5th Gen - Toyota.com

jmc8387, come on back and tell us how you really feel :biggrin2:

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Definitely check out the 360 Views and Colors tab on toyota.com. Give her a spin!

http://www.toyota.com/4runner/exterior-360.html

I hate that rear bumper on the Limited/SR5. It looks like they are trying to make it sporty or something with the weirdness down at the bottom. I like the spoiler...thats about it for the back.
 
No rear wiper either or am I mistaken? Boooo.

That and HID headlights are what it doesn't have that I'd like. Neither are real deal-breakers as long as the important bits are there, but still kind of sucks.

it has rear wiper.it's hidden under the spoiler. better design IMO.
 
I hate that rear bumper on the Limited/SR5. It looks like they are trying to make it sporty or something with the weirdness down at the bottom. I like the spoiler...thats about it for the back.

I had the same initial reaction as you on a number of things you mention wrt throwing it together. They have undoubtedly saved costs in areas they hope most people wont miss. To us every little detail counts, so no memory seats and no LED taillights is a disappointment.

So far none of the do withouts are dealbreakers for me. They achieved their goal of making it a rough and ready wrt styling, its growing on me and will certainly be distinctive on the road. The angular tail is a bit much but the arc around the licence plate is intentionally to look like the T symbol on their truck advertising - repeated on the plastic step plate on the bumper.

You can also take a step back, and consider what else out there offers the combination that the 4Runner does. If we are able to spec a Limited with the Trail Editions 4WD systems and lockers and Nav, it would probably put it around $45k, now that to me is really a baby Landcruiser with a V6 (instead of V8), at a $20k discount. Pricing seems pretty fair to me when you look at it from that perspective, and to get there you have to save costs.

Its a niche model, and only sold in the US and Japan, so development cost recoupment must be a careful excercise, we are so lucky they didnt just stop making it!
 
I had the same initial reaction as you on a number of things you mention wrt throwing it together. They have undoubtedly saved costs in areas they hope most people wont miss. To us every little detail counts, so no memory seats and no LED taillights is a disappointment.

So far none of the do withouts are dealbreakers for me. They achieved their goal of making it a rough and ready wrt styling, its growing on me and will certainly be distinctive on the road. The angular tail is a bit much but the arc around the licence plate is intentionally to look like the T symbol on their truck advertising - repeated on the plastic step plate on the bumper.

You can also take a step back, and consider what else out there offers the combination that the 4Runner does. If we are able to spec a Limited with the Trail Editions 4WD systems and lockers and Nav, it would probably put it around $45k, now that to me is really a baby Landcruiser with a V6 (instead of V8), at a $20k discount. Pricing seems pretty fair to me when you look at it from that perspective, and to get there you have to save costs.

Its a niche model, and only sold in the US and Japan, so development cost recoupment must be a careful excercise, we are so lucky they didnt just stop making it!

:iagree: Well said.
 
Only two options for the TE model, KDSS and NAV. You would think KDSS would be standard on a Trail Edition.

That was my initial reaction, too, but there will plenty of people wanting to build one up and that would be an awfully expensive throwaway.

Btw, good call on the transfer modes. With Toyota's site up, any remaining doubts are fading fast.
 
$ 42,000 for Limited with Navi? What's going on here? Bare bones SR5 is $29,000. I know Limited is great, but 42 big ones? Come on now... I can get BMW X5 or even X6 just for little more money. Why would I want to pay close to 50 grand after sales and other taxes for 4Runner?
 
$ 42,000 for Limited with Navi? What's going on here? Bare bones SR5 is $29,000. I know Limited is great, but 42 big ones? Come on now... I can get BMW X5 or even X6 just for little more money. Why would I want to pay close to 50 grand after sales and other taxes for 4Runner?
Actually, that's very close to the MSRP of a 2003 Limited back when I got mine new. My 2003 V8 4WD Limited without navigation stickered just over $40k.

As for the BMWs, they are STRIPPED at MSRP. The cheapest X5 starts at $47.5k. That is with VINYL seats and no seat heaters. Add navigation, bluetooth, heated seats, etc., and you quickly reach $56k. The X6 is even more expensive.
 
Actually, that's very close to the MSRP of a 2003 Limited back when I got mine new. My 2003 V8 4WD Limited without navigation stickered just over $40k.

A 2009 4Runner 2WD Limited V6 -- yes, I don't need 4WD -- would have an MSRP of $37,855 (base price + destination + JBL, DRL, Tow Package, Moonroof, XREAS, spoiler).

A 2010 4Runner 2WD Limited V6 would have an MSRP of $38,565 (base price + destination).

So the new model has a ~$700 premium with some plusses (Smart Key, Bluetooth, iPod/USB, 15 speaker JBL, 20" wheels, backup camera, knee airbags, Optitron, dual 120V outlets, turn-signals in mirrors, etc.) and minuses (lose rear LEDs, memory seats, in-glass antenna, locking fuel door, running boards, burger tray in armrest, etc.).

That's not bad...still would like to hear someone's first-hand review of the interior materials/quality relative to the 4th Gen.
 
That was my initial reaction, too, but there will plenty of people wanting to build one up and that would be an awfully expensive throwaway.

Btw, good call on the transfer modes. With Toyota's site up, any remaining doubts are fading fast.
sure wish the center diff was an option on the TE...
 
it wont let me build a 2010 here in south carolina jus a 2009 :(

and am i seeing rear independent suspension??? im confused?
 
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$ 42,000 for Limited with Navi? What's going on here? Bare bones SR5 is $29,000. I know Limited is great, but 42 big ones? Come on now... I can get BMW X5 or even X6 just for little more money. Why would I want to pay close to 50 grand after sales and other taxes for 4Runner?

Yeah, $42k is not bad for one fully loaded. Although, with all the cost cutting measures, maybe it's not such a hot deal. A fully loaded 09 runs $45k.
 
It's amazing how many things they have cut out for 2010 inorder to save costs. What $40k vehicle doesnt have memory seats? In-glass antenna? LED's? No leather on the steering wheel of the Trail or SR5? On and on and on...

The truck just seems unpolished and thrown together. Another thing that bothers me is the two trianle up/down rubber buttons on the rear liftgate/license plate surround of the Limited. What an eye sore. They put it right in plain sight next to the "4Runner" logo. How tacky.

Another thing I noticed is that they dont show one picture of the rear end on their updated site. I guess Toyota US thinks it's the 4Runner's ugliest view too.

I am so disapointed in this truck. I have been waiting for this redesign for over a year now, but dont like what they have done. Toyota really let this one go. This has got to be one of the worst offerings I have seen yet. And thats saying alot considering all of their redesign vehicles in the last 5 years or so have been a let down for me. I dont know, maybe I am the only one who thinks this. There are way too many vehicles available new that I like everything about, I was just hoping tha the new 4Runner would one of them. I do like the Shoreline Blue color though. I dont think there will be one in my future. Ok, my rant is over.

:iagree: I will not be replacing my 4Runner with another new 4Runner in the immediate future.
 

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