Another Bilstein 5100 question

[Decipher]

For anyone who has gone with the 5100's and Cornfed spacers in the rear, have any of you encountered a settling in the back where after a while it lowered about ~.5"? I noticed this in mine the other day. It's gone down since first having the components installed earlier this year. Where it was nice and level before, it's now got reverse rake.

I just saw the response to this post so thought I’d chime in. I’ve had absolutely no settling at all. The only thing I can think of is perhaps your coils were still very new in which case they’re known to settle slightly when they break in. Any coil could. Beyond that, my truck is exactly as it has always been.

My only regret currently is that I didn’t address the lean when I was doing the lift. I’m waiting for these 5100s to give up so I can justify a big upgrade but they just keep on plugging.


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[Decipher]

I just ran my 5100s harder than I ever have before and they were nothing short of amazing...literally to the point of surprising me.

I did, comfortably, what my friends who were riding $4000 Icons and King setups were doing.

Now, I’m not even going to pretend that the 5100 is as good as those systems, but I had zero issues. What a great return on investment.




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[aliasneo07]

I hate to ask a total newb question but after days of reading suspension threads I'm still lost. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Here is my situation:

2020 ORP. Factory suspension/wheels/tires.

I am going to get new tires and wheels so I figured I might as well lift it while I'm doing it. I want to buy the TRD Pro stock black wheels and throw either 285 or 275/70/17 Falken AT3ws on there. I am assuming to do so, I need a bit of a lift.

I am new to off-roading and plan to take about 4-6 trips a year on light to intermediate trails, and some beaches. Billstein 5100s were recommended to me by people who run them and say they are good if you are trying to stay on a budget, which I am. I'm also trying to stay away from spacers, as I value durability. Yes I know that for my use, spacers are probably fine, but I'm a "plan for the worst" type guy.

So how much lift to I need? 1.75? And what do I need to get with the 5100s? Coils? Control arms? The only weight up front will be a c4 fab lo-pro bumper with winch, but down the road. May add 110lb total?

Thanks so much

 

[Decipher]

I hate to ask a total newb question but after days of reading suspension threads I'm still lost. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Here is my situation:



2020 ORP. Factory suspension/wheels/tires.



I am going to get new tires and wheels so I figured I might as well lift it while I'm doing it. I want to buy the TRD Pro stock black wheels and throw either 285 or 275/70/17 Falken AT3ws on there. I am assuming to do so, I need a bit of a lift.



I am new to off-roading and plan to take about 4-6 trips a year on light to intermediate trails, and some beaches. Billstein 5100s were recommended to me by people who run them and say they are good if you are trying to stay on a budget, which I am. I'm also trying to stay away from spacers, as I value durability. Yes I know that for my use, spacers are probably fine, but I'm a "plan for the worst" type guy.



So how much lift to I need? 1.75? And what do I need to get with the 5100s? Coils? Control arms? The only weight up front will be a c4 fab lo-pro bumper with winch, but down the road. May add 110lb total?



Thanks so much

If you don’t want to use any spacers, you’ll have to either:

Lift only to 85 setting which will probably create clearance issues for anything bigger than 275s

Buy the new Bilstein rear coil that will give you either a 1” or 1.5” lift

Get a spacer for the rear and not worry so much.

I’m using 2.5 front lift with 1.5 rear spacer in the picture above. I wheel more than any of my friends and my ride is still great and nothing has broken over the course of 30,000 miles on this setup.

No UCAs typically necessary but that kind of depends on the rig. Mine aligns within spec.


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[MAG GRY TACO15]

New Here. Just bought my wife a 2016.
She wants to lift it a little like her last xterra. So probably 2 inches and 285 70r17 tires.

Plan is to use 5100's. : 24-196499 and 33-187174 but what springs. 883 or 884? I have 5100's in my Tacoma with 885 spring that lifted it about 2.5 inches. I've done some reading but get mixed responses about how much each of these springs really lift a 4runner. Also what rear spring do I need or is a 1.5 spacer good enough or will it make for a crap ride?
Is there a 1/4in spacer I need to add to the driverside front to account for a 4runner lean like the Tacoma's have?

Don't ever plan to have bumpers or a winch. Will see some rough fire roads for camping but that's probably it.

Suggestions or advice on my plan so far? My last 4runner was on 35's and had a solid axle, and the Tacoma is just different enough to where I know the same lift combo will yield different results.

 

[Decipher]

New Here. Just bought my wife a 2016.
She wants to lift it a little like her last xterra. So probably 2 inches and 285 70r17 tires.

Plan is to use 5100's. : 24-196499 and 33-187174 but what springs. 883 or 884? I have 5100's in my Tacoma with 885 spring that lifted it about 2.5 inches. I've done some reading but get mixed responses about how much each of these springs really lift a 4runner. Also what rear spring do I need or is a 1.5 spacer good enough or will it make for a crap ride?
Is there a 1/4in spacer I need to add to the driverside front to account for a 4runner lean like the Tacoma's have?

Don't ever plan to have bumpers or a winch. Will see some rough fire roads for camping but that's probably it.

Suggestions or advice on my plan so far? My last 4runner was on 35's and had a solid axle, and the Tacoma is just different enough to where I know the same lift combo will yield different results.

I’d just reuse the stock springs for your use, especially. The rear spacer does not make a bad ride at all. I went 2.5 up front and 1.5 rear spacer and I’m really happy with the ride and performance. Springs of course would be better but on my stock coils, I’m really content at the moment. So I wouldn’t worry about making it a crap ride.

I should have added a spacer to level it and will in the near future, as I do have driver’s side lean especially with a full gas tank.

For what you’re wife is using the truck as, this is not only the cheapest route but also the most appropriate. You can spend more and Bilstein just released a new rear coil that will give you the 1-1.5”
Lift but again, with minimal off roading, I really don’t think you need to go that route unless you’re just against using a spacer. See my pictures a few posts up.


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[MAG GRY TACO15]

I’d just reuse the stock springs for your use, especially. The rear spacer does not make a bad ride at all. I went 2.5 up front and 1.5 rear spacer and I’m really happy with the ride and performance. Springs of course would be better but on my stock coils, I’m really content at the moment. So I wouldn’t worry about making it a crap ride.

I should have added a spacer to level it and will in the near future, as I do have driver’s side lean especially with a full gas tank.

For what you’re wife is using the truck as, this is not only the cheapest route but also the most appropriate. You can spend more and Bilstein just released a new rear coil that will give you the 1-1.5”
Lift but again, with minimal off roading, I really don’t think you need to go that route unless you’re just against using a spacer. See my pictures a few posts up.


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Well I currently have 885 springs on my Tacoma. I'm about to install a low pro bumper with a winch so I may need to jump to 886 springs to keep the same ride height. If I do this, then I can trade my 885 springs with a buddy who has some 884 springs that wants a little more lift, and I can then use those 884 springs with new 5100's for my wifes 4runner. That's kind of my game plan.

 

[Gonecamping]

Just thought I'd share my setup (thanks to a buddy for giving me the rear coils and the reason why I went this direction).

We tow a small trailer so wanted some factory rake, with some added clearance and more planted drive. Also want to keep stock size tire since its my daily driver.

5100 all four corners, front set to 1.75 and rear has an Eibach 1" spring (E30-82-071-01-02). This is a TRD OR with KDSS.

Was stiff for the first 150-200 miles but now feels perfect (almost regretted it but I think everything needed to settle in a bit).

First pic has before on top and after below. And yes I need new shoes :behindsofa:

 

[MAG GRY TACO15]

Just thought I'd share my setup (thanks to a buddy for giving me the rear coils and the reason why I went this direction).

We tow a small trailer so wanted some factory rake, with some added clearance and more planted drive. Also want to keep stock size tire since its my daily driver.

5100 all four corners, front set to 1.75 and rear has an Eibach 1" spring (E30-82-071-01-02). This is a TRD OR with KDSS.

Was stiff for the first 150-200 miles but now feels perfect (almost regretted it but I think everything needed to settle in a bit).

First pic has before on top and after below. And yes I need new shoes :behindsofa:

What size tire are you running. Do you think you can run 285's with this set up?

 

[Gonecamping]

What size tire are you running. Do you think you can run 285's with this set up?

Right now still on the stock tires.

I'm planning on putting stock size KO2's or Duratracs. Reasoning is its my DD and we tow a small trailer so I want to keep the MPG's and power as close to factory as possible. Would MAYBE go 275's if there was a good load C rated tire available but right now that's not the case.

IF I were to go 285's, I'd probably run 5100's on 0 setting with a proper lift spring to bring it up to 2.5 in the front and add new UCA's.

Now whether or not I could fit them as is, not sure. Some have said they fit stock. Some say minimum 3" lift with BMC.

That probably didn't help you at all LOL... end rambling :blabla:

 

[J3ffr0]

Eibach Pro Shocks on all 4 corners. Fronts set at 1.6 with stock springs. Running the Eibach 1" rear springs. Rides great! Sits perfect with 1/2" rake at the fenders. I'm not a fan of spacers, springs are the way to go. This setup doesn't look weird with stock tires either. Eibach actually just released their adjustable rear setup too for $550! First pick is the before photo.

 

[power818]

Here is the link to a write-up I did on my Bilsteain shocks with 2.5” front lift and daystar 1.5” rear spacer install. It’s really good info for the install and it has before and after pics and measurements with stock tires. Bilstein 5100 2.5" Front and Daystar 1.5" Rear Spacer Write-up

 

[SR52011]

2.5/1.5 is where its at!

Are you running stock coils? My 5100s came in and I took it to a shop and the guy said the factory coils are too long, they wouldn't compress enough to fit.. He said they bowed out some. So he wasn't able to put them on.

 

[J-Roc]

Are you running stock coils? My 5100s came in and I took it to a shop and the guy said the factory coils are too long, they wouldn't compress enough to fit.. He said they bowed out some. So he wasn't able to put them on.

Sounds like you may want to go to a different shop.
I used stock coils for my front with no issues.

 

[SR52011]

Sounds like you may want to go to a different shop.
I used stock coils for my front with no issues.

Yea, after talking to a few people I will have to.

 

[Decipher]

Agreed. You need to go to a different shop. I’ve NEVER heard anyone have this issue. Sounds like they don’t know what they’re doing at all.

I’ve been running the 2.5/1.5 setup for 6 years now. I figured I’d try the 5100s as a first ever lift for me. I had never owned a vehicle like this and I’m still loving it for my use. I’ve been waiting for these shocks to give up so I can further upgrade but damnit, these things keep going and do everything I ask of them well!


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[SR52011]

Agreed. You need to go to a different shop. I’ve NEVER heard anyone have this issue. Sounds like they don’t know what they’re doing at all.

I’ve been running the 2.5/1.5 setup for 6 years now. I figured I’d try the 5100s as a first ever lift for me. I had never owned a vehicle like this and I’m still loving it for my use. I’ve been waiting for these shocks to give up so I can further upgrade but damnit, these things keep going and do everything I ask of them well!


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That's exactly what I'm doing on my first lift. Just not going as smooth as it should be. Did you have to get UCAs to get the proper alignment since the camber will be off or will a quick alignment correct the camber?
Thank you for all your great information.

 

[Decipher]

That's exactly what I'm doing on my first lift. Just not going as smooth as it should be. Did you have to get UCAs to get the proper alignment since the camber will be off or will a quick alignment correct the camber?
Thank you for all your great information.

That's exactly what I'm doing on my first lift. Just not going as smooth as it should be. Did you have to get UCAs to get the proper alignment since the camber will be off or will a quick alignment correct the camber?
Thank you for all your great information.

I’ve been running stock UCAs with no issue. I’ll have to find my last alignment report but I’m within .2 degrees of spec with most adjustments exactly on point. I’ve had zero issues with odd wear or drive-ability. I’m running 285/70-17 Falken Wildpeak MT01.

Over these past 6 years, I started at .85 being my first lift and of course was hooked to off roading. Went 2.5/1.5 very quickly thereafter. I off-road several times a year. I tow a lot. I use the truck as a truck. I went this route because it was cheap and conservative and again, everything refuses to break or quit. This has easily been the absolute best bang for the buck I’ve ever done on my Runner.





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[SR52011]

I’ve been running stock UCAs with no issue. I’ll have to find my last alignment report but I’m within .2 degrees of spec with most adjustments exactly on point. I’ve had zero issues with odd wear or drive-ability. I’m running 285/70-17 Falken Wildpeak MT01.

Over these past 6 years, I started at .85 being my first lift and of course was hooked to off roading. Went 2.5/1.5 very quickly thereafter. I off-road several times a year. I tow a lot. I use the truck as a truck. I went this route because it was cheap and conservative and again, everything refuses to break or quit. This has easily been the absolute best bang for the buck I’ve ever done on my Runner.

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Looks like you made my decision for me lol! That's exactly what I'm going with now! Mind made up.
By the way, great looking ride! Best years imo 10-13.Thanks again!

 

[Decipher]

Looks like you made my decision for me lol! That's exactly what I'm going with now! Mind made up.
By the way, great looking ride! Best years imo 10-13.Thanks again!

Thank you! And I happen to agree on the years...Love the boxy look. Definitely post back with your experience and results.


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