2016 Trail - 275/75/17s are rubbing - Thought I'd be OK

[BlacknTan]

Yeah I called my local dealer and they wanted $195. I think I am going to attempt my own version from the thread I posted a couple posts above this. Looks easy enough. I am going to grab some of those snips the TSB mentions to make the cut and a sanding block on the way home. Glad it's 10 degrees out today. My garage may be about 20 degrees warmer than that If I am lucky.

I am not familiar with those snips. Why does the TSB say to use the modified painted version of the snips and say to use the painted side against paint on the bumper? Are one sides of the jaws different or is that painted side some form of protection against the paint on the bumper?

It seems to me that they may have ground one face of the nippers back a bit so they would sit flush against the foam tape while making the cut. I can't see any dealer going through that procedure, but it does seem the proper way to do the job. I'm sure those nippers are readily available in the nearest Home Depot, and a careful hand could do the job just as well.

Please show us how it turns out..

 

[MNT4R]

Yeah I called my local dealer and they wanted $195. I think I am going to attempt my own version from the thread I posted a couple posts above this. Looks easy enough. I am going to grab some of those snips the TSB mentions to make the cut and a sanding block on the way home. Glad it's 10 degrees out today. My garage may be about 20 degrees warmer than that If I am lucky.

I am not familiar with those snips. Why does the TSB say to use the modified painted version of the snips and say to use the painted side against paint on the bumper? Are one sides of the jaws different or is that painted side some form of protection against the paint on the bumper?

Do you know where it's rubbing? Why don't you just take the mudflap off and move the fender liner forward and then see if that solves it? That will take you 10 min with a drill (for the fender liner) and a wrench (for the mud flap bolt). You may not need to snip, tape, or cut anything. It could also spare you a lot of time on the floor of your freezin' garage and/or $195.


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[jayhat]

Do you know where it's rubbing? Why don't you just take the mudflap off and move the fender liner forward and then see if that solves it? That will take you 10 min with a drill (for the fender liner) and a wrench (for the mud flap bolt). You may not need to snip, tape, or cut anything. It could also spare you a lot of time on the floor of your freezin' garage and/or $195.


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hahaha! Yeah good points. I am not going to buy the kit (just a set of those snips at Lowes). No I have not been able to look, I am probably not going to leave the office until 4-430 today. I got a friend lined up to come over and crank the steering wheel both directions so I can see where it's hitting. Once I know that I will move the fender liner forward and possibly take the mud flap off. If it still hits, I will trim the bumper.

 

[MNT4R]

hahaha! Yeah good points. I am not going to buy the kit (just a set of those snips at Lowes). No I have not been able to look, I am probably not going to leave the office until 4-430 today. I got a friend lined up to come over and crank the steering wheel both directions so I can see where it's hitting. Once I know that I will move the fender liner forward and possibly take the mud flap off. If it still hits, I will trim the bumper.

Sounds like a solid plan. If that fails, there is always the Professional Grade Trim Modification Tool (i.e. Sawzall)

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[Hatch001]

hahaha! Yeah good points. I am not going to buy the kit (just a set of those snips at Lowes). No I have not been able to look, I am probably not going to leave the office until 4-430 today. I got a friend lined up to come over and crank the steering wheel both directions so I can see where it's hitting. Once I know that I will move the fender liner forward and possibly take the mud flap off. If it still hits, I will trim the bumper.

I would be much money that it will be rubbing in the 2 spots the arrows point to. that is where mine rubbed before the lift. The arrow behind the wheel was on the mud flap and I could see that when I turned full lock and got out and looked. There was even evidence on the mudflap. I removed them, no worries. For some reason there is a hump on the mud flap right where the tire lands at full lock. The front arrow is actually rubbing on the bumper, but was only when in reverse and turning sharply. You can see where it rubbed paint off in the 2nd pic. When I removed the mudflap, I would say 90% of the rubbing went away. I was careful not to turn too tight when backing up and I rarely ever rubbed.

I am not sure what damage it would cause. I am sure the mudflap would eventually have a hole in it. To me it was more an annoyance and I was worried more about hurting the tires. Had I not added the lift I would have trimmed that little piece of bumper with a dremel or knife as it wouldn't be noticeable.

 

[jayhat]

I would be much money that it will be rubbing in the 2 spots the arrows point to. that is where mine rubbed before the lift. The arrow behind the wheel was on the mud flap and I could see that when I turned full lock and got out and looked. There was even evidence on the mudflap. I removed them, no worries. For some reason there is a hump on the mud flap right where the tire lands at full lock. The front arrow is actually rubbing on the bumper, but was only when in reverse and turning sharply. You can see where it rubbed paint off in the 2nd pic. When I removed the mudflap, I would say 90% of the rubbing went away. I was careful not to turn too tight when backing up and I rarely ever rubbed.

http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w40/hatchttu/image1 1_zpsuwkexvmp.jpg

http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w40/hatchttu/image2_zpslb7nr2ob.jpg

I am not sure what damage it would cause. I am sure the mudflap would eventually have a hole in it. To me it was more an annoyance and I was worried more about hurting the tires. Had I not added the lift I would have trimmed that little piece of bumper with a dremel or knife as it wouldn't be noticeable.

Haha! Well I am came in here to update the post after working on it tonight and you are correct, sir!

The MAJORITY of the rubbing was the hump on the mudflap. The rest is the on the little section of bumper cover that sticks out past the wheel well liners. I moved those forward too just in case but I really need to trim the bumper a little. It was cold and I was tired so I did a quick test drive and called it quits for the night.

The major loud rubbing sound (sort of popping) is gone. The snow was frozen and really loud/squeaky to drive on, so I need to wait until I am on a quiet dry parking lot again to see where I am still hearing any rubbing.

I just hacked the bump out of the mudflap since I like the look of them being on. I sort of wish I would have just heat gunned it and pushed it out.
http://i.imgur.com/cKebGv7.jpg

mounted
http://i.imgur.com/Qx8mBFz.jpg

What I want to trim
http://i.imgur.com/0nY0d1Z.jpg

 

[jayhat]

It seems to me that they may have ground one face of the nippers back a bit so they would sit flush against the foam tape while making the cut. I can't see any dealer going through that procedure, but it does seem the proper way to do the job. I'm sure those nippers are readily available in the nearest Home Depot, and a careful hand could do the job just as well.

Please show us how it turns out..

You're right, on those they ground down both sides. I got some at lowes today but didn't end up using them or cutting the bumper yet. All the ones they had, had sort of a beveled edge down to the blade. Not sure how an unmodified one would work to cut the bumper. When I do that, I think I may use a power tool, hand hacksaw, or just use a razor. See my last post in this thread though, I think I fixed most of the rubbing.

 

[Lindenwood]

A razor blade will cut nicely through the bumper plastic, also.

 

[roborob1969]

A razor blade will cut nicely through the bumper plastic, also.

I used a dremel to cut my fender (below). It no longer rubs there, but now getting very slight rub on in inner fender liner...which I'll pull back to resolve that.

 

[Laddie3432]

About to........

I'm going to Discount Tire tomorrow morning to have 275 70 17 Coopers put on my 16 TE. I will be using the stock rims and have installed bilsteins 5100s all around.

Will the new tires rub?

Thanks................

 

[roborob1969]

I'm going to Discount Tire tomorrow morning to have 275 70 17 Coopers put on my 16 TE. I will be using the stock rims and have installed bilsteins 5100s all around.

Will the new tires rub?

Thanks................

word on the street (forums) is that using stock wheels with 275/70/17's won't rub ... but ymmv

 

[jayhat]

I'm going to Discount Tire tomorrow morning to have 275 70 17 Coopers put on my 16 TE. I will be using the stock rims and have installed bilsteins 5100s all around.

Will the new tires rub?

Thanks................

I agree with [MENTION=91865]roborob1969[/MENTION]. Non stock spec wheels are what killed it for me. You should be fine but as always YMMV.

 

[roborob1969]

no more rubbing...

After my initial cuts on the bumper, I finally pulled the fender liners in about 1" on each side.... took all but 5 minutes per side!

 

[Laddie3432]

They don't rub...........

I had the copper 275 70 17 at3 installed yesterday on my stock trail wheels and they fit fine. Very happy with the tires.
Other than Discount Tire scratching 3 of the 4 wheels it was a great experience.

 

[bofa]

I had the copper 275 70 17 at3 installed yesterday on my stock trail wheels and they fit fine. Very happy with the tires.
Other than Discount Tire scratching 3 of the 4 wheels it was a great experience.

Had them scratch a black 20" wheel on a brand new Grand Cherokee. They will replace it.

 

[[APOP]]

After my initial cuts on the bumper, I finally pulled the fender liners in about 1" on each side.... took all but 5 minutes per side!

1.) How did you pull them back?
2.) Any more rubbing?

 

[Glandnut]

Other than Discount Tire scratching 3 of the 4 wheels it was a great experience.

Screw that man, that is nothing about a great experience!

 

[roborob1969]

1.) How did you pull them back?
2.) Any more rubbing?

1. I pulled them back from the method that [MENTION=50362]jayhat[/MENTION] posted a page back...starting from the 5th picture.

http://www.toyota-4runner.org/5th-gen-t4rs/223710-285%92s-2016-4runner-trail-fender-liner-mod.html

2. Actually, I am getting very very little rub, but its only when wheels are turned at full lock AND breaking at the same time. I attribute that to the nose dive. I'll have that resolved soon with the Bilstein 6112's I'm about to have installed though.

Hope this helps!

 

[Colorado S14]

1. I pulled them back from the method that [MENTION=50362]jayhat[/MENTION] posted a page back...starting from the 5th picture.



2. Actually, I am getting very very little rub, but its only when wheels are turned at full lock AND breaking at the same time. I attribute that to the nose dive. I'll have that resolved soon with the Bilstein 6112's I'm about to have installed though.

Hope this helps!

It is most likely from bushing deflection in the suspension, under braking you are deflecting the bushing and pushing the suspension back. I get front bumper rub from mine and only in reverse when the suspension is deflecting the other direction towards the front of the truck.

You caster angle will effect this as well. When I first did the Bilstein lift and wheels/tires on mine I was rubbing on the mud flaps in the back. After the alignment and having them set the caster back closer to normal I stopped rubbing in the back and now rub up front.

 

[roborob1969]

It is most likely from bushing deflection in the suspension, under braking you are deflecting the bushing and pushing the suspension back. I get front bumper rub from mine and only in reverse when the suspension is deflecting the other direction towards the front of the truck.

You caster angle will effect this as well. When I first did the Bilstein lift and wheels/tires on mine I was rubbing on the mud flaps in the back. After the alignment and having them set the caster back closer to normal I stopped rubbing in the back and now rub up front.

Interesting! That makes sense. After my lift and alignment, I'll have to check where the rub shifts to...then go from there again!

My initial fender mod was just to get rid of the annoyance, until I did the lift. Now...to find a reputable shop here in the Dallas area that has a lot of experience with 4Runners....which are hard to find.