So you don't buy a 4R for mpg I was told......Rant

He's running 34x10.5 BFG KO2s.

Which, if he was putting hundreds of offroad miles on each day would lead to much lower economy....

I suspect like most of us he doesn't really need the offroad capabilites of the 4runner on a daily basis and would be equally well served in his real world needs by a more efficient vehicle.
 
For starters you cannot control all aspects of the vehicle. Take headlights for example: There are basically two positions for full operation, manual and automatic. In manual mode, you have to turn on the headlights and automatic mode it turns them on for you at dusk. Fine so far right? In both modes you decide when to use high beam or low beam, now get this, except the sensor decides if high beams are rreeeeaaaalllllyyyy needed. Example: A car is coming towards you and you have it on high beam. The sensor picks up the headlights and auto dims the headlights, when the car passes the light goes back to high beam.... except when it doesn't. I have blinded some drivers for a few seconds. I have needed high beams and not been able to use them because of reflection of lights off a railroad crossing sign. Do they work? Sure, after a fashion, but they absolutely don't function like I use my headlights. So maybe it's just dumbass me lol.

Auto stop at red lights and in traffic is a *****. Yes, they give you a button to turn that feature off. No, it won't stay off and you only remember to hit the button when it kills the engine going through a drive through lol.

Radar cruise control.... need I say more.

Truthfully, for 95% of the people interested in a vehicle like this it is perfect. Just drive it. It won't let you back over something, it will auto brake if you forget, reminds you if you cross a line, rides good, comfortable, has all the bells and whistles and will be reliable and dependable forever. Tons of interior room too.

However, that vehicle has no soul... none whatsoever. My new Tacoma, even though it has the same 3.5 engine, has a soul. It has a six speed manual transmission, is not really quiet, rides like a truck and you have to do everything yourself. I love it because you have to drive it and never get bored. You have to pay attention. It has a personality. The 4Runner has a soul too, even though it is a more subdued one than the truck. The Highlander? None.

How dare you imply that the soul of my 4runner is subdued! :)
 
I am amazed by the people who comment without reading the original post. As for my 4Runner, right now the computer says I'm getting 18.1 mpg. That's about half the mileage I got on the Buick Lucerne that was traded in for it. The problem was that Buick was lousy off road, not that I tried, and wasn't much of a "chick magnet". Now I've got this 4Runner, I can't find any off road trails around here and the chicks are still ignoring me! Maybe being 65 yrs old has something to do with the chicks?
 
I am amazed by the people who comment without reading the original post. As for my 4Runner, right now the computer says I'm getting 18.1 mpg. That's about half the mileage I got on the Buick Lucerne that was traded in for it. The problem was that Buick was lousy off road, not that I tried, and wasn't much of a "chick magnet". Now I've got this 4Runner, I can't find any off road trails around here and the chicks are still ignoring me! Maybe being 65 yrs old has something to do with the chicks?
Not the age man. Cruise the 4Runner by the nursing home...
 
I'm a bit confused by this post....
You're upset because someone talked shit?

Can't you ignore them, instead of posting it on the one place that has more shit-talkers than anywhere else?

Lol, not even guilty, dammit! :laugh::spit:

I tell you if I drove that much in this truck, I’d be heading to the Lexus dealer and get the seats replaced that’s for sure. 4Runner seats are okay but definitely not 4450 miles a month okay, f’k that.
 
I am amazed by the people who comment without reading the original post. As for my 4Runner, right now the computer says I'm getting 18.1 mpg. That's about half the mileage I got on the Buick Lucerne that was traded in for it. The problem was that Buick was lousy off road, not that I tried, and wasn't much of a "chick magnet". Now I've got this 4Runner, I can't find any off road trails around here and the chicks are still ignoring me! Maybe being 65 yrs old has something to do with the chicks?

Hahahahahaha! Well done, I'm only 8 years behind you...

To digress for a moment, it's seems that we all have that moment of "what's the best tool?" ...and the web-pro-user assault ensues.
It's not the matter of what tool 'does it', but what tool 'suites the purpose?'

I've never purchased, well.....let me rephrase this: Once, thankfully..ONCE, I actually bought a vehicle for the purposes of gas mileage. I'm still convinced that this decision is the cause of needing E.D drugs. I mean, seriously..

I traded a Dodge (W150) P/U 4x4 for a.....Mitsubishi Colt. It smoked corks.

That being said, I'm very satisfied with the MPG's: (based on previous vehicles, all averaged about 20 MPG)

'98 Grand Prix
'05 Honda Pilot
'03 F-150

Now...'17 4Runner, sits at 19.7


As far as the chicks are concerned?....don't go to where you may think the chicks may be, go to where you feel most happy and the right chicks will already be there.

...just sayin'
 
If you have to drive that much for work then:

1, your employer needs to be covering some of the cost.
2. if not 1, then move or change jobs.
3. That many miles demands a superlative vehicle for reliability. your only option here is Toyota. If you need some decent cargo room either the Highlander or 4Runner. In other words, you got the best vehicle for what you are doing. See #1, and #2.
 
"Would you then care about the MPG?"

Nope. I'm making more now after 5 years of retirement than I ever made working. Forty-some years of saving and investing paid off.
 
Love my 4runner mileage. Over 20 every tank. More like 21 or 22. I pay to be completely mobile in the NE during whatever goes on. I do drive a lot of highway and country roads though or the MPG would be a lot lower. Thing is, it still beats the hell out of my wrangler on 37's or the previous G37 on premium, or any turbo Subaru on premium that I have owned. I do 30k a year and my work pays me half of federal mileage for the driving. It only takes half of that pay (1/4 of the federal rate) to make up for the gas itself. The rest goes in my pocket towards depreciation, etc. Loving it. I will take 22 MPG or so any day with this capability considering any Honda civic I ever owned only got like 29 on the same gas. Could I make more money up front in a prius? Yup. But I wouldn't be able to do what I do when I want to do it. The wrangler is just not taking a 9 hour trip to Maine from NJ so that is out of the question. I would sooner drown myself. Plus the trunk and back seat space of the 4runner is very handy when your life is essentially the movie Tommy Boy.
 
You get 18mpg? That's phenomenal, I'm stoked to hit 14 in my mostly city driving. My old juiced up Duramax gets 14. (Well, probably 12 when I haven't driven it in awhile. Damn thing feels like a giant drag car after driving my gutless runner.)

Curious: were you not driving that many miles before you bought the t4r? Either way, making the statement about not buying a t4r for gas mileage is not wrong. Don't take it personal, they were technically correct in stating that. Maybe it was delivered with a different connotation in the conversation, or maybe you took it out of context. Hopefully it was the latter.

As stated; driving that many miles will cost you quite a bit, no matter what you're in.

Best of luck with whatever you decide!

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I had a Jeep Rubicon JKU on 33's driving similar amount of miles and it got similar mpg. I switched for a more comfortable ride.
 
Sounds like you bought the wrong vehicle. What he said wasn't wrong. You don't buy a 4Runner as a commuter car. I would be jumping for joy if I got 18 mpg in my 4Runner.

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I don't think so for the time, nothing else did what a 4 R does for what I need/use it for with decent mpg.... Now a DMAX Colorado exists, and I know guys getting 30 plus mpg on the highway.. Big increase compared to the 4R.
 
A Fit or a Subaru can't get to where I work or do demo's/training sometimes.

Here is my load out for what I do with the tables deleted for short daily runs.

As I type this from my Hotel.. :surfer:






I read this whole thread and what vehicle i would have recommended to you at the first. Would have been a honda fit(insane amount of cargo room for a small car, and good gas mileage). Then at the end, i would pretty much recommend a 4runner because of the cargo room and offroad ability. Now i have to ask though do you carry the cargo to all of these remote areas that you need the 4runner as a daily hauler? Or could you use something more fuel efficient as a work day vehicle to haul the cargo on road. And have the 4runner for offroad and fun?

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You, my Colorado friend, are spot on with what I am trying to convey.

Plus, many have missed that I stated that I can afford the gas and truck.

:hatsoff:

I don't think this guy's rant is about the gas mileage or the cargo space or anything else to do with the vehicle. It's about the stupid comment he got. Must be new to Internet discussion forums. (though I do have to admit the "if you can't afford X, you're a loser" type comments are especially annoying)
 
"GC diesel he will have extra savings from all the times he is in a small rental or dealer loaner because the GC is back at the dealership having another issue fixed"

That was funny! lol

Don't forget the towing bill would change the delta though.

On a side note, guys that have the Dmax are routinely getting nearly 30 mpg on the hwy, and that's 80% of what I do.



one thing i didn't think of in my fuel cost savings analysis above: if he gets the GC diesel he will have extra savings from all the times he is in a small rental or dealer loaner because the GC is back at the dealership having another issue fixed
 
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I'm coming from a 2010 Touareg TDI, it got around 25 mpg on the highway and handled great; off road the gobs of torque and center locking differential did everything I ever needed. If it wasn't for it being up so high in milage and the buyback amount being so great I'd still have it,
 
You have a lot of stuff spot on in your post. I wasn't looking for advice, I know what I bought and I don't regret it. I may replace my 4R with another one. Who knows, I replace a car about every 18 months (I consider them disposable) so I get harassed all the time for so many things.

Part of this post was to see if people paid attention to me ranting about someone butting into my conversation, not the actual mpg.

So far, I read two peeps that were spot on with my rant..

I know of a ZR2 guy getting mid- upper 20's on the hwy... Who knows, I may be one of them.

Or should I do a diesel conversion for the 4R.... hmmm, now theres an idea.,,,


snyde comments, here? LOL

Honestly, some of it is just part of the fun.. Most are not that serious about it, but yes some are over the top and condescending for no good reason. I've had plenty of disagreements with folks that I would probably get along with great in real life. And yes, I have also been part of the problem at times. It is a bit contagious.... you will start doing it a bit too after some time of being harassed. Not saying it is right... just don't take it all as a face to face conversation. I have to tell myself that often.

If you wanted actual advice you would have to give more specifics... The 4r is not efficien (it is extremely outdated in technology), but it has other versatility and reliability pros that can't be beat for some.

If you have to go offroad and need high mpg for hwy... I would see if you could get by with the colorado duramax (not the zr2). The zr2 has awesome offroad capability with decent mpg, but the hwy mpg is significantly less than the regular version which will do 30mpg.

The problem is you simply can't have it all. High clearance up front equals high wind resistance.... Good offroad tires equals higher rolling resistance. I think most zr2 duramax owners are seeing 21-24. That is about as good as you can get on a highly capable off-roader.
 

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