Yes but it comes with the deduction of a four-wheel drive system that can be used at all times. Some people are pissed at this and some people obviously prefer it.
All 4 options would have been the best
2010 Limited Driving Impressions...
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Yes but it comes with the deduction of a four-wheel drive system that can be used at all times. Some people are pissed at this and some people obviously prefer it.
All 4 options would have been the best
adoihcj
New member
Thanks for explaining - don't do much off-road driving
Yeah the 3rd row in the Armada is a compromise. Not so much in amount of room, but mostly head-room is an issue if you put adults there. With that said the trade-off to get a very very comfortable 2nd row was the kicker to us. Rarely that we have filled the car and even those few times it worked pretty good with adults in the 3rd row
Don't think you can go wrong with either vehicle, but I couldn't justify the huge cost difference between the armada and the Sequioa
Now I would say this -- if the 3rd row room in the Armada isn't good enough for you then there is no reason you should ever look at the 4runner.... If you really need more room than that the Sequia is pretty much your only vehicle (besides a school bus) that would provide this.
Finally as stated above - why not get the 4runner due to it lacking capabilities and then turn around and buy another vehicle that lacks the same features....
The Armada is being discontinued (confirmed in an article I read, but do not have the link). The final production run of a vehicle usually means low resale value. I think I also read that the Sequoia may be going out soon as well but nothing is confirmed. I really like the Sequoia - especially the black one that was sitting in the showroom for $60k @ Baeirl Toyota in Cranberry, PA!
They stopped making the Armada already, then brought it back. I personally don't think big SUV's are going anywhere. There's too many families that don't want to drive minivans and need more storage and large SUV's are the only real option for this. They'll just get better at achieving better fuel economy.
Chris
Chris
Here's some interesting differing information between KBB.com and NADA.com when pricing out the 4runner with options:
- NADA allows you to build a Limited with Third Row Seat as only option - $41,610 MSRP - $38,750 Invoice
- KBB doesn't allow you to build a Limited with just the third row...it requires the Nav package - $43,035 MSRP - $39,045 Invoice
- NADA & KBB allows you to build an SR5 with the following options:
- Premium Pkg w/ Leather
- AM/FM/CD/MP3 Audio System
- 3rd Row Seat
- Anti-Theft Alarm System
- 120V 400W AC PWR Outlets
- Electrochromic Rearview Mirror w/ Integrated Backup Camera
- $36,810 MSRP - $33,909 Invoice
After reviewing this, the only advantages to the Limited are the following over the above equipped SR5 that I can tell:
- Auto on/off headlights instead of just auto off
- X-REAS Suspension
- 20" wheels
- Dual Zone Climate Control
- 6-disc CD player and optional DVD Nav if desired
- Safety Connect
- Smart Key System
- The above costs an additional $4,800
To me, I'm now leaning towards the SR5 to save the money, because although dual zone climate control is nice, we don't use it much if ever on my truck in reality. 6 disc CD changer doesn't really matter, because you can directly connect your ipods via mini plug or usb. 20" wheels means your tires cost a lot more to buy...lol. X-Reas Suspension I can't comment on, because I haven't driven both back to back. Auto on headlights, although nice isn't that big of a deal as long as they turn off when you forget to turn them off, so when you think about it, it's the exact same thing...just leave them on all the time. They just won't come on or off by lighting sensors...big deal. Safety connect and smart key, although nice, are features that aren't necessities by any means for us. Cell phones tend to work most places for emergencies, and if not we have a SPOT.
Can anyone confirm that an SR5 can indeed be built just like I have it above? And, can anyone confirm that the third row seat can be ordered on a Limited without Navigation?
Ultimately, I wish the trail edition could be equipped like the SR5 listed above, because I'd buy it in a heartbeat. So, I'm checking on getting leather added and heat to the front seats, but you still will never have the 3rd row apparently.
Has anyone had the remote start installed at the dealer prior to delivery? I have it on my GMC, and I use it every day whether to warm up my diesel or cool it off in the summer...it's great. I was just curious how it works for the dealer installed one. Is it a separate key fob or integrated somehow into the existing one that comes with the vehicle?
Chris
- NADA allows you to build a Limited with Third Row Seat as only option - $41,610 MSRP - $38,750 Invoice
- KBB doesn't allow you to build a Limited with just the third row...it requires the Nav package - $43,035 MSRP - $39,045 Invoice
- NADA & KBB allows you to build an SR5 with the following options:
- Premium Pkg w/ Leather
- AM/FM/CD/MP3 Audio System
- 3rd Row Seat
- Anti-Theft Alarm System
- 120V 400W AC PWR Outlets
- Electrochromic Rearview Mirror w/ Integrated Backup Camera
- $36,810 MSRP - $33,909 Invoice
After reviewing this, the only advantages to the Limited are the following over the above equipped SR5 that I can tell:
- Auto on/off headlights instead of just auto off
- X-REAS Suspension
- 20" wheels
- Dual Zone Climate Control
- 6-disc CD player and optional DVD Nav if desired
- Safety Connect
- Smart Key System
- The above costs an additional $4,800
To me, I'm now leaning towards the SR5 to save the money, because although dual zone climate control is nice, we don't use it much if ever on my truck in reality. 6 disc CD changer doesn't really matter, because you can directly connect your ipods via mini plug or usb. 20" wheels means your tires cost a lot more to buy...lol. X-Reas Suspension I can't comment on, because I haven't driven both back to back. Auto on headlights, although nice isn't that big of a deal as long as they turn off when you forget to turn them off, so when you think about it, it's the exact same thing...just leave them on all the time. They just won't come on or off by lighting sensors...big deal. Safety connect and smart key, although nice, are features that aren't necessities by any means for us. Cell phones tend to work most places for emergencies, and if not we have a SPOT.
Can anyone confirm that an SR5 can indeed be built just like I have it above? And, can anyone confirm that the third row seat can be ordered on a Limited without Navigation?
Ultimately, I wish the trail edition could be equipped like the SR5 listed above, because I'd buy it in a heartbeat. So, I'm checking on getting leather added and heat to the front seats, but you still will never have the 3rd row apparently.
Has anyone had the remote start installed at the dealer prior to delivery? I have it on my GMC, and I use it every day whether to warm up my diesel or cool it off in the summer...it's great. I was just curious how it works for the dealer installed one. Is it a separate key fob or integrated somehow into the existing one that comes with the vehicle?
Chris
harper7
Senior Member
How you can have one built is entirely dependent on your region. Toyota in the US is broke up into several regions (2 regions,including mine ,GST, are even privately owned)with each region ordering 4Runners how they think their local customers want them.Like down here you can't even get 3rd row.You will have to talk to your local dealer or go online at Toyota.com and use your zip code,even though I found that to be wrong.Best to just go to a couple dealers to compare what they say.It's not like the old days where you sat down and chose from 40 different options.
Oh and you forgot the biggest difference in a Limited compared to a SR5 . Limited's have full time 4x4 with Locking Center differential and the SR5/TE's have Part Time 4x4.Also interior door panels,Int. color and Int.lighting,engine sound proofing.
T4Fun
Banned
can someone explain these modes in short. Dont understand them completely and there are hundreds of pages on toyota 4WD systems on edmunds forum
The default mode is the 4WD high. This way the center diff is unlocked but power is going to all wheels but the front and rear drive shafts can spin at different speeds.
The 4WD high w/ locked diff means that the front and rear driveshafts are spinning at the same speed and there will be no instance where more torque goes to the front instead of the rear or vice versa.
The 4WD low is exactly as the 4WD high except for a different gear ratio to allow more torque to reach the wheels.
The SR5 setup is different in that there is no center differential. It runs RWD in 2H. Once you put it in 4H, the transfer case starts sending torque to the front driveshaft and this is essentially the same as the 4WD w/ locked diff from above. Same goes for 4L; a lower geared ratio and still "locked".
Are there fuel mileage differences between the two systems?
maybe a mile or two from what i've noticed.
I had the same dilemma as you, almost. Did I want to spend the amount of money for the LE and have all my doodads, or get an SR5 or trail and get less? At the end I opted for the LE. My husband and I love the dual climate control, the nice gauges, and the leather and the cargo tray. When it came down to it, I didnt really want to fiddle with all the xtra knobs that a TE had, and nobody had the color I wanted anyhow...they were all either black or silver. nobody had the salsa or the shoreline blue, which is what I had really wanted.
I'm completely happy with my limited, and havent looked back. I've since traded my 20's for a set of FJ 17's, which ride much nicer, and put on the ventshades, so I can leave my windows cracked open when its hot and not have to worry about rain getting all up in my truck.
I went through these considerations as well. I finally ordered the limited. Unless you are an extremely hardcore 4 wheeler, the Limited will do. If you are that kind of 4 wheeler, the scares from doing hard core will quickly reduce the value of the vehicle. The lexus 460 does fit the bill better including the V8, but the barn door, plus substantially less room in the back ruled it out for me. Not to say an extra $15K for many luxury items I would never use.
Thanks for the reply. The plus on the LE for me, are the gauges, the dual climate, uniform leather color with dash, doors and glove box. The thrid row seats are not that important, nor is the slide out tray. I do have some concerns about AWD. Have always been a RWD person. I definatley do not like the 20" wheels and tires.
Do you have a photo of your truck you could email or post?
just search my username. i think i finally posted pics up of it with the 17'' FJ wheels under my wheel swap. That and I know my ride is in the pics of your ride for the 5th jens....page 12 or so.
that or google crewchief_chick at photobucket.com I have an album there that has pics of my limited.
(i'd post a pic, but i'm currently deployed and DOD computers/networks are slow and block most pictures people post due to the hosting site i.e. photobucket)
Nice. Thank you.
I also went back and forth between the LTD and the Trail w/KDSS, over many of the same this-vs-thats.
Decided to buy the Trail to save a few MPG, add heated seats and exchange everything else for the extra capability on whatever rutted up beaches or blizzard/slush covered NY/VT mountain roads and trails I may encounter.
Sold my car privately, went to pick up my Trail and wouldn't you know the driver's seat was broken. Bad. They couldn't fix it (I found out later the whole seat needed to be replaced...) and the only other 'Runner they had was the mag grey LTD I drove off the lot since I'd already sold my car...
Truth be told it was a blessing in disguise!
I hated the idea of a smart key until the first time I came off a night of fishing with my keys buried in my waders and didn't have to dig them out- love it... didn't care about dual zone until my girlfriend and then my 70 yr old mom both wanted heat when I wanted some AC- love it... the XREAS suspension makes my truck handle just like my 2001 Maxima SE (it's like driving while sitting on its' roof) which is insane for a vehicle of this size and weight- love that for sure... the first time I get to drive it from here to VT and don't have to think about spinning out in RWD on an exit ramp or bend~ I'm sure I'll love the full-time 4WD.... and I've come to learn that the LTD will be MORE than capable to handle any mischief I'll realistically ever need since I don't see any Moab-like outings in my future here in the northeast.
Couldn't be happier with the Limited!
YMMV but that's my 2 cents :hatsoff:
Decided to buy the Trail to save a few MPG, add heated seats and exchange everything else for the extra capability on whatever rutted up beaches or blizzard/slush covered NY/VT mountain roads and trails I may encounter.
Sold my car privately, went to pick up my Trail and wouldn't you know the driver's seat was broken. Bad. They couldn't fix it (I found out later the whole seat needed to be replaced...) and the only other 'Runner they had was the mag grey LTD I drove off the lot since I'd already sold my car...
Truth be told it was a blessing in disguise!
I hated the idea of a smart key until the first time I came off a night of fishing with my keys buried in my waders and didn't have to dig them out- love it... didn't care about dual zone until my girlfriend and then my 70 yr old mom both wanted heat when I wanted some AC- love it... the XREAS suspension makes my truck handle just like my 2001 Maxima SE (it's like driving while sitting on its' roof) which is insane for a vehicle of this size and weight- love that for sure... the first time I get to drive it from here to VT and don't have to think about spinning out in RWD on an exit ramp or bend~ I'm sure I'll love the full-time 4WD.... and I've come to learn that the LTD will be MORE than capable to handle any mischief I'll realistically ever need since I don't see any Moab-like outings in my future here in the northeast.
Couldn't be happier with the Limited!
YMMV but that's my 2 cents :hatsoff:
Koz
New member
The T4R has more total cargo space because of the power third row seats (in the GX) but the GX has more passenger room (leg and head room).
Koz
I'm a new owner of a Limited and new to this forum. I love this vehicle and look forward to many years of fun and adventures. I'm amazed at the number of people who seem overly concerned about the off-road capabilities of the 4Runner, regardless of model. They all have a lot of capability and are more than capable of handling difficult terrain. However, I can't see spending $40K+ on a vehicle and taking the chance of trashing it while using it for hare-core 4-wheeling. Buying a new 4Runner, if the intent is to use it for hard-core 4-wheeling, seems like overkill to me. Don't get me wrong, I intend to use my Limited in areas where 4WD is required, but most certainly will not be using it for hard-core wheeling anytime soon. For that, I'll pull out my trusty Jeep. The dual climate control in the jeep is pretty easy to operate.....each person can decide whether they want their window up or down. ( :
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