Will you keep your 4runner if gas hits $8 a gallon?

[gomiami]

A fair point, but this assumes you're helpless and at the mercy of market forces. That's more true for the milk though than the gas. The reason gas prices are where they are is because a politician with different energy policies took office. I'm not defending Trump, simply stating a fact: his policies lowered US gas prices and resulted in the country being energy independent. So it doesn't have to be Trump, but you can support candidates whose approach on energy is similar.

These issues aren't complicated. It's Economics 101 and we have plenty of history to look at too, but the people in power think doing the same things that resulted in disastrous inflation before just somehow weren't done well enough last time. That's not the problem.

The OP did not ask why the price of gasoline has risen. I have taken graduate-level economics courses and we could certainly have that discussion...but it is superfluous to the OPs original question.

My comment addresses opportunity cost. The stark choice given was to either keep the 4Runner and its inherent costs or move to an alternative vehicle with it's own set of inherent costs.

I'll keep the 4Runner.

 

[Thunderbird12]

Gas is between $6-7 where I am. Easily more than $100 per fill-up. (5th Gen Limited 4x4).

Already listed my 4Runner for sale. As much as I WANT TO keep it. I can't.

Looking at hybrids, but the sad part is, I can't get my hands on one of those (at a fair price,) either.

 

[gomiami]

Gas is between $6-7 where I am. Easily more than $100 per fill-up. (5th Gen Limited 4x4).

Already listed my 4Runner for sale. As much as I WANT TO keep it. I can't.

Looking at hybrids, but the sad part is, I can't get my hands on one of those (at a fair price,) either.

I feel for you and I'm sorry you have to part with a vehicle you'd like to keep.

I don't think I will ever own a hybrid or an electric. I don't have the skill set to repair them myself. I may pay more for gas but (what I expect to be) reduced repair costs will offset the hybrid/electric (e)MPG savings and probably be a wash or slightly in my favor.

...at least that's my reasoning for sticking with the ICE.

 

[Bluesky 07]

The OP did not ask why the price of gasoline has risen. I have taken graduate-level economics courses and we could certainly have that discussion...but it is superfluous to the OPs original question.

My comment addresses opportunity cost. The stark choice given was to either keep the 4Runner and its inherent costs or move to an alternative vehicle with it's own set of inherent costs.

I'll keep the 4Runner.

I will keep mine as well. As for why the fascination with analyzing prices, I suppose there's just something in human nature that wants to know what's behind a 265% increase (where I live) in the cost of one of those basic commodities.

 

[gomiami]

I will keep mine as well. As for why the fascination with analyzing prices, I suppose there's just something in human nature that wants to know what's behind a 265% increase (where I live) in the cost of one of those basic commodities.

Agreed.

265% is criminal and absurd.

 

[Bluesky 07]

Agreed.

265% is criminal and absurd.

Only if it’s not a legitimate result of market forces, which changed significantly overnight. But that takes us back to the debate that you said isn’t the OP’s point.

I’m more mystified by people who floor it every time they accelerate and jam on the brakes 20 feet from stop signs then complain about their gas mileage and how quickly they go through brake pads. LOL

 

[JaSC1]

Gas is between $6-7 where I am. Easily more than $100 per fill-up. (5th Gen Limited 4x4).

Already listed my 4Runner for sale. As much as I WANT TO keep it. I can't.

Looking at hybrids, but the sad part is, I can't get my hands on one of those (at a fair price,) either.

That would be by design. The use of public transportation will rise and metro areas will grow.

 

[Thai]

I feel for you and I'm sorry you have to part with a vehicle you'd like to keep.

I don't think I will ever own a hybrid or an electric. I don't have the skill set to repair them myself. I may pay more for gas but (what I expect to be) reduced repair costs will offset the hybrid/electric (e)MPG savings and probably be a wash or slightly in my favor.

...at least that's my reasoning for sticking with the ICE.

I don’t know…a Prius is very very trouble free. Less maintenance cost than ICE. Warranty for electric stuff is very long even if it has issues.

Tesla requires almost no maintenance except change tires and refill windshield fluid. Sure the car has fit issues.

I don’t think that maintenance cost should be the first argument for ICE…EVs and hybrids have other issues, but maintenance is not one of them.

 

[gomiami]

I don’t know…a Prius is very very trouble free. Less maintenance cost than ICE. Warranty for electric stuff is very long even if it has issues.

Tesla requires almost no maintenance except change tires and refill windshield fluid. Sure the car has fit issues.

I don’t think that maintenance cost should be the first argument for ICE…EVs and hybrids have other issues, but maintenance is not one of them.

Hmm, I was under the impression the battery packs, the forced small displacement motors, electric motors (while not a common failure) etc., were wearable items and that they were not the cheapest items to replace.

When everyone else is replacing their third battery pack or replacing their blown quadruple turbo mega hybrid V2 engines, I'll wave as I motor on by with my perfectly maintained ICE 4Runner.:fencing:

 

[gomiami]

I don’t know…a Prius is very very trouble free. Less maintenance cost than ICE. Warranty for electric stuff is very long even if it has issues.

Tesla requires almost no maintenance except change tires and refill windshield fluid. Sure the car has fit issues.

I don’t think that maintenance cost should be the first argument for ICE…EVs and hybrids have other issues, but maintenance is not one of them.

...besides, comparing a Prius and a 4Runner is apples to oranges. The Prius is strictly a commuter car.

When we have long-term data about Toyota hybrids that overland and/or tow, we'll know which Toyota product has the lower maintenance.

 

[mscot]

That would be by design. The use of public transportation will rise and metro areas will grow.

Please enlighten us on the government conspiracy that is forcing automakers to withhold hybrids from dealer lots so we can force people to take public transit.

 

[Thai]

As Elon Musk backs fossil fuels, one strategist sends warning over EV sales

Cost of charging EVs in Europe are going up big time because Russia shut down the natural gas pipelines. Elon is pushing for nuclear power for Europe. Decades of green policies , shutting down nuclear power plants, more reliance on wind and solar have turned out not so well for Europe.

 

[Bluesky 07]

Curious if anyone knows whether the recent California edict requiring all new vehicles be electric by 2035 was accompanied by a realistic (the emphasis is needed; see their bullet train debacle) plan to upgrade the power grid in the same time frame? That seems like such an obvious thing but I'd be willing to bet there's no such path especially since the announcement was followed days later by requests for people not to charge the electric cars they have now. :doh:

 

[Thai]

Curious if anyone knows whether the recent California edict requiring all new vehicles be electric by 2035 was accompanied by a realistic (the emphasis is needed; see their bullet train debacle) plan to upgrade the power grid in the same time frame? That seems like such an obvious thing but I'd be willing to bet there's no such path especially since the announcement was followed days later by requests for people not to charge the electric cars they have now. :doh:

This is also the same state that had a huge chance to replace the current incompetent governor and decided to overwhelmingly re-elect him and his policies.

IMHO, California is getting everything they voted for. My only plea is that California folks stay in their state. Please don’t migrate.

 

[TK-422]

This is also the same state that had a huge chance to replace the current incompetent governor and decided to overwhelmingly re-elect him and his policies.

IMHO, California is getting everything they voted for. My only plea is that California folks stay in their state. Please don’t migrate.

Whatever stupid things this state does others are soon to follow.

 

[Thai]

Whatever stupid things this state does others are soon to follow.

Except TX and FL………my two favorite states.

 

[party]

I will always keep my 4Runner maybe Ill get a second 4 cylinder 4runner if gas goes that high.

 

[Thai]

What is the difference between California and the Titanic? The Titanic had its lights on when it sank.

 

[Thai]

I will always keep my 4Runner maybe Ill get a second 4 cylinder 4runner if gas goes that high.

I think that 4 banger 4runner does not get better mileage….

 

[gomiami]

I will always keep my 4Runner maybe Ill get a second 4 cylinder 4runner if gas goes that high.

The 4 cylinder turbo 4Runner (6th gen) will not save you any money even if it gets better MPG.

Either pay more for gas and less on maintenance/repair/initial purchase price or pay more for maintenance/repair/initial purchase price and less on gas.

It's a racket that you won't come out ahead in. Perhaps you'll break even.