4th v. 5th generation trail version
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The 09 is around $26,000 with close to 40,000 miles. Another $12,000 or so for the 11 with KDSS and Nav.
Is it the white one?
If so they reduced their price to like $24,900. Not sure why they cant sell it. They have been trying to sell that thing for over a month now.
harper7
Senior Member
A month isn't that long for a used car to sit on a used car lot.Very few people know how rare it is outside of us 4Runner enthusiast. I don't even think they know what they have.
Here is the Toyota dealer .............. They are asking $24,900 so it would sell for much cheaper of course ,especially if they want to move it at this time of year.I'm thinking $20-21k if it was'nt wrecked too bad.I'd have to see it in person. Used 2009 Toyota 4runner SR5 For Sale | Farmington Hills MI
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Well, this is not the optimal time of the year. Also, the iffy carfax could be scaring people off, though the issues look to be no big deal.
Thai
Elite Member
I personally would go for the 11k mile one for $30k...clean bill of health and only 11k miles. But yeah, if money is not too tight, then i would get a 2010 TE.
My experience
I had a 2005 4runner sport V8 4x4 and just bought a 2011 4Runner SR5 4X4.
I didn't really use any of them for offroading but I have used both in snow, here in MI. The new 2011 SR5 doesn't even come close to the ride quality of my sport V8. I think that the Xraes ( or what ever it was) was giving it a very stable and car like ride on the road even cornering at high speeed for a body on frame truck was excellent, the new SR5 is like my 1992 ford explorer in cornering (probably not as bad, but it reminded me on an occasion where my 2 tires were in the air and the car almost flipped over) I never had this feeling in my 4Runner sport eddition. The fulltime 4wheel drive was very convenient, you didn't need to think about putting your car in 4Wheel mode, when I had my sport edition, I wanted to be able to disengage it to save fuel, but now I realize it is worth the extra one mile or so per gallon. Your turning radius while in part time 4X4 mode is significantly limitted, even turning into a street on a dry pavement is awkword, and in order to be able to park between 2 cars, you have to get it back to 2wheel mode. The SR5 in 4Wheel high mode is as my sport eddition with locked diff. The previous V8 had tones of torque and was very strong, the new 4Runner even with higher horspower feels like you have to physically push it to go fast from a stop, obviously I am exagerating but my point is that the V8 was feeling much stronger. I test drove the a new 2010 4Runner a few months ago and than put a stone on it and said i will never buy it, and after an incident 2 days in a row, when I was standing at a red light and my car won't move when the light turned green because of snow and ice, I bought the 4Runner, an impuls buy.
I am regreting the sale of my 4th gen 4Runner very much and I sold it very cheap when the gas prices went to $4.50 and it had only around 20k miles on it. The new car is setting in garage and unless it is icy and snowing don't really feel like driving it. My wife likes it alot, but I think it is just the look and the fact that it is a new car and I hope she will enjoy it for many more years to come.
I had a 2005 4runner sport V8 4x4 and just bought a 2011 4Runner SR5 4X4.
I didn't really use any of them for offroading but I have used both in snow, here in MI. The new 2011 SR5 doesn't even come close to the ride quality of my sport V8. I think that the Xraes ( or what ever it was) was giving it a very stable and car like ride on the road even cornering at high speeed for a body on frame truck was excellent, the new SR5 is like my 1992 ford explorer in cornering (probably not as bad, but it reminded me on an occasion where my 2 tires were in the air and the car almost flipped over) I never had this feeling in my 4Runner sport eddition. The fulltime 4wheel drive was very convenient, you didn't need to think about putting your car in 4Wheel mode, when I had my sport edition, I wanted to be able to disengage it to save fuel, but now I realize it is worth the extra one mile or so per gallon. Your turning radius while in part time 4X4 mode is significantly limitted, even turning into a street on a dry pavement is awkword, and in order to be able to park between 2 cars, you have to get it back to 2wheel mode. The SR5 in 4Wheel high mode is as my sport eddition with locked diff. The previous V8 had tones of torque and was very strong, the new 4Runner even with higher horspower feels like you have to physically push it to go fast from a stop, obviously I am exagerating but my point is that the V8 was feeling much stronger. I test drove the a new 2010 4Runner a few months ago and than put a stone on it and said i will never buy it, and after an incident 2 days in a row, when I was standing at a red light and my car won't move when the light turned green because of snow and ice, I bought the 4Runner, an impuls buy.
I am regreting the sale of my 4th gen 4Runner very much and I sold it very cheap when the gas prices went to $4.50 and it had only around 20k miles on it. The new car is setting in garage and unless it is icy and snowing don't really feel like driving it. My wife likes it alot, but I think it is just the look and the fact that it is a new car and I hope she will enjoy it for many more years to come.
Hawkdog21
New member
He has an SR5, so no he does not.
He was also comparing two 4runners that are not mentioned in the OP, he said a lot of really good info about full-time 4wd, but keep in mind they were not trail editions OP, but like I said good insight into the t-case
I thought there was no trail edition in 4th gen
I thought there was no trail edition in 4th gen 4Runner, at least not called trail edition. The sport eddition, which I had was like the current trail. In any case, if I could return the car I would get the limitted with full time 4wheel drive and GPS. I need a third row seat and that is not an option in trail eddition. From what I undrestand the KDDS is more for off roading, so I doubt it will improve the handling on the road.
I think that ride quality is also very objective and also depends on what you are driving and have been driving. You should test drive them all and not only on a straight paved road but also try to corner it, speed it, go into an unpaved road so you get a good feel for the ride quality and buy what you like. The typical test drive is out of a dealer ship into a paved street, driving very carefully and than back. If you are going to be spending around $40k, take the car for a good spin.
I thought there was no trail edition in 4th gen 4Runner, at least not called trail edition. The sport eddition, which I had was like the current trail. In any case, if I could return the car I would get the limitted with full time 4wheel drive and GPS. I need a third row seat and that is not an option in trail eddition. From what I undrestand the KDDS is more for off roading, so I doubt it will improve the handling on the road.
I think that ride quality is also very objective and also depends on what you are driving and have been driving. You should test drive them all and not only on a straight paved road but also try to corner it, speed it, go into an unpaved road so you get a good feel for the ride quality and buy what you like. The typical test drive is out of a dealer ship into a paved street, driving very carefully and than back. If you are going to be spending around $40k, take the car for a good spin.
Trail edition
There were 2 sport edition cars in the 4th generation, the V8 had all time 4WD and the V6 part time 4WD, I think that even the V6 had a limitted slip diff, so I am not sure if the 4WD was exactly the same. I think they made the current trail eddition more hard core off roading car. So if you are into off roading than the current one might be a better option, if you are like me "WANNA BE, IN CASE IF" than you might not need the trail edition.
There were 2 sport edition cars in the 4th generation, the V8 had all time 4WD and the V6 part time 4WD, I think that even the V6 had a limitted slip diff, so I am not sure if the 4WD was exactly the same. I think they made the current trail eddition more hard core off roading car. So if you are into off roading than the current one might be a better option, if you are like me "WANNA BE, IN CASE IF" than you might not need the trail edition.
Thai
Elite Member
In 2009, Toyota made a limited production run of Trail Edition 4th gen 4runner based on SR5. And no, your SE is NOT equivalent to the 2010+ Trail...if anything your old SE has more in common with the 2010+ Limited model than the Trail Edition (XREAS, Multi-mode 4wd, etc.).
KDSS is an off-road tool. However, because it disconnects off-road, it allows Toyota to put on THICKER anti-roll bars...so, in essence, KDSS provides better on-road handling than a regular 4runner because it has thicker anti-roll bars (thus, less sway around corners, etc.). It is like having your cake and eat it too...it allows for better on-road handling while providing more axle flex off-road! :bravo:
I think that you did not do your research when you bought your 4runner. :shrug:
Hawkdog21
New member
^^^^ Exactly
Good info, and obviously I didn't do my research.
I am wondering what is the reasn of not offering third row seating for trail edition?:lookout:
Thai
Elite Member
Good info, and obviously I didn't do my research.
I am wondering what is the reasn of not offering third row seating for trail edition?:lookout:
It's a trail edition, not a minivan....
:not a minivan
You seem to know alot about the technical/mechanical site of the 4runners and I was wondering if there is any technical reason, why toyota is not offering the third row seat? LR4/LR3 and previous discovery are also not minivans but have third row seating options, I doubt that anybody is using a body on frame SUV like 4runner as a minivan, especially once you have tried the third row seat of the 4 runner, but few times a year you might run into situations, where you need an extra seat, and don't want to have a minivan setting in your garage just for those days.
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It's a trail edition, not a minivan....
You seem to know alot about the technical/mechanical site of the 4runners and I was wondering if there is any technical reason, why toyota is not offering the third row seat? LR4/LR3 and previous discovery are also not minivans but have third row seating options, I doubt that anybody is using a body on frame SUV like 4runner as a minivan, especially once you have tried the third row seat of the 4 runner, but few times a year you might run into situations, where you need an extra seat, and don't want to have a minivan setting in your garage just for those days.
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SeattleMike
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Considering the intent of the separate editions, it's far more likely that a Limited owner will need a third row of seat to go with the 20-inch rims and the heated leather interior. It's far more likely that a Trail Edition owner would need more cargo space than a 3rd row of seats.You seem to know alot about the technical/mechanical site of the 4runners and I was wondering if there is any technical reason, why toyota is not offering the third row seat? LR4/LR3 and previous discovery are also not minivans but have third row seating options, I doubt that anybody is using a body on frame SUV like 4runner as a minivan, especially once you have tried the third row seat of the 4 runner, but few times a year you might run into situations, where you need an extra seat, and don't want to have a minivan setting in your garage just for those days.
Thai
Elite Member
You seem to know alot about the technical/mechanical site of the 4runners and I was wondering if there is any technical reason, why toyota is not offering the third row seat? LR4/LR3 and previous discovery are also not minivans but have third row seating options, I doubt that anybody is using a body on frame SUV like 4runner as a minivan, especially once you have tried the third row seat of the 4 runner, but few times a year you might run into situations, where you need an extra seat, and don't want to have a minivan setting in your garage just for those days.
What Seattlemike said. As you found out, 3rd row in a solid-rear-axle vehicle is fairly useless...no legroom & no cargo room when 3rd row is up. This is why most abandon this silliness (except Toyota
). However, a 3rd row in a vehicle with IRS (independent rear suspension) makes slightly more sense since you actually have decent room back there for passengers (aka LR3/4). (Discovery 3rd row was a joke...due to rear axle.) Still, even with LR4, once the 3rd row comes up, you're left with little cargo space (and LR4 is the best of the bunch in this regard).
Uneek
Super Moderator
There was, but only for 2009. It's more of a package for the SR5, similar to the Urban Runner, which was more of a package for the Sport Edition.
It's a rare find, there's probably only a handful of members here who have a '09 Trail.
The 4th gen trims was less distinct. Just about any mechanical feature (except rear locker on the Trail) on the lower trims could be had on the Limited. Unlike the 5th where each trim has exclusive features only to that particular trim, it was possible to have it all aside from cosmetic features.
I have several 4Runners, 1996, 1997, 2006, 2010 TE.
I really love the multi-mode transfer case on the 2006. I have the URD Supercharger system on that 4Runner and when the roads start to get the slightest bit wet or snowy I run that in AWD mode or it is just a real handful. The AWD mode makes it drive so nice and keeps the power planted very nicely. I love pisssing off the the Mustang guys with the mall runner.
The one feature I really wish the 2010 had was that mulit-mode transfer case. I do feel it is a big step backwards for Toyota on that one. Other than that, the 2010 TE is a wonderful off road vehicle right out of the box. I have wheeled with lots of modified trucks and the completely stock TE put them to shame. The combination of the rear locker, A-Trac, and the KDSS is hard to match. Even with the stock tires the TE would just drove through and over stuff the other guys had a lot of problems with.
My other off road truck that the 2010 is replacing was the 1996 with dual ARB lockers, TC long travel and the full skid and bumper treatment. On that truck when I went off road I would have to manually disconnect the front sway bar and tie it up out of the way. With the KDSS I don't have to do that and the new truck is much more stable off road with it and yet it allows full articulation when needed. It is like magic. I have gone on some of the same off camber trails and obsticals and the 96 would feel tippy where the 2010 TE is very solid and stable. I really don't fully understand how it can do both at the same time, but it does and I LOVE IT!!
The crawl control and mulit-mode terrain, well, I would trade that for the multi-mode transfer case in a second.
Anyway, I got it to wheel it and so far it has made me very happy. Just installed my ICON lift and AT tires. In a few months is will have boost as well.
If any of you are considering the 2010+ TE for off road use, you are really going to like it.
G
I really love the multi-mode transfer case on the 2006. I have the URD Supercharger system on that 4Runner and when the roads start to get the slightest bit wet or snowy I run that in AWD mode or it is just a real handful. The AWD mode makes it drive so nice and keeps the power planted very nicely. I love pisssing off the the Mustang guys with the mall runner.
The one feature I really wish the 2010 had was that mulit-mode transfer case. I do feel it is a big step backwards for Toyota on that one. Other than that, the 2010 TE is a wonderful off road vehicle right out of the box. I have wheeled with lots of modified trucks and the completely stock TE put them to shame. The combination of the rear locker, A-Trac, and the KDSS is hard to match. Even with the stock tires the TE would just drove through and over stuff the other guys had a lot of problems with.
My other off road truck that the 2010 is replacing was the 1996 with dual ARB lockers, TC long travel and the full skid and bumper treatment. On that truck when I went off road I would have to manually disconnect the front sway bar and tie it up out of the way. With the KDSS I don't have to do that and the new truck is much more stable off road with it and yet it allows full articulation when needed. It is like magic. I have gone on some of the same off camber trails and obsticals and the 96 would feel tippy where the 2010 TE is very solid and stable. I really don't fully understand how it can do both at the same time, but it does and I LOVE IT!!
The crawl control and mulit-mode terrain, well, I would trade that for the multi-mode transfer case in a second.
Anyway, I got it to wheel it and so far it has made me very happy. Just installed my ICON lift and AT tires. In a few months is will have boost as well.
If any of you are considering the 2010+ TE for off road use, you are really going to like it.
G
