limamike
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If they weren't decent Metal Tech wouldn't sell them.
Winch choices?
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If they weren't decent Metal Tech wouldn't sell them.
shawn719
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Thing for me is I don't hit the trails as much/hardly/at all, so to spend money for a product like Warn would be wasted. Spending a ton of money for performance never used would be akin to going all out with an Icon suspension package vice what I have (bilsteins and new springs to give slight lift and better handling) for just an occasional offroad to the fishing/hunting spot.
There are a lot of guys running Engos on their jeeps and making it work. Reviews besides 4Wheeler are out. No, none claim Engo is better than Warn, but review is on the things that matter for me. Continuous use day long is no concern to me, but, dependable occasional use, when needed, is.
So, all in all $500 vice $1300 for the performance and features I need will suit me fine.
jangoforhire
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I am considering adding a winch soon. If you had to choose between the Warn VR10000 or M8000 which would you pick? You can find both of these for similar prices so I am just curious as to your guys input.
mrvandelay
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The M8000, while it can't pull 10K, is mechanically superior.
joneseyyy
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Fully loaded my truck weighs ~6K pounds. A commonly accepted guideline for winch capacity is to go 1.5x vehicle weight. That helped inform my opinion when I was doing the same evaluation.
jangoforhire
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Right, I am familiar with that guideline. I know this winch won't get used more than a few times a year. So maybe I will just go with the VR10000. The M8000 is so close to being 1.5x the vehicle weight it makes it a tough decision. But I guess overkill is always better.
DannyLlama
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Dumb question but could the Warn Winch be concealed behind the front bumper of that of a TE? Like the Bud Built?
Or will it require aftermarket bumper?
Or will it require aftermarket bumper?
mrvandelay
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I have an M8000 behind my stock TE bumper using the BB Hidden Winch Plate
jangoforhire
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For a winch that's not going to be used very often I feel as if I'm splitting hairs here. More weight? Or heavier duty?
I can pickup the VR for about 100 less than the M (both with non-synthetic lines). So I think I'm leaning that direction.
I can pickup the VR for about 100 less than the M (both with non-synthetic lines). So I think I'm leaning that direction.
mrvandelay
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Get whichever you can get cheaper with synthetic line.
phillyd2
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And when that time comes, and you know it will, the last thing you will be worried about is the $100.
Trust me cause I know, the winch will be used when everything else you tried failed :naughty:
I would also go with rope instead of wire.
Good luck whichever way you decide.
Mick1
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With the hidden winch plate and keeping the stock bumper, with the way-under the bumper stock recovery points, planning on what type of cable and what type of attachment you go with is important.
The hooks can't be wound all the way up to the fair lead. Do you want to be connecting a hook type attachment with wire rope to the stock recovery points way under the bumper? I don't think so. That would scratch the plastic bumper to bits.
Synthetic rope will be better, but still not great. Then you still have the kink in the rope in the same place all the time, sun exposure, and easy vandal ability against synthetic rope.
The safety thimble and synthetic rope was the best choice and that is what I upgraded to. I sold the warn synthetic rope and got a master pull rope with thimble. The factor 55 link was a consideration, but I didn't think it pulled up into the fair lead with out damage as easily as a regular thimble does. Also the factor 55 was additional money over just selling the warn rope and buying what I wanted.
The hooks can't be wound all the way up to the fair lead. Do you want to be connecting a hook type attachment with wire rope to the stock recovery points way under the bumper? I don't think so. That would scratch the plastic bumper to bits.
Synthetic rope will be better, but still not great. Then you still have the kink in the rope in the same place all the time, sun exposure, and easy vandal ability against synthetic rope.
The safety thimble and synthetic rope was the best choice and that is what I upgraded to. I sold the warn synthetic rope and got a master pull rope with thimble. The factor 55 link was a consideration, but I didn't think it pulled up into the fair lead with out damage as easily as a regular thimble does. Also the factor 55 was additional money over just selling the warn rope and buying what I wanted.
bernardmwrangle
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Master Pull Winch ?
Rhino, I appreciate this follow up and details. These might be dumb questions, but I hope you don't mind if I ask, I am about to make a move on the BudBuilt hidden winch mount and a Warn. 1. Do I have to worry about vandals stealing my synthetic rope? 2. Do you mean that you pull the thimble all the way through the fairlead so that it is not hanging out and visible when not in use? 3. Does the master pull rope not kink like the Warn synthetic rope? Do you have to have the thimble installed when you purchase the master pull rope? 4. Are you using your recovery points while winching because you run a rope through a snatch block and back to your recovery points under the bumper or something? I have only secured my winch to a tree or someone else's rig and pulled directly. THANKS. And, nice rig.
Rhino, I appreciate this follow up and details. These might be dumb questions, but I hope you don't mind if I ask, I am about to make a move on the BudBuilt hidden winch mount and a Warn. 1. Do I have to worry about vandals stealing my synthetic rope? 2. Do you mean that you pull the thimble all the way through the fairlead so that it is not hanging out and visible when not in use? 3. Does the master pull rope not kink like the Warn synthetic rope? Do you have to have the thimble installed when you purchase the master pull rope? 4. Are you using your recovery points while winching because you run a rope through a snatch block and back to your recovery points under the bumper or something? I have only secured my winch to a tree or someone else's rig and pulled directly. THANKS. And, nice rig.
mrvandelay
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I've not had anyone try to steal my synthetic rope. That just seems crazy. Especially when it's behind the bumper. My warn rope doesnt appear to kink - I would say it's sufficient for most people.
The warn hook reaches fine down to the recovery points. I removed the hook and hammer link and put a D-Ring Shackle on the end and pulled it tight against my fairlead. Works fine for me that way.
Mick1
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I was not implying that anyone wants to steal the synthetic rope, just that if you have synthetic rope and a hook shackle you will need to tie-off the hook to the factory recovery point down below the bumper. You can't have it flopping around and can't pull it into the fairlead.
This will expose a foot or so of the synthetic rope to the elements and also expose the rope to anyone walking by. This is also a critical foot or so regarding strength.
I also was not trying to say that the syn rope actually gets kinked like wire cable does, but that it will have a bend in the same spot all the time and weathering will likely weaken that location of the rope.
Synthetic rope can be cut relatively easily compared to wire cable. It may seem unlikely, but a teenager or hooligan could choose to cut the synthetic rope. I have seen worse done by teenage idiots....
By having a safety thimble that pulls all the way into the fairlead the potential for vandalism and exposure to weather is eliminated.
Mrvandelay, it is interesting that you are pulling the warn all the way to the fairlead. Are you using a rubber isolator? I considered the option of pulling the warn into the fairlead and tried it for a few days, but it looked like the regular warn thimble it would/could pull through my daystar rubber isolator and mar or damage the fairlead. Keeping the fairlead free of scratches, dents, etc. is important with synthetic rope. Any sharp edge and the expensive rope will be toast.
This will expose a foot or so of the synthetic rope to the elements and also expose the rope to anyone walking by. This is also a critical foot or so regarding strength.
I also was not trying to say that the syn rope actually gets kinked like wire cable does, but that it will have a bend in the same spot all the time and weathering will likely weaken that location of the rope.
Synthetic rope can be cut relatively easily compared to wire cable. It may seem unlikely, but a teenager or hooligan could choose to cut the synthetic rope. I have seen worse done by teenage idiots....
By having a safety thimble that pulls all the way into the fairlead the potential for vandalism and exposure to weather is eliminated.
Mrvandelay, it is interesting that you are pulling the warn all the way to the fairlead. Are you using a rubber isolator? I considered the option of pulling the warn into the fairlead and tried it for a few days, but it looked like the regular warn thimble it would/could pull through my daystar rubber isolator and mar or damage the fairlead. Keeping the fairlead free of scratches, dents, etc. is important with synthetic rope. Any sharp edge and the expensive rope will be toast.
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limamike
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I did worse when I was a teenage idiot. :sadwave:
bernardmwrangle
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I see the light, thanks Rhino. And, as the parent of a teenager, I would never underestimate how stupid they can get!
Mick1
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I watched one of my idiot friends try a car handle when walking through a parking lot once. I don't recall what kind of car it was, some oldsmobile or buick family car. It was the only handle he tried, but it was open and the kid took a leak inside the car for no reason....:bash: So horrible....
