Who will win the Rose Bowl- USC or Texas?

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Texas will win in a tight one. USC plays in a weak sister conference and could never go undefeated in the SEC! They are the only good team in a conference that would basically be the Mountain West Conference without them.
 
Texas wins!

Long-time UT fan and EX so........biased to the extreme......but I like our chances. I believe our offense will be able to score enough points. The question is how our defense handles USC offense. If we can force some turnovers on D or special teams, then look out.
 
I am praying for a nuclear attack on those two teams, but that is highly unlikely.

I think USC will win their SECOND national title. Anyone who thinks they are going for a three-peat, I ask you to show me their two crystal balls from 2003 & 2004. You can't, because the true national champ in 2003 was LSU!

It's the BCS, STUPID!

It's the BCS, stupid!

By Dan Wetzel, Yahoo! Sports
December 22, 2005

The surest bet of college football's annual overload of wild and woolly bowl action is simple, Southern California will not capture a third consecutive national championship, no matter what everyone keeps saying.

Oh, the Trojans may defeat Texas in January's Rose Bowl, host site for this season's Bowl Championship Series title game, but only hype or revisionist history says it would mean a three-peat for SC.

A second title? Sure. Pete Carroll's team whipped Oklahoma last year in the title game to win it all. Do it again and you get back-to-back.

But that certainly isn't three, because the year before it was LSU coach Nick Saban (not Carroll) who hoisted that ugly glass football that goes to the "champion" of the national system that each Division I-A football program (USC included) agrees each season to play under.

Why everyone is saying otherwise is beyond me.

Regular readers know that you can't oppose or detest the BCS more than I do. They also know that in December of 2003 we called Oklahoma's selection over USC into the title game against LSU "a fraud."

But our sympathy to SC's plight back then doesn't change the basic reality of sports, namely that the rules are the rules are the rules. In 2003, just as last year and this one, USC and its representatives of the Pacific 10 Conference, agreed that the system of determining the national champion of college football was the BCS.

That's how all sports work. Before the start of the season, everyone gets together and determines how to crown a champion. Some leagues, such as the NBA or NHL, have a series of playoff series. Some, such as the NFL, have a single elimination tournament. Some, such as NCAA hoops, have bigger fields. Some, such as major league baseball, have smaller ones.

College football's is the most controversial because it is the most ridiculous, designed to protect long standing power and profit in six major conferences (including the Pac 10) rather than equitably determining a champion. Fans hate it. Players hate it. Most coaches hate it.

None of which matters. The powers-that-be who count the money love it, or at least love it enough to agree to it every year. And back in 2003, once Pac 10 Commissioner Tom Hansen, on behalf of USC, did that, the Trojans had to live with the result.

That meant a complicated formula weighing computer stats and human polls determined that LSU and Oklahoma got to play in the championship game even though they, like, USC, had suffered a loss. Most people thought USC was better than OU, but the system factored more than what most people thought. The computers liked OU and once that happened, USC had no claim, ever, to the 2003 national championship.

Yes, the Trojans wound up being crowned champs by the Associated Press pollsters, which is fine and dandy, but that has no official bearing on anything. Before the 1997 creation of the BCS, the AP was about all anyone had, so it is understandable why teams cited its results. But post-'97 it is meaningless.

The agreed upon system was and is the BCS, not the BCS or a popularity contest if it turns out a certain team doesn't like the BCS. You can't rewrite the rules after the fact just because it benefits you.

Now, we understand why the Trojans would lay claim to the 2003 title. The BCS is so pathetic, untrustworthy and impossibly bad, it is human nature to just selectively ignore it. But intellectually it doesn't work that way. The official 2003 champion was LSU.

Why the media says (and will say it a million times in the next two weeks) USC won it all that year is baffling because it certainly isn't factual. I guess if everyone repeats the lie long enough, they no longer think they are lying. Who knows?

It is not like the silly formula hasn't assisted SC through the years. While it is my opinion the BCS screwed them back in 2003, it's also my opinion that it helped them last year. It was then that the formula decided that USC and Oklahoma should play for the title while three other undefeated teams sat out, Utah, Boise State and, most formidably, Auburn.

USC pounded an OU team that was the puffed up product of a weak Big Twelve Conference. It wasn't the Trojans fault, but the reality is they got a cupcake championship game. Considering what Auburn's two great running backs (Ronnie Brown and Cadillac Williams) are currently doing to NFL defenses, is there any doubt the Tigers would have been a much more formidable opponent?

That's the thing with the BCS, some years it helps, some years it hurts. Given the chance, maybe USC would have won it all in 2003. But maybe Auburn would have won it in 2004. We'll never know.

As long as we have the system we have, we can only go with the facts, no matter what the newspapers and television analysts say. In this case, USC and their 34-game and two-Heisman win streak are gunning for their second consecutive national title.

Win the Rose Bowl and next season they can go for the three-peat.
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Ooops you're right. The BCS and those polls are a joke but only Auburn really had a chance against SC last year.

College football needs a playoff system period and these BCS flaws will only effect the #9 and lower teams.:D
 
turbomech7 said:
Predictions, folks?

Y'all know where I stand ;):
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USuC will probably win the game by 10 or more for thier SECOND BCS title in 3 yrs; but I am rooting for the Longhornies!

The majority of the nation knows that the 2003 BCS NCAA National champion LSU Bayou Bengal Tigers would have put an :whipping2 on the USuC Trojans! That Peter Pan Carroll coached team would have been screaming for :help: and on thier knees :bowdown: the BCS champion LSU Tigers after the '03 Sugar Bowl.

The USC alumni, players, coaches and fans should quit trying to paint :artist: a phony picture of being three-peat champions!
Pesky "xmas" Carroll, Matt-ie Lyingheart, and Regina-l Bushman all know that they had PUMPed up #1 ranked teams in 2003 and 2004. If the system had really worked........USC would probably be still trying to win thier first national championship against Texas this year after posting losses two years in a row against SEC/BCS champs 2003 LSU and 2004 Auburn!

And yes....both teams call themselves the Tigers! There's plenty of room on the bayou for two Tigers to roam freely. :D
 
Zaraspook said:
Texas will win in a tight one. USC plays in a weak sister conference and could never go undefeated in the SEC! They are the only good team in a conference that would basically be the Mountain West Conference without them.
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Oh, and Texas isn't in a cupcake conference?? They played freaking Colorado in the Big12 championship and won 70-3. What's that say about the Big12?
 
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fo'runner said:
USuC will probably win the game by 10 or more for thier SECOND BCS title in 3 yrs; but I am rooting for the Longhornies!

The majority of the nation knows that the 2003 BCS NCAA National champion LSU Bayou Bengal Tigers would have put an :whipping2 on the USuC Trojans! That Peter Pan Carroll coached team would have been screaming for :help: and on thier knees :bowdown: the BCS champion LSU Tigers after the '03 Sugar Bowl.

The USC alumni, players, coaches and fans should quit trying to paint :artist: a phony picture of being three-peat champions!
Pesky "xmas" Carroll, Matt-ie Lyingheart, and Regina-l Bushman all know that they had PUMPed up #1 ranked teams in 2003 and 2004. If the system had really worked........USC would probably be still trying to win thier first national championship against Texas this year after posting losses two years in a row against SEC/BCS champs 2003 LSU and 2004 Auburn!

And yes....both teams call themselves the Tigers! There's plenty of room on the bayou for two Tigers to roam freely. :D
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There's NO way LSU or Auburn beats USC either this season or last season. What bothers me about people who are such die-hard fans of their teams is their head gets clouded by emotion and they lose their sense of reality. USC is the best college football team in the country this year and has been the past 2 years, which they will validate tonight in their 35-17 win over Texas. I'm making the call right now.
 
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what a game, huh? awesome game. A couple miscalls, a few mistakes, made a close game. Texas outplayed USC where it counted.
 
alpha said:
what a game, huh? awesome game. A couple miscalls, a few mistakes, made a close game. Texas outplayed USC where it counted.
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What an exciting game. I really didn't care who won, but it was a great game to watch. Vince Young is something!!
 
Mark86 said:
What an exciting game. I really didn't care who won, but it was a great game to watch. Vince Young is something!!
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yeah same here. i thought usc would win, but wanted texas to win, but was really hoping the game would be close and exciting.

yeah, Vince Young, crazy.. over 1000 rushing yards for a QB. crazy..

now hopefully the superbowl will be that exciting..
 
We will see...a lot of these athletic QBs in college don't amount to much in the NFL because the game is a lot faster there. A prime example is Michael Vick...tremendous athlete, canon arm, decent brain power...but he is simply incapable of elevating his team to the next level.
 
Great Victory!

And no one, I mean literally no one outside of homers like myself predicted we would win. People who haven't seen VY in person just do not get how good he is. You could see in the last two posessions. There was no one who could stop him. He's done that for 2 years now over and over and over.

35years in the waiting. I was 6 last championship and it was a thrill to wake up my 6 y/o boy and show him the final score.

Tired today, though!

Hook 'Em
 
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OUTRNNR said:
There's NO way LSU or Auburn beats USC either this season or last season. What bothers me about people who are such die-hard fans of their teams is their head gets clouded by emotion and they lose their sense of reality. USC is the best college football team in the country this year and has been the past 2 years, which they will validate tonight in their 35-17 win over Texas. I'm making the call right now.
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Well, I stand corrected. I guess I forgot to account for a minor detail by the name of Vince Young in my prediction, is he unreal or what? I'm not a huge fan of either team, although I did believe USC would win, but I'm happy to see Mack Brown and Texas take one home. What a game!
 
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