montana_jeepn
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Just finished my lift and now my ABS is engaging at under 10 mph on dry pavement. How many have pulled their fuse. Any issues?
ABS Brakes....how many have disabled it?
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BrianSD_42
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it is true that when offroad and going downhill and braking or braking on look gravel going downhill ...... SOMETIMES there is an issue with the ABS system. I've experienced it myself.
However the # of times I've used my brakes in over 12 years of ownership, lets SAY 100,000 times ..... I've only experienced an ABS issue < 10 times.
So you would be CRAZY to disable it for anything other than a temporary offroad drive and even then there really is no reason.
I've been offroading many times and this has never been a significant issue.
The fact is you NEED that ABS system for most driving conditions and it would be far more dangerous to disable it.
However the # of times I've used my brakes in over 12 years of ownership, lets SAY 100,000 times ..... I've only experienced an ABS issue < 10 times.
So you would be CRAZY to disable it for anything other than a temporary offroad drive and even then there really is no reason.
I've been offroading many times and this has never been a significant issue.
The fact is you NEED that ABS system for most driving conditions and it would be far more dangerous to disable it.
montana_jeepn
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criera
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I have mine on a switch. Since it hasnt already been said, my abs blows donkey balls in the snow and ice.
The momentary off switch on the low voltage side works well for me.
All that said it should not be engaging under normal use on dry pavement, sounds like something else going on.
The momentary off switch on the low voltage side works well for me.
All that said it should not be engaging under normal use on dry pavement, sounds like something else going on.
BrianSD_42
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My thoughts (no offense intended) .... That blog piece is stupid and definitely not worthy of the term article.
When they said this .....
I was like wtf! Really?
So this guy is claiming ABS doesn't not in any way decrease breaking distance on dry pavement. Wow.
I'd love to ask the author what he thinks "the truth is" about 9/11 or the moon landings. I'm sure he some pretty good answers.
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Jungoes
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Disabled in winter on in summer, had way too many close calls with abs coming on when driving on ice, now I can control it when and if I detect a skid,.
This is only my experience and not intended as advice for anyone, my abs has come on way too much, for very slow stops on ice and normal driving in winter. In my town with 8 months a year of winter I prefer it off, this may all change when I get my new hercules at2
This is only my experience and not intended as advice for anyone, my abs has come on way too much, for very slow stops on ice and normal driving in winter. In my town with 8 months a year of winter I prefer it off, this may all change when I get my new hercules at2
pluton
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I think this might be a bit of an overstatement.
I have always lived in dry Southern Cal, and I went 40 years without ABS.
In that time I never crashed the vehicle because I put on the brakes and then went into a skid*.
*= I may have crashed for other reasons, but not that.
BrianSD_42
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well to be fair it is probably a bit of an overstatement but I don't think turning off the ABS is a good idea.
my experience without ABS is from driving my Grandparents old vehicles when I was much younger. I only locked up a few times but then again I only drove that vehicle for a small amount of time.
It sounds like some of you have had a lot more problems with your ABS on the 4Runner than I have had.
my experience without ABS is from driving my Grandparents old vehicles when I was much younger. I only locked up a few times but then again I only drove that vehicle for a small amount of time.
It sounds like some of you have had a lot more problems with your ABS on the 4Runner than I have had.
Robb235
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I've read several of these ABS threads, and I've noticed a lot people who have issues with the T4R ABS seem to have them on snow and ice. You're profile indicates that you're in San Diego, so I'm guessing you've not encountered many snowy conditions in your 4Runner.
Ok, so you haven't had serious issues or incidents, but what about all the people who have? I've read too many stories about people who've almost (or have) collided with other vehicles on the trails because the ABS went nuts and wouldn't allow the brakes to function. Or stories where someone almost drove it into a lake or some other object thanks to ABS disabling the brakes. I think there's too many of these stories for there not to some sort of issue with the T4R ABS.
txbonds
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It's off road and on trails where I don't like abs. When one tire has the slightest slip the abs sensor sometimes does its thing causing a loss of driver control on the obstacle. Bumpy downhill or slippery rocks are,the worst. I can think of many times this happened on my land rover until I finally got an override function allowing me to disable abs when off-roading.
On road I want mine in though but like some I'm not driving on snow and ice here in FL.
On road I want mine in though but like some I'm not driving on snow and ice here in FL.
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98OzarksRunner
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I would think twice about disabling ABS except when off-roading. Disabling a manufacturer's safety feature could open you up to huge liability issues if you have an at-fault accident, or even if it isn't your fault the other party's lawyer could say 'he could have stopped and prevented the accident had he not disabled the ABS, therefore my client isn't completely at fault'. I don't know that they would but an insurance company might even be able to get out of a claim if it were proven that ABS working would have prevented the accident. And assuming they do pay, a 'victim's' lawyer might claim that disbling the ABS shows 'wanton disregard' or 'gross negligence' or something and get a jury to award money that would far exceed what your insurance would pay ('your honor, since the defendent acted with wanton disregard by disabling a manufacturer's safety feature, we ask that you award the poor, disabled plaintiff $10,000,000').
I know we do lots of other things to override manufacturer safety features (like bumpers) but messing with brakes is a probably big no-no from a liability standpoint.
I know we do lots of other things to override manufacturer safety features (like bumpers) but messing with brakes is a probably big no-no from a liability standpoint.
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hearno
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That's a stretch at best. There are cars made today that don't come with ABS, standard. I remember the mid nineties accords had modulators failing left and right and owners didn't want to spend the money to replace them. The cars drove fine, you just had to remember it now operated like it had regular brakes. People weren't getting sued because they couldn't or didn't want to pay to make a repair that didn't keep the car from being driven.
Absolutely not true. They're a valuable safety feature but not needed and as long as you know how to threshold brake, you're fine. Pull the fuse and call it good.
98OzarksRunner
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But that's a little different than deliberately disabling them. In my business we have a saying, 'if the ___ hits the fan, everybody gets sued so you better have your butt covered' and doing something like this is definitely leaving your butt uncovered.
Blitzkrieg
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Back when ABS first came out there was some reports of people getting in accidents because of it.
What they determined is that people were freaking out when the ABS was doing its job and they would let off the brakes causing an even longer stopping time.
I have driven in the worst of Colorado weather my whole life and I would never want to be without my ABS. It can stop my vehicle much faster than I can pump the brakes and it is also hooked into the VSC which works very well in the 4Runner.
What they determined is that people were freaking out when the ABS was doing its job and they would let off the brakes causing an even longer stopping time.
I have driven in the worst of Colorado weather my whole life and I would never want to be without my ABS. It can stop my vehicle much faster than I can pump the brakes and it is also hooked into the VSC which works very well in the 4Runner.
hearno
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