4th Gen Suspension Options/FAQ

All, I am looking to buy a lift kit for my 03. At some point I will be adding front and rear bumpers which will add weight. Is there an order to which I should do the upgrades? I saw that for OME lifts they make note to install bumpers first. Is this true for all lifts? Thanks


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Along with my original post above, will i need to worry about the bushing on the lower control arm or the ball joint, with the miles I have on?

I was in a similar situation as you, best thing you can do is get under the vehicle and inspect the bushings and ball joints. My bushings are showing obvious signs of being worn out, however my ball joints are still in decent condition. I'm holding off on doing the more costly (labor) bushings until the ball joints start showing signs of needing to be replaced as well. If they're original at your mileage, they're likely worn out.
 
2006 4Runner v6 2wd

I have front suspensions components off of a 2011 tundra rock warrior 4wd 5.7 off road package. I know the strut mounts are different between my 2006 4Runner and the tundra but if I swap out that mount for my 4Runner mount would the tundra coils and struts work? Has anyone done this and how much lift did you get out of it? By swapping mount I mean the strut mount that holds the spring and strut together. It would be swapping from the tundra 4 stud mount to 4Runner 3 stud mount.
 
Help!

Hey guys my name is Noelle I am looking to buy a 2004 4runner with that 126,000 miles on it. It has had regular upkeep and quite a bit of work done to it timing belt changed 1 time and water pump changed twice, with only 1 owner. I live in Colorado, it is a 4x4 and I'm just looking to see if I'm getting a good price. They want $9900 for it. Please help thanks!
 
Hey guys my name is Noelle I am looking to buy a 2004 4runner with that 126,000 miles on it. It has had regular upkeep and quite a bit of work done to it timing belt changed 1 time and water pump changed twice, with only 1 owner. I live in Colorado, it is a 4x4 and I'm just looking to see if I'm getting a good price. They want $9900 for it. Please help thanks!

What is the trim level? SR5, Sport, Limited? Is it from out of state or always a CO car? Does the center diff work properly? Both 4x4 and high, low setting? Air suspension? So many questions, lol.

Need more info. :hello:
 
Opinion for this Alternative to Spacers???

**************************INTRO**************************

I've noticed a lot of threads asking about the various lift options for the 4th Gen 4runner. I've seen this done on other sites, but never saw anything here. I'm no expert, actually knew nothing when I bought my 4runner and joined about 2 years ago. My knowledge is from personal experience and info gathered on this and other sites. I've put together a list of the most common lift types along with common choices for each time. With this I also tried to include enough information to answer most of the basic questions regarding each lift setup. I'll admit that I don't know as much about coilovers as I've not had them, so that section is quite a bit shorter than the others. If you guys have anything to add or see anything that is incorrect, please let me know so I can get it added/changed. I just got this idea and started typing at about 12 am, so it's very possible that I may have gotten some details wrong or left something important out. I hope some of you will find this information helpful and maybe this will help reduce a lot of the same questions being asked over and over again.

**************************Factory Suspension Info**************************

The first thing to consider when searching for a new lift is whether or not your 4runner has XREAS and/or the rear air suspension (RAS). XREAS comes standard on all Sport Editions, and it is an option on the Limited. RAS is paired with XREAS and was only an option on the Limited. It’s possible to have a Limited with XREAS and not RAS, but not possible to have RAS and not XREAS (unless it has been removed). The easiest way to determine if you have XREAS is to look at the shocks. If you have it, you’ll see a line attached to the shock. If you have RAS, you’ll have a height indicator on the dash and a height adjustment/off switch on the center console. If you have the base suspension, you can easily choose any of the options. If you have XREAS and would like to keep it, you are limited to using a spacer lift. If it needs replaced or if you’d just like to replace it, you can pull the stock system, you’ll just need to use the proper disconnect points for the shocks. The proper disconnect points are 6-12 inches down the line from the shock, not at the shock. It is advised to have all four wheels in the air prior to disconnecting the shocks.

If you have RAS, you are limited to a spacer lift in the front only; there are currently no lift kits available for the rear that will work with the factory air bags. It is possible to adjust the height of the “normal” position; this gives you the option of lifting the rear utilizing the air bags. However, as more air is added, you will sacrifice ride quality. Instructions for adjusting the RAS can be found on the last page of the PDF attached to this post.

More information on XREAS can be found here.
Once you have determined which suspension options are installed on your 4runner and if you’d like to keep/replace them, you can start choosing your lift setup based on your needs/budget. None of these lists are inclusive. This is meant more as a guide than a complete list of available options. I’m listing the most popular options I’ve seen.

**************************Aftermarket Lift Options**************************

Spacer lifts:
Spacer lifts are designed to work with your factory suspension components. This type of lift is great for those looking to keep the stock XREAS. Spacer lifts provide added clearance for off road, but they provide no other benefits. If you spend a lot of time off road, or even occasional off road that’s at a moderate level, this probably isn’t the best option for you. Spacer lifts are not made to handle added weight, such as front/rear bumpers. Spacer lifts have very little effect on ride quality. All spacer lifts are essentially created equal. About the only difference between them is the material they’re made of, all end up with the ame results.

Lift amounts range from ½” to 3”. With spacer lifts, it’s important to determine you want. Some people use these to simply get rid of the factory rake. This is accomplished by raising the front 1”-1.5” (most common, some have used different amounts). Others choose to lift both the front and rear. It is common for the kits to be sold in unequal sizes. The front is typically 1” higher than the rear, which also helps to get rid of the factory rake. It is important to note that you will gain double the spacer thickness in lift in the front ONLY. For example, a 1” thick spacer will provide 2” lift. A 1.5” rear spacer would net 1.5” lift.
Here are common choices for spacer lifts, listed by manufacturer.

Cornfed
• Front: 1” net lift spacer
• Kits: 2” front & 1” rear net lift, 3” front & 2” rear net lift

Daystar-
• Front: 1” thick Budget Boost spacer, 2.5” net spacer
• Rear: 1.5” thick spacer
• Kit: 2.5” front & 1.5” rear

Toytec
• Front: 1/4” thick spacer, ½” thick spacer, 2” net lift spacer, 2.5” net lift spacer, 3” net lift spacer
• Rear: 1.5” thick spacer
• Kit: 3” front & 2” rear net lift

Lift Coils and Shocks:
Lift coils and aftermarket shocks come at a higher price than spacer lifts, but also offer a variety of benefits. These are great for mild to moderate off road use and still have excellent on road characteristics. Unlike spacer lifts, these vary greatly depending on which ones you go with. Lift amounts tend to vary as well, depending on how worn your factory springs are. There’s a little more guess work involved to determine how much lift you will gain. Lift numbers are approximate.

OEM FJ Springs:
• Springs from a 2007+ FJ Cruiser are a direct swap to the 4th Gen 4runner.
• Shocks from a 2007-2009 FJ are a direct swap. Shocks from a 2010+ require some minor modification to fit. Details on the modifications can be found in this thread.
• These provide on average ½”-1” lift on the front, ¼”- ½” lift on the rear, depending on if you have a v6 or v8 engine and 2wd or 4wd.
• Most people buy them used from FJ owners who’ve upgraded
• More information can be found on the following pages
- http://www.toyota-4runner.org/suspension/78803-compiled-fj-springs-lift-info-4th-gen.html
- http://www.toyota-4runner.org/suspension/78933-4th-gen-all-whove-done-fj-swap.html

Bilstein 5100 Shocks
• Unlike most shocks, the Bilstein 5100 front shocks are adjustable for various amounts of lift.
• Lift settings are 0”, .85”, 1.75”, and 2.5”
• These offer great ride quality and are a good choice for a stock replacement.
• It is very common to pair these with FJ, OME, and Toytec Coils for added lift/performance

OME (Old Man EMU, not to be confused with stock, OEM)
• OME offers different coil options for v6/v8 4runners and also for those at stock or with added weight.
• Provide lift by using more wraps of coils and higher spring rate
- Higher spring rate = stiffer ride
• Front coils-should provide 2.5”-3” lift for listed application
- 883-Good for leveling the front with stock rear-approx 1.5" lift
- 884-For use on stock weight v6
- 885-For use on stock weigh v8, or v6 with added weight
- 886-For use on v8 with added weight
- Front coils often combined with ¼” thick spacer for a full 3” lift
• Rear coils
- 895e-stock weight, 1” lift
- 895-stock weight, 2” lift, over 40% stiffer than stock
- 896-weight added, 2” lift

Toytec:
• Superflex rear coils
- Great option for stock weight , 2” lift, 10% stiffer than stock

This thread shows specs (such as length and spring rate) on most of the coils listed above.
http://www.toyota-4runner.org/4th-gen-t4rs/162125-coil-rates-oem-4runner-oem-fj-moog-others.html

Coilovers
These are some of the best suspension systems available. Coilovers refer to the front shocks only. Most are sold in kits with rear shocks/coils that are matched to the fronts. These are best suited for more hardcore off-road use, but they are also excellent on road. The front coilovers are adjustable for lift, typically up to 3”-3.5” lift. This is a huge benefit of coilovers, you can adjust for added weight. In addition, unlike ordinary shocks, most can be rebuilt in case of failure, and also revalved to dial in the ride.
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• Offer a variety of kits to suit your needs
Overland Warehouse
• Kits are designed specifically for the 4runner, unlike other kits which are universal to this platform
• Offer both a 2.0 kit for stock weight vehicles and a 2.5 kit for those with added weight.
• Extended travel kits include an extension bracket for the rear brake lines, info on this in a moment.
Toytec
• Their coilovers are more of a cross between standard shocks and coilovers
• They use Bilstein 5100’s and an added coilover conversion kit.
• Cheaper than other coilover options
• More difficult to adjust once on the vehicle
• Shocks are not rebuildable/revalvable


**************************Misc Lift Info**************************

As you get closer to 3" lift, you can begin to run into other issues. Three things come to mind.
First, at 3" and higher, you begin running out of caster adjustment on the stock upper control arms (UCA's). Aftermarket UCAs may be required to get the front end alignment back into spec. Here's a great thread discussing various options and benefits of the different UCA's offered.
Second, it's fairly common for there to be contact between the swaybar and front coils. To resolve this, you need to install swaybar relocates. There's no definite way to know you'll need these. My suggestion is that if you're going for 3"+ of lift, you probably should go ahead and invest in the relocates.
A third thing is a diff drop, which is intended to reduce the angle on the CV's. It's the general opinion that these do very little to improve the angle and are not worth installing.

Info courtesy of Mark at OW
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Just as a notice of warning for many who install lift kits on 4th and 5th Gens...

Please be aware that when lifting your rig in the back you can stretch the rear brake line if you are not careful.

Check by raising your truck off the ground and allowing full droop. Check your brake line where it changes from hard line to rubber line (look for it roughly the left side of the rear axle as it comes down from the body).

Now you also need to confirm that your are at full flex! Get someone to stand on the left tire to make sure.

At Overland Warehouse we include a brakeline extension bracket with our extended travel kits to alleviate this problem. You can also change to longer braided lines but then, beyond the cost of the lines, you also have to drain and bleed the brake system.
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**************************Suspension Lift Installation**************************

I used Galactic_04's write-up as a basis for installing my OME front coils. I found it very helpful. If you loosen the eccentric bolts, you've got tons of room for installing the shock, definitely a much easier method. Another benefit of this method is that you do not have to separate the ball joint.
Other write-ups I've used/referenced (these are more targeted towards spacers, but process is very similar for lift coils):
Toytec Lift Install
JA's Lift Install
Daystar Lift Install
Daystar Install By Bulldog
Overland Warehouse Installation Guides
OME Install-no spring compressor method

UCA Installation
Install write-up for Donahoe (ICON) UCA's - Toyota FJ Cruiser Forum
Front Upper Control Arm Installation - Toyota 120 Platforms Forum

**************************Vendor Links**************************

Good sources for lift parts in addition to the manufacturer sites listed above:
Metal Tech 4x4
DownSouth Motorsports
4wheelparts
Slee Off Road
Wheelers Off Road

**************************Suspension vs Body Lifts**************************

Everything mentioned above would be considered a suspension lift. Suspension lifts are preferred over body lifts. Suspension lifts are generally considered "safer" and allow you to get a larger amount of lift than with a body lift. Suspension lifts lift the whole vehicle off the ground. Body lifts only lift the body off the frame, which does not provide any additional under belly clearance. Suspension lifts (spacer lifts excluded) give you greater flex off road, which is a huge benefit. Body lifts are best used when you are already running the max amount of suspension lift you can (3"-3.5" is considered the max). Body lifts will allow you to fit a slightly larger tire.

**************************Body Lifts**************************

By far the most common body lift is 4crawler. These can be purchased in heights up to 1.5". Toytec also offers a 1" body lift.
Up to 1", all you need are the lift blocks. At 1", you'll need the radiator drop brackets and the steering extension is recommended but not required. Anything over 1" requires both the radiator drop brackets and the steering extension. If you're interested in a body lift, here's a great thread detailing the installation process.

**************************Tire Size/Fitment**************************

Thanks to gaterose for providing the following information.
What does it take to fit x tire with x lift?
Front/Rear Lift Tire Size
Stock -
265/65R17
265/70R17* (except BFG A/T)

1/0
265/70R17* (31.6x10.4)
255/75R17 (32 x 10)

2/1
265/70R17
255/75R17

3/2
275/70R17 (32.2 x 10.8)
285/70R17† (32.6 x 11.2)
255/80R17* (33 x 10)

3/2 + 1-1.5" Body Lift
255/85R17† (34 x 10)
285/70R17†
305/65R17† (32.6 x 12)

* requires removal of mud flaps and probably minor trimming
† requires trimming and may require body mount chop (click here for details on body mount chop), upper control arms, and/or increased backspacing.

Add 5 to the middle number for 16" wheels, subtract 5 for 18" wheels (265/75R16=265/70R17=265/65R18)

The above assumes you're using stock wheels and no wheel spacers. Aftermarket wheels or wheel spacers will increase rubbing, more trimming will need to be done in order to fit the listed size.

**35's on a 4th Gen - The Fitment Guide**

Hey guys,

I'm new to this thread and am in the market for a 4th gen 4runner. I thought I wanted a 2006 sport edition but have been reading my options for lifting it are limited. A dealer just sent me a link to a lift for the xreas suspension and I wanted to get some real 4runner's opinions on it. It's called Rough County Suspension Lift Kit.

Here's a link to it: 3in Series II Suspension Lift Kit for 03-09 Toyota 4wd 4-Runners w/X-REAS [761] | Rough Country Suspension Systems®

What are your thoughts on this lift? Should I just get a limited or sr5 and put a 3" toytec lift? I love the look of the sport but need the hardcore off-road capabilities for rock crawling

Thanks!!!
 
Hey guys,

I'm new to this thread and am in the market for a 4th gen 4runner. I thought I wanted a 2006 sport edition but have been reading my options for lifting it are limited. A dealer just sent me a link to a lift for the xreas suspension and I wanted to get some real 4runner's opinions on it. It's called Rough County Suspension Lift Kit.

Here's a link to it: 3in Series II Suspension Lift Kit for 03-09 Toyota 4wd 4-Runners w/X-REAS [761] | Rough Country Suspension Systems®

What are your thoughts on this lift? Should I just get a limited or sr5 and put a 3" toytec lift? I love the look of the sport but need the hardcore off-road capabilities for rock crawling

Thanks!!!

You can remove the XREAS suspension doodads off the truck and put on whatever you want. It's easy just tear out all the extra hydraulic lines you don't even have to mess with any electrical connectors or anything, the system is completely mechanical.

In short, you can put on full-fledged adjustable coilovers on trucks equipped with XREAS. The link you posted are simple spacers allowing you to lift your XREAS equipped truck (keeping XREAS) but providing little offroad capability other than a taller truck.
 
Hey guys,

I'm new to this thread and am in the market for a 4th gen 4runner. I thought I wanted a 2006 sport edition but have been reading my options for lifting it are limited. A dealer just sent me a link to a lift for the xreas suspension and I wanted to get some real 4runner's opinions on it. It's called Rough County Suspension Lift Kit.

Here's a link to it: 3in Series II Suspension Lift Kit for 03-09 Toyota 4wd 4-Runners w/X-REAS [761] | Rough Country Suspension Systems®

What are your thoughts on this lift? Should I just get a limited or sr5 and put a 3" toytec lift? I love the look of the sport but need the hardcore off-road capabilities for rock crawling

Thanks!!!

I just installed that kit on my 4runner, in all honesty it's just a temporary fix(6m-1yr) for the look and to fit my tires. I wouldn't be comfortable using the kit for hardcore off-roading. What Inv4drZm posted is totally right, it's for height mainly and you shouldn't really worry about the trim/model for suspension unless you get a limited which I believe has air suspension on some, if I read it right. IMHO if you're a hardcore off-roader you're probably going to want to replace the stock/oem suspension on most vehicles anyway.
 
I just bought 5100's with Wheeler's (see Eibach/Sway-A-Way) Springs. Adjustable's set to stock setting with T1 coils in the front and 5100's and T12 springs in the rear. Wheeler's had a great price on the adjustables and their coils/springs will provide about a 2" lift without spacers. These are more heavy duty than Stock FJ stuff and the prices are reasonable. I found some like new T12's on the FJ forum for $100 shipped (would have been $60 more to get new T12's from Wheeler's), paid $482 for the adjustable Billy's with T1's installed (incl shipping) and $154 for the rears via Amazon (Summit also had a good price on rears) shipped to the door. All hardware installed or included. Total was $736 to my door. Wheeler's was great to work with. Highly recommend them. Goodbye XREAS! Install next week.

http://www.toyota-4runner.org/4th-gen-t4rs/222569-feedback-review-wheeler-t12-rear-coils.html

Gained about 3.5" of lift in the front and 2.5" in the back with this kit. Rides stiffer than XREAS, which was expected, but I really like it. Feels very sure-footed. The truck still has some rake with front adjustables set at stock height (first notch), which I am OK with. 0.85" setting would probably level it with no rear spacers. Still averaging over 20 MPG too. Tires will be next. For anyone considering a moderately-priced upgrade, this is a nice set up!
 
Gained about 3.5" of lift in the front and 2.5" in the back with this kit. Rides stiffer than XREAS, which was expected, but I really like it. Feels very sure-footed. The truck still has some rake with front adjustables set at stock height (first notch), which I am OK with. 0.85" setting would probably level it with no rear spacers. Still averaging over 20 MPG too. Tires will be next. For anyone considering a moderately-priced upgrade, this is a nice set up!

I installed this exact same setup about a month ago and really enjoy the improved ride and appearance. Did you also install the drivers side 1/4" spacer to prevent lean?
 
Thanks. So this would be the adjustable 5100/(2)884 combo on the front, and bilstein shocks/OME (2)895e springs in rear?

Would the 5100s be best on stock height or .85 for level ride? And Keep reading about a spacer for driver side to deal with gas tank.. is this really noticeable?
 
I installed this exact same setup about a month ago and really enjoy the improved ride and appearance. Did you also install the drivers side 1/4" spacer to prevent lean?

No, I am not that concerned with it and my crude measurements indicate that there is a difference between the driver's and passenger's sides. It doesn't affect the ride or handling, only appearance and most people would never even notice.
 
Thanks. So this would be the adjustable 5100/(2)884 combo on the front, and bilstein shocks/OME (2)895e springs in rear?

Would the 5100s be best on stock height or .85 for level ride? And Keep reading about a spacer for driver side to deal with gas tank.. is this really noticeable?

My setup uses Eibach Springs sold by Wheeler's out of Oregon (T1 coils for the front and T12 springs in back). My truck still has some rake and my crude measurements indicate that a 0.85 setting would come pretty close to leveling it front to back. I believe it will settle some though and I have no idea what that will be until I drive it for awhile. I honestly don't mind the rake I have now (which is much less than it was with stock XREAS) and probably won't move the snap ring off the lowest setting. I think running it there puts the least amount of stress on the shocks, although the Bilsteins have been proven to be very reliable even at the highest setting of 2.5".

As for a driver's side spacer, I did not install that because to me, it doesn't matter. I know some owner's want the truck perfectly level and have added this. Some have used FJ springs, which use a different one for the driver's side that is slightly taller, I believe. They are marked to distinguish the difference.

Bottom line is that these are great trucks and each owner has many options to make their vehicle unique. Best vehicle I have ever owned!
 
No, I am not that concerned with it and my crude measurements indicate that there is a difference between the driver's and passenger's sides. It doesn't affect the ride or handling, only appearance and most people would never even notice.

1/4" isn't much at all and if you can barely see it then it's certainly not a big deal. One thing I added while I was under there was to replace all the sway bar bushings with Energy urethane bushings. It's a cheap modification and helps stability a little bit. Just thought I'd throw that out there in case you're looking to tighten the handling up even more.
 
Any reason for the Eibachs over the OMEs other than price?

Dont mind a little rake, but do you think setting at 0.85 would cause problems?

Would it be better to go with the 2885 front coil and leave bilsteins at 0?

Thanks
 
Any reason for the Eibachs over the OMEs other than price?

Dont mind a little rake, but do you think setting at 0.85 would cause problems?

Would it be better to go with the 2885 front coil and leave bilsteins at 0?

Thanks


I went with the Toytec/Eibach 521600 springs from Wheelers. Its set at the bottom on 5100's and I have the V8, there is still a little bit of rake. Not as bad as the factory but its still there. In the future when I get a bumper I will put in a 1/2" top spacer and possibly go up to the .85 clip, maybe. I just don't like the idea of pre loading springs for lift. But thats just me.

If you want it level I would get a 1/2 to 3/4" top spacer with the Toytec/Eibach 112-620 or the 521-600. I have the OME 2895 and they pair up really nice, the ride is great.
 
My '04 sport (4L) needs new suspension. Has Daystar kit and leaky xreas - the ride sucks and it clanks when you hit bumps. The truck also doesn't have a front sway bar.

My thoughts -
2.5-3" OME kit. Is getting the upper control arms very necessary?

Bilstein 5100s, stock springs (150k), keep rear spacer/ditch the front?

5100s, FJ springs, keep rear spacer/ditch the front? Upper control arms really necessary?

I like the height I'm at, wouldn't mind more, but I don't want an alignment/driving nightmare. I drive on dirt/mud/snow, but I don't wheel or anything serious. Been through the alignment nightmares with lowered cars before and would really like to avoid that. I'm most interested in just 'setting it, and forgetting it.'

I'm assuming I'll be replacing bushings and things as the ride is currently atrocious. Timeframe is some time next week, hopefully. Also getting exhaust leaks fixed and dealing with the ABS/VSC lights....again. :D

I appreciate any tips. I just want the best bang for my buck, with low maintenance. Thanks.
 
Cool. Thanks for the detailed info. Can get a pretty good deal on the components that match your setup and I think with the spacer added it will be just what Im looking for.
 

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