Will you keep your 4runner if gas hits $8 a gallon?

[JaSC1]

Please enlighten us on the government conspiracy that is forcing automakers to withhold hybrids from dealer lots so we can force people to take public transit.

Sorry, I've not been paying attention this thread of late. It's no secret that the 'green cult' and the CAFE standards from the Feds are impacting all aspects. Not sure where I said anything about Hybrids but ok, they are all the same to me.

When the last ICE is sold in Cali and a bunch of other States what do you think will happen. Let's talk about those that can't afford a EV. Go for a 10 year note on an appliance that will need a Batt replacement at some point? Permanent rotating debt? Then again there is not enough raw materials in the earth, in any country to replace all the ICE's now. So yes, public transportation and living in a major metro area because only the upper class might have a vehicle, the political class for sure.

It's not a conspiracy, it's the future.

 

[party]

The 4 cylinder turbo 4Runner (6th gen) will not save you any money even if it gets better MPG.

Either pay more for gas and less on maintenance/repair/initial purchase price or pay more for maintenance/repair/initial purchase price and less on gas.

It's a racket that you won't come out ahead in. Perhaps you'll break even.

lmao it was a joke, the 4runner isnt very aerodynamic and high center of gravity not set up for grat gas mileage lol!

 

[onceapilot]

I would keep mine but I sure wish they would do something to get another 5-10 mpg. Couple more gears would help.

 

[gomiami]

lmao it was a joke, the 4runner isnt very aerodynamic and high center of gravity not set up for grat gas mileage lol!

OK, I guess I can see that re-reading the post.

 

[momo.75]

Whatever stupid things this state does others are soon to follow.

I wouldn't count on that...

 

[JaSC1]

I wouldn't count on that...

New York just announced no ICEs sold past 2035. Washington State as well. There are several more that are moving in that direction including Connecticut, Hawaii, Maine, New Jersey, New Mexico, Oregon, and North Carolina.

California is the leading car market. What California wants is what the manufacturers will produce. It's a bottom line type of decision. The future is being written today. The next decade will be the end of the conventional ICE powered personal vehicles.

 

[CajunMikeR]

California is the leading car market. What California wants is what the manufacturers will produce. It's a bottom line type of decision. The future is being written today. The next decade will be the end of the conventional ICE powered personal vehicles.

Unlikely. California can't keep its grid up during the summer and winter reliably, so when you add the strain of charging a bunch of cars it will be more unreliable.

The only people that believe we'll be rid of ICEs are those that have no understanding of how fragile our grid is in the US... and have probably never lived outside a larger city their entire lives.

 

[BearBio]

Not until there are re-charging stations on every corner and recharging takes 5 min. or less!

 

[gomiami]

New York just announced no ICEs sold past 2035. Washington State as well. There are several more that are moving in that direction including Connecticut, Hawaii, Maine, New Jersey, New Mexico, Oregon, and North Carolina.

California is the leading car market. What California wants is what the manufacturers will produce. It's a bottom line type of decision. The future is being written today. The next decade will be the end of the conventional ICE powered personal vehicles.

I appreciate the comprehensive list of states to avoid. New England will be easy as well the Pacific rim. Silliness has been festering in those areas for decades now.

North Carolina is the only one that saddens me. Those people used to be rather normal just a few years ago.

 

[mscot]

Not sure where I said anything about Hybrids but ok, they are all the same to me.

Some guy said:
Looking at hybrids, but the sad part is, I can't get my hands on one of those (at a fair price,) either.

You said:
That would be by design. The use of public transportation will rise and metro areas will grow.

I was curious what the "design" is that would keep automakers from selling cars that are currently in demand. Or are you just talking shi7 for talking's sake?

I'm not sure how the CA thing will stick as we approach 2035.
1. As you and others have mentioned their grid can't support it and I don't see a public works project being approved to do it - not should it. The utilities need to foot the bill for it since they are the ones neglecting it.
2. Construction industries of all sorts need vehicles with power that can run all day. Maybe batteries can do it by then but what if they can't? Do they just make exceptions in the law for construction workers and then deal with everyone becoming a construction worker on paper? lol
3. Charging for any EV aside from a Tesla is a fracking nightmare. Maybe this will improve in 10 years but not without a giant injection of cash from... ???

 

[gomiami]

Some guy said:
Looking at hybrids, but the sad part is, I can't get my hands on one of those (at a fair price,) either.

You said:
That would be by design. The use of public transportation will rise and metro areas will grow.

I was curious what the "design" is that would keep automakers from selling cars that are currently in demand. Or are you just talking shi7 for talking's sake?

I'm not sure how the CA thing will stick as we approach 2035.
1. As you and others have mentioned their grid can't support it and I don't see a public works project being approved to do it - not should it. The utilities need to foot the bill for it since they are the ones neglecting it.
2. Construction industries of all sorts need vehicles with power that can run all day. Maybe batteries can do it by then but what if they can't? Do they just make exceptions in the law for construction workers and then deal with everyone becoming a construction worker on paper? lol
3. Charging for any EV aside from a Tesla is a fracking nightmare. Maybe this will improve in 10 years but not without a giant injection of cash from... ???

These players are engaging in hyberbole. It's a favorite tool for the revolutionary in this day and age.

 

[JaSC1]

Unlikely. California can't keep its grid up during the summer and winter reliably, so when you add the strain of charging a bunch of cars it will be more unreliable.

The only people that believe we'll be rid of ICEs are those that have no understanding of how fragile our grid is in the US... and have probably never lived outside a larger city their entire lives.

"Stop selling", not get rid of is what I said and what Cali said, law passed. They won't care about the grid until they must. ICE's will hang around until they are taxed out of existence. Could a cascade failure occur? Sure, hope there are better controls in place now as to not bring down the other regions.

I'm not looking for a fight here. I am totally against the 'Green death cult'. Sec of Energy said on several occasions. 'Everyone should buy an EV.' Sec of Transportation said 'just buy electric if you can't afford gas. Congress just gave unprecedented authority back to the EPA to regulate everything including how much nitrogen in fertilizer a small farmer can use. (sorta important to grow food)

"What? can't afford an EV?" which a whole lot of people can't with the subsidies even. ICE too old to find repair parts, parts cost too much ect. To the public transportation you go and the jobs available will be in metro areas only. Ford is investing 22 Billion to electrify by 2025.

Hopefully I won't get banned.

 

[gomiami]

"Stop selling", not get rid of is what I said and what Cali said, law passed. They won't care about the grid until they must. ICE's will hang around until they are taxed out of existence. Could a cascade failure occur? Sure, hope there are better controls in place now as to not bring down the other regions.

I'm not looking for a fight here. I am totally against the 'Green death cult'. Sec of Energy said on several occasions. 'Everyone should buy an EV.' Sec of Transportation said 'just buy electric if you can't afford gas. Congress just gave unprecedented authority back to the EPA to regulate everything including how much nitrogen in fertilizer a small farmer can use. (sorta important to grow food)

"What? can't afford an EV?" which a whole lot of people can't with the subsidies even. ICE too old to find repair parts, parts cost too much ect. To the public transportation you go and the jobs available will be in metro areas only. Ford is investing 22 Billion to electrify by 2025.

Hopefully I won't get banned.

You shouldn't get reprimanded for stating these things since most of what you are saying is regarding policy.

Shifting policies will result in a time table that will take a lot longer than 12 years to convert the US to an EV capable nation.

The current legislation is part sales tactic and part scare tactic.

 

[engineeer]

Unlikely. California can't keep its grid up during the summer and winter reliably, so when you add the strain of charging a bunch of cars it will be more unreliable.

You appear to be confusing us with Texas. With the exception of PG&E being mismanaged and having to do targeted shutoffs, on occasion, in very particular areas on windy dry days for the hottest 1-2 months of the year in order to not start wildfires, the grid is doing just fine out here. I've never heard of a single outage like that during winter months.

I haven't experienced a planned or accidental power outage (beyond one incidence of a car running into equipment) in Southern California or Northern California in 25+ years.

 

[TK-422]

You appear to be confusing us with Texas. With the exception of PG&E being mismanaged and having to do targeted shutoffs, on occasion, in very particular areas on windy dry days for the hottest 1-2 months of the year in order to not start wildfires, the grid is doing just fine out here. I've never heard of a single outage like that during winter months.

I haven't experienced a planned or accidental power outage (beyond one incidence of a car running into equipment) in Southern California or Northern California in 25+ years.

It is not the same in SoCal 40miles north of Los Angeles.

In the last two years we have had multiple outages year round. Sometimes for days. Usually there is no status from PG&E but they are starting to get a little better about notifications of outages and how long they will last.

I have gone thru 3 40Lb tanks and half a 20 Lb tank of propane to keep my small generator running over this time. That will not run HVAC, just the small stuff.

It is not just my small area. It is about a 150 square mile area with thousands of homes.

A couple weeks ago Our Gov outlawed all gas vehicle purchases after 2035. You can bet he will have himself exempt by his past performances.

A few days later we had another state wide Flex Alert warning people not to run their AC or any appliances from 4PM to 9PM and not to charge their EVs. This went on for 10 days.

An EV takes more power than a typical house AC to charge. How in the wide world of sports can you think millions of them charging at all hours of the day will not bring the badly maintained grid down to it's knees in the next few years?

 

[MickeyR]

Yes

Yes i will

 

[rwh963]

$3.14 best regular cash price. at $3/gal, yes.

 

[TK-422]

It is now $5.95 average in LA.

On the good side since I retired it took 7 weeks until I had to fill up at Costco at $5.15.

It sure beets having to fill up twice a week.

 

[Dark4rnr]

i would keep it but i also would buy something more gas effecient. dont think id get rid of my runner

 

[whitetrooper]

US has oil in the ground and in the bottom of the ocean. US can extract oil if it needs to considering all environmenatal concerns areput aside.