Will you keep your 4runner if gas hits $8 a gallon?

[Horsethief]

Sure, but how does it actually feel to drive that engine, in a much heavier vehicle, when you're needing the high end of its torque (at altitude, going up a pass)? It's not going to be a good driving experience.

I'd wager it'll be a better driving experience than the four liter. The 4L is really weak down low, whereas the numbers I'm seeing on this turbo motor show that it has good low end torque. Also, turbo is better at high altitude than N)A, so it'll probably do much better than the 4L.

 

[Rsbhunter]

Gas prices

I hope that the people that are looking at an electric vehicle realize that the travel times will be alot longer , for a long trip, than a gas vehicle. Problem is that alot of people just jump on the "being part of a movement" wagon...If the president hadn't sworn to shut down the oil industry, maybe the prices would be in the affordable range..rsbhunter

 

[Flyer]

Similar to the gun forum, this is not the place to "explain" the economics and geopolitical impacts of the war. I'll leave that to the brilliant economists on TV who are so popular.

Non-oil vehicles are absolutely the future....battery tech is going to get much more efficient. Chargers already are and are going up in the thousands. Yeah, don't hold your breath in Elk City Oklahoma for a while though. Companies like Charge Point are putting scrambling and competing to put in fast chargers all over major routes and cities. I'm loving this. While we have significantly reduced out oil and plastic and synthetics consumption just by modifying a few things, and taking remote jobs, I'd love to never visit a gas station again or buy gallons of oil to change the motor oil. Demand destruction of oil is needed. Ironic that my first few years after college was spent at BP Amoco.

 

[Bluesky 07]

Similar to the gun forum, this is not the place to "explain" the economics and geopolitical impacts of the war. I'll leave that to the brilliant economists on TV who are so popular.

Non-oil vehicles are absolutely the future....battery tech is going to get much more efficient. Chargers already are and are going up in the thousands. Yeah, don't hold your breath in Elk City Oklahoma for a while though. Companies like Charge Point are putting scrambling and competing to put in fast chargers all over major routes and cities. I'm loving this. While we have significantly reduced out oil and plastic and synthetics consumption just by modifying a few things, and taking remote jobs, I'd love to never visit a gas station again or buy gallons of oil to change the motor oil. Demand destruction of oil is needed. Ironic that my first few years after college was spent at BP Amoco.

True...eventually, as you said. Did want to mention seeing a news report about the type of advance that could sooner or later be a game-changer - roadways with inlaid charging gear that replenish the battery as you drive. There are some minor issues, like rebuilding the country's entire road/highway system but hey, baby steps, right? Of course, there's also still the problem of having to get power from somewhere to the roadbed, and needing the grid capacity to handle it in all seasons and weather. IMO, many green energy proponents talk about best case scenarios, mild weather where demand isn't high and overly optimistic estimates of wind and sun conditions. Wait until one of those deals where everyone's power is out but now they can't even go anywhere b/c they can't charge their vehicles.

 

[Flyer]

Don't need to. Just start with the concentrated urban areas and you cover 70% of the population. Get 70% with 20%. Good to go.

 

[lewdog998]

Similar to the gun forum, this is not the place to "explain" the economics and geopolitical impacts of the war. I'll leave that to the brilliant economists on TV who are so popular.

Non-oil vehicles are absolutely the future....battery tech is going to get much more efficient. Chargers already are and are going up in the thousands. Yeah, don't hold your breath in Elk City Oklahoma for a while though. Companies like Charge Point are putting scrambling and competing to put in fast chargers all over major routes and cities. I'm loving this. While we have significantly reduced out oil and plastic and synthetics consumption just by modifying a few things, and taking remote jobs, I'd love to never visit a gas station again or buy gallons of oil to change the motor oil. Demand destruction of oil is needed. Ironic that my first few years after college was spent at BP Amoco.

I am all for clean enviroment....I actually work in energy efficiency business...but the fact is, the world runs on OIL. Yes, we should strive to do better. But EV are not the magic bullet. What about the tires on the ev, the wire insulation, the interior components, the plastic between the layers of the windshield...oil is everywhere. Plus, the resources required and the ethical harvesting of those resources to make batteries is not something that everyone sees. How many children are forced into labor in third world countries mining minerals. Amnesty challenges industry leaders to clean up their batteries - Amnesty International

and think of all the things that use oil or are made from oil..are you going to give up the following...
Adhesive
Air mattresses
Ammonia
Antifreeze
Antihistamines
Antiseptics
Artificial limbs
Artificial turf
Asphalt
Aspirin
Awnings
Backpacks
Balloons
Ballpoint pens
Bandages
Beach umbrellas
Boats
Cameras
Candies and gum
Candles
Car battery cases
Car enamel
Cassettes
Caulking
CDs/computer disks
Cell phones
Clothes
Clothesline
Clothing
Coffee makers
Cold cream
Combs
Computer keyboards
Computer monitors
Cortisone
Crayons
Credit cards
Curtains
Dashboards
Denture adhesives
Dentures
Deodorant
Detergent
Dice
Dishwashing liquid
Dog collars
Drinking cups
Dyes
Electric blankets
Electrical tape
Enamel
Epoxy paint
Eyeglasses
Fan belts
Faucet washers
Fertilizers
Fishing boots
Fishing lures
Floor wax
Food preservatives
Footballs
Fuel tanks
Glue
Glycerin
Golf bags
Golf balls
Guitar strings
Hair coloring
Hair curlers
Hand lotion
Hearing aids
Heart valves
House paint
Hula hoops
Ice buckets
Ice chests
Ice cube trays
Ink
Insect repellent
Insecticides
Insulation
iPad/iPhone
Kayaks
Laptops
Life jackets
Light-weight aircraft
Lipstick
Loudspeakers
Lubricants
Luggage
Model cars
Mops
Motorcycle helmets
Movie film
Nail polish
Noise insulation
Nylon rope
Oil filters
Packaging
Paint brushes
Paint roller
Pajamas
Panty hose
Parachutes
Perfumes
Permanent press
Petroleum jelly
Pharmaceuticals
Pillow filling
Plastic toys
Plastics
Plywood adhesive
Propane
Purses
Putty
Refrigerants
Refrigerator linings
Roller skate wheels
Roofing
Rubber cement
Rubbing alcohol
Safety glasses
Shampoo
Shaving cream
Shoe polish
Shoes/sandals
Shower curtains
Skateboards
Skis
Soap dishes
Soft contact lenses
Solar panels
Solvents
Spacesuits
Sports car bodies
Sunglasses
Surf boards
Swimming pools
Synthetic rubber
Telephones
Tennis rackets
Tents
Tires
Tool boxes
Tool racks
Toothbrushes
Toothpaste
Transparent tape
Trash bags
Truck and automobile parts
Tubing
TV cabinets
Umbrellas
Unbreakable dishes
Upholstery
Vaporizers
Vinyl flooring
Vitamin capsules
Water pipes
Wind turbine blades
Yarn

 

[Flyer]

If I give up just oil consumption and synthetic clothes and plastic water and milk bottles, that is 90% of MY plastic consumption on a daily basis. Yeah, I'll give up more...no problem at all. REDUCING SIGNIFICANTLY is my mantra! I worked for Amoco, Samson, and Koch. I know oil. I know what they do. I know it needs to stop...especially gasoline/diesel.

 

[Flighht2k]

If I give up just oil consumption and synthetic clothes and plastic water and milk bottles, that is 90% of MY plastic consumption on a daily basis. Yeah, I'll give up more...no problem at all. REDUCING SIGNIFICANTLY is my mantra! I worked for Amoco, Samson, and Koch. I know oil. I know what they do. I know it needs to stop...especially gasoline/diesel.

What about the computer or phone you wrote that on?

 

[Flyer]

What about it? That isn't even a faintly cogent argument or point. That's almost as ridiculous as saying you can't protest conditions on cotton plantations while wearing cotton. That argument is weak.

It is what is is and we just kill demand by taking the steps we can. We now use maybe 75% less gas and don't buy synthetic clothes. I think we filled up gas a month ago. We don't need new tires for years and years. We put on 4K-5K instead of 30,000 miles a year. We use reusable grocery bags 90% of the time instead of 0% of the time. We don't buy plastic water bottles. We use the 5-gallon bottles in water dispensers for years now. Otherwise, we may have used thousands of water bottles. Our recycle bin is almost nothing and our trash has gone down by half. Takes time to make changes...we are and will continue.

 

[Flighht2k]

What about it? That isn't even a faintly cogent argument or point. That's almost as ridiculous as saying you can't protest conditions on cotton plantations while wearing cotton. That argument is weak.

It is what is is and we just kill demand by taking the steps we can. We now use maybe 75% less gas and don't buy synthetic clothes. I think we filled up gas a month ago. We don't need new tires for years and years. We put on 4K-5K instead of 30,000 miles a year. We use reusable grocery bags 90% of the time instead of 0% of the time. We don't buy plastic water bottles. We use the 5-gallon bottles in water dispensers for years now. Otherwise, we may have used thousands of water bottles. Our recycle bin is almost nothing and our trash has gone down by half. Takes time to make changes...we are and will continue.

[emoji1787][emoji23] ok

 

[Thai]

Similar to the gun forum, this is not the place to "explain" the economics and geopolitical impacts of the war. I'll leave that to the brilliant economists on TV who are so popular.

Non-oil vehicles are absolutely the future....battery tech is going to get much more efficient. Chargers already are and are going up in the thousands. Yeah, don't hold your breath in Elk City Oklahoma for a while though. Companies like Charge Point are putting scrambling and competing to put in fast chargers all over major routes and cities. I'm loving this. While we have significantly reduced out oil and plastic and synthetics consumption just by modifying a few things, and taking remote jobs, I'd love to never visit a gas station again or buy gallons of oil to change the motor oil. Demand destruction of oil is needed. Ironic that my first few years after college was spent at BP Amoco.

See our enlightened European friends and what a sh!thole they are in now by going away from gas & oil……

 

[Thai]

What about it? That isn't even a faintly cogent argument or point. That's almost as ridiculous as saying you can't protest conditions on cotton plantations while wearing cotton. That argument is weak.

It is what is is and we just kill demand by taking the steps we can. We now use maybe 75% less gas and don't buy synthetic clothes. I think we filled up gas a month ago. We don't need new tires for years and years. We put on 4K-5K instead of 30,000 miles a year. We use reusable grocery bags 90% of the time instead of 0% of the time. We don't buy plastic water bottles. We use the 5-gallon bottles in water dispensers for years now. Otherwise, we may have used thousands of water bottles. Our recycle bin is almost nothing and our trash has gone down by half. Takes time to make changes...we are and will continue.

Bravo on your effort. But yet, your efforts (and may cost you more) are in vain. Green efforts cost a lot and is impractical on a larger scale. Going Green will benefit our enemies and will put us in a weaker level…as exemplified by our euro friends.

China and the rest of the world will/are eating us for lunch in energy production…requiring us to go beg someone somewhere else to make more oil and pollution so that our thin-skinned citizens don’t get offended and cry bloody murder for drilling.

Our Euro friends are suffering because of idiotic fantasy-land Greta thinking. Remember the evil Russia? Who is the idiot now? Who is laughing their arse to the bank? Who is now scrambling to rebuild what they had destroyed?

 

[4Reak Show]

There’s a saying I recently heard that goes something like “the master’s tools will never dissassemble the master’s house”.

My understanding of that saying is that the system won’t be fixed using the creations of that system. As long as the changes we make still support an interesting-bearing-debt-based money system, the system will still exist. And that system requires countries to source and harvest their dwindling natural capital in order to pay their debts and literally make money (or better yet, create money?) from selling trees/land/ground water/lithium minining yadda yadda yadda yadda.

I’m glad there are folks making differences on the consumption of these items, but I’m fairly certain the problem just gets moved, and not the eliminated.

PS: EV’s are said to be the future… no one says it’s a solution however, so at least they’re being honest. Again, continuing to contribute to the failing system without even realizing it.

 

[lewdog998]

Only 20% of the EVs on the road are "green" (when you only consider propulsion and not manufacturing)

The other 80% are either nuclear powered or hydrocarbon powered.

 

[mscot]

Nuclear is green as far as I am concerned. As long as it doesn't leak and we manage the waste responsibly, it's our best large scale bet.

 

[SurferUK]

See our enlightened European friends and what a sh!thole they are in now by going away from gas & oil……

I like to remind people here that if they believe CO2 causes global warming and PUTIN MAN BAD then they should be in fits of joy that oil and gas are so expensive.

"This IS what you wanted, right? Or are you just a disgusting hypocrite virtue signaler that forgot actions = consequences?"

 

[Gamma Ray]

I hate high gas prices, but don't lose perspective of the fact that Ukraine's getting violently and unjustly invaded by Russia. Don't be a stupid twat. Stupid twats give money to Russia right now. Stupid twats give Russia any kind of win right now. If you're okay with giving money to Russia for oil, then you're a stupid twat.

And before you go "but China!", Americans started being stupid twats about China decades ago, too, and look at where that got us.

Edit: And I should add, people are selfish twats. Don't be a stupid, selfish twat. Don't be selfish. Your mom raised you better.

 

[SurferUK]

If you're okay with giving money to Russia for oil, then you're a stupid twat.

You should probably tell the countries buying Russian energy and not having energy shortages that.

I'm more worried by my own government than I am PUTIN MAN BAD, anyway...

 

[Gamma Ray]

You should probably tell the countries buying Russian energy and not having energy shortages that.

I'm more worried by my own government than I am PUTIN MAN BAD, anyway...

Put the president of Twatistan on line 1. I'm going to tell him he's a stupid, selfish twat.

Either we make sacrifices or Putin has the money to use Roscosmos's trampoline to maybe bounce a nuke at the free world. I'd rather make sacrifices. An energy shortage isn't the end of the world.

I bet you willingly gave your school bully your lunch money every day. You might've gotten *gasp* hurt! Me, I've been bruised, beaten, and bloody, stabbed, set on fire, and hit with all manner of blunt objects. I've left a trail of blood on more than one occasion, taken a shower that looked like it belonged in the Bates Motel more times than I'd like to admit, but nobody took my lunch money. People today aren't made out of sterner stuff.

 

[SurferUK]

Put the president of Twatistan on line 1. I'm going to tell him he's a stupid, selfish twat.

Either we make sacrifices or Putin has the money to use Roscosmos's trampoline to maybe bounce a nuke at the free world. I'd rather make sacrifices. An energy shortage isn't the end of the world.

I bet you willingly gave your school bully your lunch money every day. You might've gotten *gasp* hurt! Me, I've been bruised, beaten, and bloody, stabbed, set on fire, and hit with all manner of blunt objects. I've left a trail of blood on more than one occasion, taken a shower that looked like it belonged in the Bates Motel more times than I'd like to admit, but nobody took my lunch money. People today aren't made out of sterner stuff.

That's a lot of fine words but to my recollection only one country has ever actually used nukes.