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98 4runner $8500

pitpatt

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well, its time for something new... nothing wrong just grown out of it

-209k miles, automatic
-Toytec 3" Spacer Lift with topout spacer
-LC Coils in the rear
-Toyota 4runner spare steelies
-255/85/16 Maxxis Bighorns
-4 Hella 500's
-Sylvania Silverstar Ultras
-Coleman Roof Rack w/ light tabs
-Cobra 19 DX IV
-4ft. Firestik 2
-Fuse Block
-Kicker door speakers
-Aftermarket Kenwood cd player w ipod attachment
-Budwiser tab 4WD shift knob
-5% Tint
-Flowmaster 40 series
-NGK plugs and wires
-Deckplate mod

Also included - full size spare tire and wheel to match the maxxis, 32" bfg at tire, spare cv axle, anything else i can find that can go with it!

168200_533723103872_141101885_31301294_7690276_n.jpg~original


located in Knoxville, TN
 
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I will wish you good luck selling that. Money put into the truck in mods do not generally qualify as increased value, there are some exception but yours does not meet them, You have 209k miles on a 13 year old vehicle which is pre mid gen updates with the automatic transmission. The spacer lift in the front hurts value as do steel wheels, the tint is illegal in many areas and you have a high lift jack and barely a handful of places to use it. and i would personally value that truck with those mods and miles at $4500- $6000 (tops). But again i will say good luck with the sale.
 
I like this forum for the info that is available. But it does seem strange to me that any time someone asks slightly more than what someone thinks the 4runner is worth, they are sure to get comments about it. Obviously gumballs asking price of $18500 was ridiculous. But I would say if you have no interest in buying, there's no reason to drive someones asking price down. I also entirely disagree that modifications dont increase the value of a vehicle. That really doesnt make sense. Ask what you think the vehicle is worth. You might not get $8500, but as mentioned thats just a starting price. Better to start high and lower the price some then start low and lower it even more!
 
I also entirely disagree that modifications dont increase the value of a vehicle. That really doesnt make sense. Ask what you think the vehicle is worth.

It makes 100% perfect sense. Aftermarket is worth less than OEM. Any dealership or appraiser will tell you that. I work for Mercedes-Benz, and any time we get a car with aftermarket wheels, we deduct the value for the original wheels and then auction the vehicle. They will never make it to the lot.

I see exactly where you're coming from on this, but the reason I would never buy a modified truck is because you don't know how well everything was done, by who, how long ago, etc. Those factors will reduce a selling price. If they guy does it in his driveway, can you really trust him? I probably wouldn't even buy my own truck in a million years due to how much it's been modified. I wouldn't sell it either, I couldn't get much for all those pricey mods.

How do you know everything hasn't been messed with, hacked up, then half assed back together? Sure, a seller might tell you it was done right, show receipts, etc, but how do you know that he knows how to do work on a truck? You're just buying someone else's problem.

I'm a stock vehicle buyer only. After thorough inspection, most cars haven't had their door panels removed, suspension messed with, or anything. That way you know it can be tricked out, and tricked out right.

A lot of modded cars have cheesy wiring and fires just waiting to happen.

Not sure of OP, just talking generally. No offense man, but with that many miles and the fact that most every mod doesn't cost that much, $8500 is really optimistic. I don't even think I could sell my 99 with 185k (even if it was a V6 and 4WD) for near that.
 
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But if you look at some of his mods, like the tires, sterio, roof rack, lights . . . those kinds of mods arent removing anything from the original condition of the vehicle (except the sterio of course). There are no such thing as aftermarket tires, as the tires on the vehicle are always aftermarket right out of the factory. I would think that some of those mods, and maybe some other such as a supercharger, intake, exhaust, would increase the value. Fog light, roof rack, little extras like that dont replace or take away anything oem from the vehicle. They are additions. I would agree . . . theres no way of knowing for certain if the work done on the truck was done right. However, theres no way of knowing that even if all the vehicle is oem either. Maybe I did the work myself, and did a great job. Or maybe I did a crapy job and you will pay for it down the road. Maybe I brought it to a local auto shop and they did good work. Or maybe they messed it up. Could have used oem or moog parts. You wont know unless you inspect it. So I dont think thats a viable point to use in determining the value of vehicle. Even the dealership can do crappy work. I honestly trust my work above any shop (although I admit theres a lot Iv never done). But even if you completely disagree on all the above, a person can list their vehicle at what they think its worth. And like he said, its just a starting point.
 
But if you look at some of his mods, like the tires, sterio, roof rack, lights . . . those kinds of mods arent removing anything from the original condition of the vehicle (except the sterio of course).
Just some examples of what you'd hear: Tires are not factory size. The speedometer reads incorrectly. The mileage is therefor not correct. Roof rack does not matter. Lights are modifications, any cuts, holes drilled, etc, devalue parts. So, you're wrong, because they are in fact changing the original condition of the vehicle.


There are no such thing as aftermarket tires, as the tires on the vehicle are always aftermarket right out of the factory.
...Contradiction, much? It's obviously not the brand we're talking, if the tire is not the same size as what came factory, it is considered a part that "is not intended to fit" said vehicle. You lose value. Though, brand absolutely plays a part, too, if the tire is a quality brand. The Steel rims, also, will lower a vehicles value, as they are cheaper than factory alloys. Those wheels were simply not offered on this vehicle, so they are a loss in value.

I would think that some of those mods, and maybe some other such as a supercharger, intake, exhaust, would increase the value.

You'd think. If the supercharger is a correctly installed genuine TRD unit, then yes, I agree. An intake, though, is removal of factory parts. Go to the dealer and try to price the air intake system. It will cost much more than an aftermarket intake. You've essentially taken an expensive part and replaced it with a cheap part in the eyes of an appraiser. You've also eliminated factory parts, such as the intake silencer and intake elbow. The deckplate is a giant hole in your factory airbox, which essentially means it's a defective part and needs replacement. Value = down.The same goes for the exhaust.

Fog light, roof rack, little extras like that dont replace or take away anything oem from the vehicle. They are additions.
If the fog lights are factory, OEM parts, installed as they would be from the factory, then yes, they do not take away from the vehicle. His bumper does not support a factory fog lamp, so that would go against his value if he cut them into the bumper, not because they're aftermarket, but because that devalues the bumper.

I would agree . . . theres no way of knowing for certain if the work done on the truck was done right. However, theres no way of knowing that even if all the vehicle is oem either. Maybe I did the work myself, and did a great job. Or maybe I did a crapy job and you will pay for it down the road. Maybe I brought it to a local auto shop and they did good work. Or maybe they messed it up. Could have used oem or moog parts. You wont know unless you inspect it. So I dont think thats a viable point to use in determining the value of vehicle. Even the dealership can do crappy work. I honestly trust my work above any shop (although I admit theres a lot Iv never done).
You've contradicted yourself twice in your post, already. There is absolutely a way of checking for OEM. Inspect, as you said (which you also said there is no way to check? Contradictions...) I would never buy a used car without thoroughly inspecting everything, and I mean everything. Go through each inch of that ride with a fine tooth comb. I don't know what dealerships you're going to, because at my dealership, we set the bar. We are the company to go to, we do it once, we do it right. If I heard you maintained the car yourself, I would be skeptical and double check your work. I would much rather buy a car that was maintained at the dealership. Obviously, any bad wiring jobs, faulty installs, or damaged parts, would result in a degrade in value. If I saw aftermarket Moog parts, such as end links, bushings, ball joints, or tie rods, I would steer clear of that vehicle, or replace them immediately after purchase.

But even if you completely disagree on all the above, a person can list their vehicle at what they think its worth. And like he said, its just a starting point.

Of course. I agree. With 209k miles, that's a pretty high starting point, no offense OP.

Don't get me wrong, I like mods, mine is full of mods, but you can't get much for them. If I could sell my truck for it's cost and it's mods/parts prices, I'd be rolling in at least 20k.

But also, if I got in my truck, I'd degrade the center dash piece for having two holes in it (CB Mic mount). I'd also devalue it for the fact that the ash tray is cut out. I would devalue the front bumper, the flares, the after market lights, the dome lights (that I cut up to fit big LED boards inside of), and much more. Now, to an enthusiast, such as people around here, we'd be interested in paying a little extra for the already installed mods. The lot of us won't say a spacer lift or steelies would increase the value of a 3rd generation 4Runner. Again, no offense OP. It's just how it is, I don't control reality.
 
While these points may be valid. The seller didn't ask what his truck would be worth if he traded it in. He simply posted a price that some don't agree with.

I don't understand the barrage of comments on the price. Or if the mods increase or decrease the value. Who CARES! It's his truck, he could have asked $1,000,000 for all I care.

James, if you applied the same rational to your truck it would "appraise" for -$2,302. Mine would be worth -$1500 (Since yours has more mods than mine). :lol: Just trying to be a smart a$$. :banana:


Just some examples of what you'd hear: Tires are not factory size. The speedometer reads incorrectly. The mileage is therefor not correct. Roof rack does not matter. Lights are modifications, any cuts, holes drilled, etc, devalue parts. So, you're wrong, because they are in fact changing the original condition of the vehicle.



...Contradiction, much? It's obviously not the brand we're talking, if the tire is not the same size as what came factory, it is considered a part that "is not intended to fit" said vehicle. You lose value. Though, brand absolutely plays a part, too, if the tire is a quality brand. The Steel rims, also, will lower a vehicles value, as they are cheaper than factory alloys. Those wheels were simply not offered on this vehicle, so they are a loss in value.



You'd think. If the supercharger is a correctly installed genuine TRD unit, then yes, I agree. An intake, though, is removal of factory parts. Go to the dealer and try to price the air intake system. It will cost much more than an aftermarket intake. You've essentially taken an expensive part and replaced it with a cheap part in the eyes of an appraiser. You've also eliminated factory parts, such as the intake silencer and intake elbow. The deckplate is a giant hole in your factory airbox, which essentially means it's a defective part and needs replacement. Value = down.The same goes for the exhaust.


If the fog lights are factory, OEM parts, installed as they would be from the factory, then yes, they do not take away from the vehicle. His bumper does not support a factory fog lamp, so that would go against his value if he cut them into the bumper, not because they're aftermarket, but because that devalues the bumper.


You've contradicted yourself twice in your post, already. There is absolutely a way of checking for OEM. Inspect, as you said (which you also said there is no way to check? Contradictions...) I would never buy a used car without thoroughly inspecting everything, and I mean everything. Go through each inch of that ride with a fine tooth comb. I don't know what dealerships you're going to, because at my dealership, we set the bar. We are the company to go to, we do it once, we do it right. If I heard you maintained the car yourself, I would be skeptical and double check your work. I would much rather buy a car that was maintained at the dealership. Obviously, any bad wiring jobs, faulty installs, or damaged parts, would result in a degrade in value. If I saw aftermarket Moog parts, such as end links, bushings, ball joints, or tie rods, I would steer clear of that vehicle, or replace them immediately after purchase.



Of course. I agree. With 209k miles, that's a pretty high starting point, no offense OP.

Don't get me wrong, I like mods, mine is full of mods, but you can't get much for them. If I could sell my truck for it's cost and it's mods/parts prices, I'd be rolling in at least 20k.

But also, if I got in my truck, I'd degrade the center dash piece for having two holes in it (CB Mic mount). I'd also devalue it for the fact that the ash tray is cut out. I would devalue the front bumper, the flares, the after market lights, the dome lights (that I cut up to fit big LED boards inside of), and much more. Now, to an enthusiast, such as people around here, we'd be interested in paying a little extra for the already installed mods. The lot of us won't say a spacer lift or steelies would increase the value of a 3rd generation 4Runner. Again, no offense OP. It's just how it is, I don't control reality.
 
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While these points may be valid. The seller didn't ask what his truck would be worth if he traded it in. He simply posted a price that some don't agree with.

I don't understand the barrage of comments on the price. Or if the mods increase or decrease the value. Who CARES! It's his truck, he could have asked $1,000,000 for all I care.

James, if you applied the same rational to your truck it would "appraise" for -$2,302. Mine would be worth -$1500 (Since yours has more mods than mine). :lol: Just trying to be a smart a$$. :banana:

lol, I don't care about the price it's listed for, I just like to start debates. Gives me something to do. I'm not gonna sell mine, not ever :)

:bluejump:
 
Just some examples of what you'd hear: Tires are not factory size. The speedometer reads incorrectly. The mileage is therefor not correct. Roof rack does not matter. Lights are modifications, any cuts, holes drilled, etc, devalue parts. So, you're wrong, because they are in fact changing the original condition of the vehicle.



...Contradiction, much? It's obviously not the brand we're talking, if the tire is not the same size as what came factory, it is considered a part that "is not intended to fit" said vehicle. You lose value. Though, brand absolutely plays a part, too, if the tire is a quality brand. The Steel rims, also, will lower a vehicles value, as they are cheaper than factory alloys. Those wheels were simply not offered on this vehicle, so they are a loss in value.



You'd think. If the supercharger is a correctly installed genuine TRD unit, then yes, I agree. An intake, though, is removal of factory parts. Go to the dealer and try to price the air intake system. It will cost much more than an aftermarket intake. You've essentially taken an expensive part and replaced it with a cheap part in the eyes of an appraiser. You've also eliminated factory parts, such as the intake silencer and intake elbow. The deckplate is a giant hole in your factory airbox, which essentially means it's a defective part and needs replacement. Value = down.The same goes for the exhaust.


If the fog lights are factory, OEM parts, installed as they would be from the factory, then yes, they do not take away from the vehicle. His bumper does not support a factory fog lamp, so that would go against his value if he cut them into the bumper, not because they're aftermarket, but because that devalues the bumper.


You've contradicted yourself twice in your post, already. There is absolutely a way of checking for OEM. Inspect, as you said (which you also said there is no way to check? Contradictions...) I would never buy a used car without thoroughly inspecting everything, and I mean everything. Go through each inch of that ride with a fine tooth comb. I don't know what dealerships you're going to, because at my dealership, we set the bar. We are the company to go to, we do it once, we do it right. If I heard you maintained the car yourself, I would be skeptical and double check your work. I would much rather buy a car that was maintained at the dealership. Obviously, any bad wiring jobs, faulty installs, or damaged parts, would result in a degrade in value. If I saw aftermarket Moog parts, such as end links, bushings, ball joints, or tie rods, I would steer clear of that vehicle, or replace them immediately after purchase.



Of course. I agree. With 209k miles, that's a pretty high starting point, no offense OP.

Don't get me wrong, I like mods, mine is full of mods, but you can't get much for them. If I could sell my truck for it's cost and it's mods/parts prices, I'd be rolling in at least 20k.

But also, if I got in my truck, I'd degrade the center dash piece for having two holes in it (CB Mic mount). I'd also devalue it for the fact that the ash tray is cut out. I would devalue the front bumper, the flares, the after market lights, the dome lights (that I cut up to fit big LED boards inside of), and much more. Now, to an enthusiast, such as people around here, we'd be interested in paying a little extra for the already installed mods. The lot of us won't say a spacer lift or steelies would increase the value of a 3rd generation 4Runner. Again, no offense OP. It's just how it is, I don't control reality.

Cool beans man. You win
 
While these points may be valid. The seller didn't ask what his truck would be worth if he traded it in. He simply posted a price that some don't agree with.

I don't understand the barrage of comments on the price. Or if the mods increase or decrease the value. Who CARES! It's his truck, he could have asked $1,000,000 for all I care.

James, if you applied the same rational to your truck it would "appraise" for -$2,302. Mine would be worth -$1500 (Since yours has more mods than mine). :lol: Just trying to be a smart a$$. :banana:

Sure, it's a little bit subversive to criticize the price someone is asking for a vehicle, but if you post a listing on an owner's forum for that vehicle, then you better be asking a fair price, because let's be honest, no one here wants to see someone ripped off. We all have an idea of what this vehicle is worth based on the description, but a lurker or a newbie here may not. I know when I was searching for my 4runner it would have been good to get all y'all's opinions on the deal I was getting ('cept I didn't find this site until after I bought it). You might have pointed out that it wasn't such a good deal, and warned me about the rust issues I ended up with; probably would have caused me to make a different decision.

Anyway, Gumbalf never got upset about the criticism of his listing price, he just jumped in and boasted that he will sell it for that much. The OP may not like the criticism of his price, but the bottom line is that it is very high, and if he doesn't want comments, then he shouldn't list it on an owner's forum. List in on autotrader and craigslist. Any post on this forum is an invitation for comments (that's the whole point of the forum).

I mean, we are always about saving each other money aren't we?
 
IMO...keep your pricing comments to yourself. The buyer can research his own price. If you just can't keep it to yourself, pm the seller.
 
IMO...keep your pricing comments to yourself. The buyer can research his own price. If you just can't keep it to yourself, pm the seller.

I respect your opinion, but also respectfully disagree. We're all allowed to express our opinions.

Nelsonmd's post is of the perfect reasoning :) This board would be pretty boring if we all just kept to ourselves...
 

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