Winch thoughts!?

[calcrc]

Hi guys I am searching for a winch and saw this, what do you guys think ?

https://www.amazon.com/Havoc-Offroa...988723&sr=8-1&keywords=winch+synthetic+9000lb

 

[nevada]

never heard of that brand name, but its looks VERY similar to the Rugged Ridge line of winches that I am so fond of.

however,

Gear Ratio 235:1

tells me it will be VERY slow.

not a bad price, I paid more than that for JUST my winch rope. but, it would be so slow, as to be frustrating every time you used it.

 

[calcrc]

Ok thank you man

How about this one ? I have no idea what to look for except price not more than 400$ is the budget :/

https://www.amazon.com/X-BULL-Synth...id=1498080819&sr=8-4&keywords=winch+synthetic Gear ratio is 261:1

 

[JSparky]

If you're on that kind of budget I'd go with something that has established some kind of track record in the field. I'd go with the Harbo Freight variant.

https://m.harborfreight.com/9000-lb...-with-automatic-load-holding-brake-62278.html

 

[HOJeepster]

If you're on that kind of budget I'd go with something that has established some kind of track record in the field. I'd go with the Harbo Freight variant.

https://m.harborfreight.com/9000-lb...-with-automatic-load-holding-brake-62278.html

Think about what a winch would be used for - an emergency. In such case, you'd want something dependable. I wouldn't spend less than ~$500, otherwise just save your money. I bought a Smittybilt XRC 9500 winch which was at the base of the quality realm, and the first time I used it, the solenoid crapped out on me. That would have sucked to have had happened in a die hard situation where you just want to get home. You mind as well get something durable. Just my .02.

 

[Titanpat57]

I just got this....great line. You have to watch some of the Chinese lines.

https://www.quadratec.com/products/92122_2040_07.htm

 

[nmhyoti]

It was worth saving up for a Warn VR10S. I got stuck in a mudhole with just my rig. It was the right length (barely!) And it worked like a charm. I also have a dual battery system to give my winch enough power to winch for extended periods of time.

Short answer, in my experience my warn was exactly what I needed and functioned as expected. Thoroughly impressed and will now swear by them.

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[phillyd2]

As others have hinted at, wait longer to save enough to buy quality. You will go to your winch when everything else including talking harshly has failed. And then, it MUST work.

 

[JSparky]

Think about what a winch would be used for - an emergency. In such case, you'd want something dependable. I wouldn't spend less than ~$500, otherwise just save your money. I bought a Smittybilt XRC 9500 winch which was at the base of the quality realm, and the first time I used it, the solenoid crapped out on me. That would have sucked to have had happened in a die hard situation where you just want to get home. You mind as well get something durable. Just my .02.

Ya I don't disagree with those points, buy once cry once. I was referring the OP to the harbor freight winch based on his previous links to off-name entry level winches.

 

[nglayton]

As others have said, you are better off paying for a quality winch up front, beats being broken down and paying for it later.

 

[nevada]

Ok thank you man

How about this one ? I have no idea what to look for except price not more than 400$ is the budget :/

https://www.amazon.com/X-BULL-Synth...id=1498080819&sr=8-4&keywords=winch+synthetic Gear ratio is 261:1

it will be even slower than the other one.

https://www.amazon.com/Rugged-Ridge-15100-31-Spartacus-Performance/dp/B00X6GCTK4

those are what I run. it can be had for quite a bit less if you get one with cable, instead of rope.

https://www.amazon.com/Rugged-Ridge...=1498144893&sr=1-2&keywords=rugged+ridge+8500

then in a few months/year whatever, you can replace the cable with synthetic. there are quite a few places selling it for a great price now.

If you're on that kind of budget I'd go with something that has established some kind of track record in the field. I'd go with the Harbo Freight variant.

https://m.harborfreight.com/9000-lb...-with-automatic-load-holding-brake-62278.html

no. just no. there are so many other better winches out there for the same money.

 

[calcrc]

Alright guys thanks a lot. Going to do more research. Btw wich gear ratio do you guys recommend ?

 

[wfo9]

The bitterness of low quality remains long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten.

 

[Jono.ful]

then in a few months/year whatever, you can replace the cable with synthetic. there are quite a few places selling it for a great price now.


no. just no. there are so many other better winches out there for the same money.

Not all winches are compatible with synthetic line, particularly on the lower end of the price range. Reason being the brake is often located within the spool, which can get hot enough to melt the line. And no one wants a $200 hot puddle of goo that used to be their nice new synthetic winch line.

 

[nevada]

Alright guys thanks a lot. Going to do more research. Btw wich gear ratio do you guys recommend ?

unfortunately, you cant go solely by the gear ratio. there are some winches with a very low ratio, that still end up having a high spool in speed. it has to do with how the motor is wound/built.

having said that, it can be used MOST times to determine whether it will be a fast, or slow winch, particularly on the lower price winches. its one of the first things I look at. next, would be actual rated line speeds. the manufacturer will have this info listed somewhere. though, sometimes you really have to dig for it.

for it to not be so slow that its nuisance you would want to find something in the mid to upper 30's fpm no load line speed.

the 8500 model I linked above has a rated 37fpm no load line speed. it is one of the faster budget winches you will find. it does a very good job. ive been running mine for more 5-6 years now. because mine worked so well, several others in my group got them also.

just a heads up, regardless of which brand of winch you decide on, it will most likely need the gear box serviced. they are shipped with cheap garbage grease. check my build thread in my sig below, I did a fairly intensive write up on cleaning/re-greasing them. they will all be very similar.

 

[nevada]

The bitterness of low quality remains long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten.

there is a lot of truth to this.

Not all winches are compatible with synthetic line, particularly on the lower end of the price range. Reason being the brake is often located within the spool, which can get hot enough to melt the line. And no one wants a $200 hot puddle of goo that used to be their nice new synthetic winch line.

for the winches I mentioned above, they are sold with cable, or rope. I highly doubt they are running a different spool for each.

also, unless you are powering the winch OUT, there will be no additional heat from the drum mounted brake. powering out is a very bad idea, regardless if you are using cable, or rope, BECAUSE of the brake. you would only power out very short distances, otherwise you're risking not only melting the line, but wearing out the brake.

 

[Jono.ful]

for the winches I mentioned above, they are sold with cable, or rope. I highly doubt they are running a different spool for each.

also, unless you are powering the winch OUT, there will be no additional heat from the drum mounted brake. powering out is a very bad idea, regardless if you are using cable, or rope, BECAUSE of the brake. you would only power out very short distances, otherwise you're risking not only melting the line, but wearing out the brake.

The two Amazon links you posted are not for the same winch. As per the Rugged Ridge website, 15100.31 is the 8,500lb Spartacus with synthetic, and 15100.30 is the same winch with cable. 15100.01 is a different model entirely.
All of that is nether here, nor there. My comments were about winches in general, as my first unit was a superwinch with cable that I had planned to upgrade to synthetic. However upon researching, I came across that same warning in the owner's manual I relayed previously - winches with an internal brake can produce heat sufficient to melt synthetic line. So I do speak with some degree of experience.
@op: I'm not saying don't upgrade a cable to synthetic, just do your research with your specific model and maybe even talk to the manufacturer, rather than listening to a bunch of *******s preaching on an internet chat.

 

[calcrc]

Yes for the price and reliability you said I think I will go with your selection Rugged Ridge. 299$ Is quite fair for me.

I don't hardcore wheel and I think it will do the job plenty if I try some more hard trails in the future and I will be with my Brother in law and his Taco.

Thanks Nevada

 

[nevada]

The two Amazon links you posted are not for the same winch. As per the Rugged Ridge website, 15100.31 is the 8,500lb Spartacus with synthetic, and 15100.30 is the same winch with cable. 15100.01 is a different model entirely.
All of that is nether here, nor there. My comments were about winches in general, as my first unit was a superwinch with cable that I had planned to upgrade to synthetic. However upon researching, I came across that same warning in the owner's manual I relayed previously - winches with an internal brake can produce heat sufficient to melt synthetic line. So I do speak with some degree of experience.
@op: I'm not saying don't upgrade a cable to synthetic, just do your research with your specific model and maybe even talk to the manufacturer, rather than listening to a bunch of *******s preaching on an internet chat.

did you look up part numbers? I bet they all use the same drum.

as far as I know pretty much every lay down winch uses an internal brake.
like I previously explained, as long as you aren't winching OUT excessively, you will not be making extra heat. this condition is bad regardless if you are running cable or rope, and should be avoided.

 

[Jono.ful]

did you look up part numbers? I bet they all use the same drum.

as far as I know pretty much every lay down winch uses an internal brake.
like I previously explained, as long as you aren't winching OUT excessively, you will not be making extra heat. this condition is bad regardless if you are running cable or rope, and should be avoided.

Not going to waste my time pouring over parts lists to prove a point. Ask Google if you're at all interested, this is pretty common knowledge. If it's not the case for some off brand that you run, congratulations. I'll stick with my Warn and be secure in the knowledge that it was specifically designed to run the synthetic line that it came with. :hatsoff: