RunninInGA
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I've read reports of officers being shot at in Baton Rouge this AM. Not much info out there yet.
America this week, what the hell?
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Thefishguy77
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Nothing to see here this is just hate not an act of terrorism.
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Probably inspired by some for of the BLM or new black panther party. How long are the police going to put up with this before they just say F it and stop working till they truly get some support from the top.
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Probably inspired by some for of the BLM or new black panther party. How long are the police going to put up with this before they just say F it and stop working till they truly get some support from the top.
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Devilchrono
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3 officers confirmed dead:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/baton-rouge-police-shooting-live-000000633.html?.tsrc=fp_liveblog
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/baton-rouge-police-shooting-live-000000633.html?.tsrc=fp_liveblog
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04rnr
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Every great civilization in history has failed. I think we are seeing the beginning of our failure.
America use to be great, but our so called leaders have ruined what use to be a great country, Jeff Daniels nails it here: https://youtu.be/RyzDRc34l2g
America use to be great, but our so called leaders have ruined what use to be a great country, Jeff Daniels nails it here: https://youtu.be/RyzDRc34l2g
-JD-
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Riiiight it's the divisive media. Has nothing to do with the fact that one of the people running for president, the leader of the country, has been out there advocating to deport 11 million people, build a giant wall and card Muslims. That's really inspired an air or inclusiveness and tolerance.
We would all be getting along if it wasn't for the damn media falsely telling us intolerance still exists. What are they, a bunch of libtards?!
04rnr
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Do you watch the news? muslims are attacking all over the world to include America.... Have you read or even research what the quran says? it says to KILL all non muslims. They want shariah law in the US, do you know anything about shariah law?
While I don't disagree that the political rethoric is an in your face factor and both parties have participated in divisive politics & blocking progress, the media focus and the financial benefits it derives from stoking emotional as well as physical conflict plays a very imfluential role. Chicken or egg, no longer matters. It's very easy to complain, much harder to work to solutions that reflect an entire nation.......both Trump and the 24hr news media have exploited wedge issues that will directly impact ALL citizen's rights.
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-JD-
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Seems like a bit of a false equivalency. What has Clinton said that has been as divisive as Trump?
I was saying that Trump is feeding off of the divisive politics that both parties have feed and benefited from in order to become the Republican nominee. Was not referring to Hillary at all in this regard but merely noting that the Republicans have feed this beast since Obama's terms (blocking anything that could make his presidency a success) and I am sure that if the party in the White House was reversed that the Democrats would find a similar issue to drive a wedge. As far as Trump goes, I personally think that he does not care about anything other than winning what he now knows is possible. Hillary may not drive the vocal wedge but I really can't see her working for the people that likely need help either. Both side have used wedge issues to pursue agendas that have little to do with benefiting their nation and with the willing participation of the 24hr news media.
RunninInGA
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While she may be a bit more diplomatic than Trump, you can't honestly believe she isn't divisive. She has pulled both the race and gender cards throughout her campaign a number of times. This wall thing is funny though - her husband was a vocal advocate of a stronger border during both of his campaigns for presidency and called for a "sealing of the border" in order to win favor.
Thefishguy77
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Obama. Trump. Bush Jr. Bush senior. Hillary.
Only 2 out of the 5 aren't actually related. Bush Jr & Obama are 5th? Cousins. Hillary is pure evil. And trump is a pro at manipulating the media.
Remember the beer summit. When a police officer stopped a black gentlemen that was trying to gain entry to a house. He had no ID and refused to corporate with the officer. Obama comes out and say this is racism. Has both the men to the White House to make a warm hug make up after and I repeat after the news had accused the cop of arresting this guy for being black
The back story is he was a professor at the local college. He had locked himself out of his house and was trying to get back in. Innocent enough until he refused to cooperate with the police when they arrived. Intended of not he has done similar thing over and over again. "If I had a son he could have looked like Travon". These things have done more to divide us as a nation than most any other events. The media get the blame 2nd string by focusing on these events and making thing up as they go along.
While Trump is saying "controversial" things. He is talking about deporting people that have entered the country illegally. Same as Mexico does. Stoping immigration from muslim countries until we have a proper vetting process. (Obama did this with Iraq and it was called a great idea) That will be very hard to do with the lack of info structure over there. But many of these countries are run by devout Muslim governments that hate every thing about western life. Many many many of the refugees that are coming over support that stance. It's happening all over Europe. In Sweden you have officials now saying the if a woman doesn't want to wear a headscarf then she is asking to be attacked and raped. This is an affront on the way of life for the citizens of the countries that are taking Muslim refugees.
The is a rape case in Idaho by Syrian refugees that raped a young girl. The justice department threatened to arrest anyone who said anything negative about it. (Protecting Muslim Reputation?). The story is virtually non existent at this point. Why are all the Muslim countries in the Middle East that are not in conflict refusing to accept any refugees? There is a reason or two for that.
Trump is calling for law and order to be brought back to our nation. If he does it or not will remain to be seen. But he is and was the only serious candidate to run on that platform. Maybe most hard working tax paying Americans are sick of watching our tax dollars go to people who do not pay in to the system. Who cheat the system. Who have no respect for the American way of life. They stand up and rally about how bad America is wave their Mexico flag but refuse to go home. So apparently her is better than there?
The Obama administration actually ordered the CBP to leave the gate open and unmanned on the USA Mexico line. Unless you are trying to get more people in to the country illegally there is no other apparent reason. Reporters that tried to report on it were told leave the area or be arrested. 2 reporters were taken in to custody last week for reporting on the border. They were released after a while but they were doing nothing illegal. I imagine CBP didn't want to do that but were ordered to. This is an orchestrated plan. What the goal of the plan is remains to be seen or proven but this is a plan of sorts. Trump is calling to stop this madness. Let's not forget CBP was finding ISIS flags on the Texas border but the news only "lightly touched" on it. Then next story.
Is Trump the right candidate? I don't know. But he is the only one that will speak up about the elephants in the room at will. Hillary has to be backed in to a corner before she will say anything. And then she tried to dodge the question first. Most of the general public supports stoping the madness. That's why Trump has pulled even with Hillary and is pulling ahead in some polls.
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Only 2 out of the 5 aren't actually related. Bush Jr & Obama are 5th? Cousins. Hillary is pure evil. And trump is a pro at manipulating the media.
Remember the beer summit. When a police officer stopped a black gentlemen that was trying to gain entry to a house. He had no ID and refused to corporate with the officer. Obama comes out and say this is racism. Has both the men to the White House to make a warm hug make up after and I repeat after the news had accused the cop of arresting this guy for being black
The back story is he was a professor at the local college. He had locked himself out of his house and was trying to get back in. Innocent enough until he refused to cooperate with the police when they arrived. Intended of not he has done similar thing over and over again. "If I had a son he could have looked like Travon". These things have done more to divide us as a nation than most any other events. The media get the blame 2nd string by focusing on these events and making thing up as they go along.
While Trump is saying "controversial" things. He is talking about deporting people that have entered the country illegally. Same as Mexico does. Stoping immigration from muslim countries until we have a proper vetting process. (Obama did this with Iraq and it was called a great idea) That will be very hard to do with the lack of info structure over there. But many of these countries are run by devout Muslim governments that hate every thing about western life. Many many many of the refugees that are coming over support that stance. It's happening all over Europe. In Sweden you have officials now saying the if a woman doesn't want to wear a headscarf then she is asking to be attacked and raped. This is an affront on the way of life for the citizens of the countries that are taking Muslim refugees.
The is a rape case in Idaho by Syrian refugees that raped a young girl. The justice department threatened to arrest anyone who said anything negative about it. (Protecting Muslim Reputation?). The story is virtually non existent at this point. Why are all the Muslim countries in the Middle East that are not in conflict refusing to accept any refugees? There is a reason or two for that.
Trump is calling for law and order to be brought back to our nation. If he does it or not will remain to be seen. But he is and was the only serious candidate to run on that platform. Maybe most hard working tax paying Americans are sick of watching our tax dollars go to people who do not pay in to the system. Who cheat the system. Who have no respect for the American way of life. They stand up and rally about how bad America is wave their Mexico flag but refuse to go home. So apparently her is better than there?
The Obama administration actually ordered the CBP to leave the gate open and unmanned on the USA Mexico line. Unless you are trying to get more people in to the country illegally there is no other apparent reason. Reporters that tried to report on it were told leave the area or be arrested. 2 reporters were taken in to custody last week for reporting on the border. They were released after a while but they were doing nothing illegal. I imagine CBP didn't want to do that but were ordered to. This is an orchestrated plan. What the goal of the plan is remains to be seen or proven but this is a plan of sorts. Trump is calling to stop this madness. Let's not forget CBP was finding ISIS flags on the Texas border but the news only "lightly touched" on it. Then next story.
Is Trump the right candidate? I don't know. But he is the only one that will speak up about the elephants in the room at will. Hillary has to be backed in to a corner before she will say anything. And then she tried to dodge the question first. Most of the general public supports stoping the madness. That's why Trump has pulled even with Hillary and is pulling ahead in some polls.
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nevada
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well, they are criminals, so....
Gunslinger-13
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The police can "ask" for the constitution to be suspended. That doesn't make it legal, doesn't make it the right thing to do nor does it make anyone "safer".
I've heard police say we should get rid of 1A and 4A and it would make their jobs "easier" but that isn't what our Constitution is about and it doesn't make anyone "safer".
Who are all of you people who don't understand Rights? "Safety" is an illusion, quit allowing people to fool you into believing it exists and to give up your Rights to trade for the false promise of it.
Who are you people who see what's going on here- the effing POLICE cannot even keep themselves "safe" from people wanting to do them harm; and yet you think people should be disarmed and rely on the police to keep us safe?
The ability to identify logical fallacies in the arguments of others, and to avoid them in one’s own arguments, is both valuable and increasingly rare. Fallacious reasoning keeps us from knowing the truth, and the inability to think critically makes us vulnerable to manipulation by those skilled in the art of rhetoric.
So let me ask you, those who seek to limit the rights of your fellow citizens and don't want them to carry guns- how can you make the cogent argument against all of the stats, facts and real world shoot statistics? How can you look at LEO's across the nation being killed and think that taking away rights/guns from the law abiding will change thing sin a positive way?
How can you not understand that firearms are used 80X's more in saving someones life than in taking them? How can you not understand that when an armed citizen intervenes with an active shooter the loss of life is far less than when you have to wait for the police to mobilize and show up to take on the shooter?
The position against gun rights is riddled, ABSOLUTLEY riddled with logical fallacies and turning blind eyes to hard facts.
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hikenbike
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And you know what our Constitution is about? You completely understand the frame of reference, the will, and intentions of those who wrote it back then?
But I agree........the more guns at the RNC the better. EVERYONE in attendance should ABSOLUTELY have one fully loaded and ready. Their candidate is built on entertainment so let's have some. Will make great television.
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Gunslinger-13
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Yes, I do; to the greatest extent that I can. I have studied the Federalist papers and the folks who wrote them quite extensively.
You should do the same yourself. Knowledge is power!
https://www.congress.gov/resources/display/content/The+Federalist+Papers
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Here's another great resource on the founders.
http://founders.archives.gov/?q=Project:"Madison Papers"&s=1511211111&r=1
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hikenbike
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And aloof and dismissive.
Gunslinger-13
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As are the good intentions of the misinformed.
Chas of MRT
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Apparently according to liberal loving Huff-Post, a lot.
How Can Black People Trust Hillary Clinton After the 2008 Campaign?
Millennials Shocked by Hillary's Racist comments.
"“I love this quote. It’s from Mahatma Gandhi. He ran a gas station down in St. Louis for a couple of years. Mr. Gandhi, do you still go to the gas station? A lot of wisdom comes out of that gas station”
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