say anything on the reliability. It is Toytec though and they are pretty good about standing behind their products.
The Ultimate kit that I have uses standard Bilstein 5100s for both front and rear. These are lifetime components that can't be rebuilt but are warranted for the life of the product by Bilstein. Like the BOSS kit, the Ultimate is fully adjustable so you can deal with the "Toyota Lean" by adjusting the driver side coil-over slightly higher than the passenger. The adjustable spring perch is what sets this one apart from the basic Bilstein lift that only has a series of 5 circlip stops for adjusting the height of the lift. In reality, if you're not going to really wheel the hell out of your 4Runner, you're just wasting money on top o'the line products that have a much more rigorous maintenance cycle.
I wouldn't really worry much about a lift and running boards... the running boards can be removed quite easily. Just need a 12mm ratchet with an extender and around 20 minutes to remove the bolts. Viola'! No more running boards. Removing them was actually the very first "mod" that I made to my runner. And I've been all over the place in mine with this crew before I even put the lift on. Ran Devil's staircase up at Broken Arrow and everything. So, don't worry too much about being stock. We've all been there and we're not going to run you through anything that your truck can't make. Your own personal butt pucker will limit you much more than the capabilities of your stock truck will...
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The Ultimate kit that I have uses standard Bilstein 5100s for both front and rear. These are lifetime components that can't be rebuilt but are warranted for the life of the product by Bilstein. Like the BOSS kit, the Ultimate is fully adjustable so you can deal with the "Toyota Lean" by adjusting the driver side coil-over slightly higher than the passenger. The adjustable spring perch is what sets this one apart from the basic Bilstein lift that only has a series of 5 circlip stops for adjusting the height of the lift. In reality, if you're not going to really wheel the hell out of your 4Runner, you're just wasting money on top o'the line products that have a much more rigorous maintenance cycle.
I wouldn't really worry much about a lift and running boards... the running boards can be removed quite easily. Just need a 12mm ratchet with an extender and around 20 minutes to remove the bolts. Viola'! No more running boards. Removing them was actually the very first "mod" that I made to my runner. And I've been all over the place in mine with this crew before I even put the lift on. Ran Devil's staircase up at Broken Arrow and everything. So, don't worry too much about being stock. We've all been there and we're not going to run you through anything that your truck can't make. Your own personal butt pucker will limit you much more than the capabilities of your stock truck will...
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AZBub
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Lots of people run the Toytec and I saw that you can now get a true coilover like the King, ICON, SwayAway, Radflo shock with the BOSS. Just keep in mind if you are planing on buying a coilover for primarily a mall crawler that comes with certainly high level of lameness. "DUDE, Look at my cement curb articulation"
It really sounds like you want descent offroad-ability and good road manners. To me that says Bilstein.
My vote for you would be the Ultimate, a good solid Bilstein front shock and I believe a BOSS shock in the rear if its anything like the 3rd gen kit, otherwise another nice set of Bilstein.
Besides later down the road if you are at that point where you need to get more extreme you will make a descent return on used suspension equipment. Doesn't seem to be up for all too long on the forum, trust me...been trying to score some Land Cruiser rear coils for a while and keep missing the feeding frenzy.
It really sounds like you want descent offroad-ability and good road manners. To me that says Bilstein.
My vote for you would be the Ultimate, a good solid Bilstein front shock and I believe a BOSS shock in the rear if its anything like the 3rd gen kit, otherwise another nice set of Bilstein.
Besides later down the road if you are at that point where you need to get more extreme you will make a descent return on used suspension equipment. Doesn't seem to be up for all too long on the forum, trust me...been trying to score some Land Cruiser rear coils for a while and keep missing the feeding frenzy.
Yea I think the first thing I buy for the runner at this point.... Will most likely be Sliders. Was just looking at the Metal techs off a referral but still don't even know what else is out there for options. But I do want to get rid of these running boards sooner then later, and get some sliders on. Then I can keep thinking about WTH I'll want to do regarding a lift :wacko:
If I can find a SUPER SOLID, relatively affordable non rebuild type suspension that comes with a lifetime guarantee... That actually sounds like something RIGHT UP MY ALLEY!
So in the past 3 weeks I've gotten vaguely more familiar with general products and brands of different things available for our trucks, now I am working on trying to better understand the various levels that exist within the brands.... I see a lot of talk around the 5100's and also some references to the 6112's? I really think if these bilstein products come like your saying as non rebuilds with lifetime warranty's I'd be more interested going down that road.
And to touch on a point you mentioned regarding "Wheeling the hell out of it or not" ..... I can say with certainty that I'm not turning this into a crawler lol, this is and will continue to be my daily driver, family rig when folks come in town, but I do want to get off the pavement from time to time and have a little fun... So thats kind of where I'm at with how the lift/mods will apply
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AZBub
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Those look like pretty tame trails to me. I would have run those with my saggy stock suspension and my running boards on. I say you join up with us next Sunday for some fun, besides its a really good chance to see in person what works, how it works etc. You will also be with some folks who really know what they are doing off road and will help you on your driving (Im excluding myself from the list though cause Im still learning
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AZBub
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Check these sliders out...
5th Gen Toyota 4Runner Rock Sliders, 2010-2015
Shrockworks makes some nice stuff, they are bolt on and strong enough. They are real sliders, not some show pony thing as well.
5th Gen Toyota 4Runner Rock Sliders, 2010-2015
Shrockworks makes some nice stuff, they are bolt on and strong enough. They are real sliders, not some show pony thing as well.
And damn... As always you guys kick ass, the feedback is invaluable as I continue to wrap my head around this new rig.
Ohh and yea [MENTION=122900]AZBub[/MENTION] lol, I can assure you I'm not trying to Mall crawl, agreed on level of lameness haha.. Maybe newb/chump level stuff, but I've even ALREADY taken the 4runner off pavement twice since I've had it which is barely a month! :whoo: I love it. I cruised up north from lake pleasant a little bit on castle hot springs, and then did the little trail to devils bridge in Sedona. I'm sure to you guys both of those are considered "Cute" at best haha, but I still loved not being on pavement.
Ohh and yea [MENTION=122900]AZBub[/MENTION] lol, I can assure you I'm not trying to Mall crawl, agreed on level of lameness haha.. Maybe newb/chump level stuff, but I've even ALREADY taken the 4runner off pavement twice since I've had it which is barely a month! :whoo: I love it. I cruised up north from lake pleasant a little bit on castle hot springs, and then did the little trail to devils bridge in Sedona. I'm sure to you guys both of those are considered "Cute" at best haha, but I still loved not being on pavement.
AZBub
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The first off roading my wife and I did was up and over 4 peaks and we thought that was "intense" cause I had to use 4Lo once...I think that was May this year. All I can say is its addicting cause of the building of your vehicle but also the people you meet, the things you see and the challenges you put yourself up to.
I'd LOVE to! But a bummer being next Sunday since I have family coming in town. But yea I'm for sure down to come out SOON to meet you guys and get my feet wet with a little trail time. This month has been tough, since we JUST had people in for a week, we had a week to ourselves to catch back up and now family coming in for almost 2 weeks lol. But end of August I should really free up quite a bit more.
Those look like pretty tame trails to me. I would have run those with my saggy stock suspension and my running boards on. I say you join up with us next Sunday for some fun, besides its a really good chance to see in person what works, how it works etc. You will also be with some folks who really know what they are doing off road and will help you on your driving (Im excluding myself from the list though cause Im still learning
Ohh I can see that FOR SURE!
Actually your "4Lo" comment made me laugh... Kind of the same thing when we did that trail to devils bridge, I was in freaking 2wd practically the ENTIRE time ha.... We got to one spot where there was a bit of a "Step" type passing and I decided to just use 4Lo... I swear though, I'd bet I could have gotten through it in 2WD lol. Only thing during that WHOLE trail that puckered me was when I tapped the running boards once haha. I was like WTH!
But it was My wife and I and our 2 friends in the truck and everybody had such a good time just bouncing around for a bit, and I loved every second of it! My wife had actually done this previously with her 3 other girlfriends one of which her husband lent her his jeep cherokee that was lifted with tires... I was talking to my wife and I guess this girl banged the cherokees chassis off the rocks QUITE A FEW TIMES even with the lift/tires!? eeeeek!
My wife was pretty funny actually... like all kinds of supportive at the end when we drove out, she was like "Babe... you did really good!" :biggrin1:
But yea man, as far as what you said:
"All I can say is its addicting cause of the building of your vehicle but also the people you meet, the things you see and the challenges you put yourself up to."
I couldn't imagine saying it any better, and those are the exact elements of it that I'm looking forward to.
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AZBub
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I know this is irrelevant to trail rides but if these pics for the 2016 4runner calendar don't make you want to "get out there" I don't know what would! Im bias towards the 3rd gens though.
http://www.toyota-4runner.org/3rd-gen-t4rs/203382-2016-calender.html
http://www.toyota-4runner.org/3rd-gen-t4rs/203382-2016-calender.html
lol, Ohh I'm all for being away from the paved roads of redundant normalcy haha.... Getting away for an afternoon here and there... So refreshing.
So on that note... would anyone call me crazy or have suggestions in regards to what it would take to finish off a lift build for me if I where to consider doing:
The Bilstein 6112's up front and the 5160's in the back?
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So on that note... would anyone call me crazy or have suggestions in regards to what it would take to finish off a lift build for me if I where to consider doing:
The Bilstein 6112's up front and the 5160's in the back?
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stir_fry_boy
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Love to join as well next weekend.
I'm thinking of doing these or 5100s all around with 2" springs in the rear, then 285s.
Also, I might be in for the 16th as well. I'm bone stock though, am I going to have any trouble on the trail you guys are doing?
What time is everyone meeting up?
AZ4Running
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I want to wheel so bad but time and work have not been letting me. Soon i hope i can get out again with you guys and have some off road fun
AZBub
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You won't have any trouble on the proposed trails. Don't have the time or the meeting place lined up just yet.
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