Rubberdown
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You have to get from your iPad to your stereo.
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You have to get from your iPad to your stereo.
And just like the Entune app suite, you will never ever have to use it unless you chose to. Bluetooth audio streaming and USB will work like it always has.
BTW, I ran IOS 8 on my iPhone 5 with no problem and it runs fine on my work provided 5S. I have iPods that I use every day that are from 2003. I gave my iMac from 2006 to my mom and used it this weekend to pull pics from my dad's trail camera. It has been rock solid.
Newer software works better on newer hardware. This isn't a shocking this or something limited to a certain brand of electronics.
Mooney
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I do, it's called BlueTooth, already integrated in the factory head unit. What am I missing?
Rubberdown
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Bluetooth sounds like shit?
Mooney
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Huh? :frusty:
BlueTooth transfers data, not sound. It's its a digital stream that transfers what's in your source.
What do you think Apple Play is doing, it transfers wireless data!
I can can listen to an uncompressed wav file using BlueTooth, that blows the doors off anything played from the head unit source.
If she had plugged her iPotato 5S into her computer and done the update through iTunes she would not have needed that much free storage available. You only need the large storage amount if you update over wifi... and once the update is done the storage amount is free again.
Edit: I would also like to add that every technology company has a policy of planned obsolecense as that is the nature of technology. Apple has a much better support plan for their phones, as they continue to offer updates for free, years after purchase. I just upgraded to an iPhone 6 after three years with an iPhone 4S. The 4S still worked perfectly, and was running the most up to date OS.
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sandcrawler
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data, yes. but not necessarily true source data—most BT streams are compressed. and the Toyota HU most certainly utilizes an old, compressed BT profile. same way the built-in USB plug is an old, slow version of the USB standard. (partly why navigating iPod via USB is dreadful.)
no, it's not. it is connected via a Lightning cable for pure, uncompressed digital line out—and smart mirroring of your iPhone's maps, phone, music, and messaging functions for minimal hands-on operation while driving.
you may think you are, but if you're BT streaming to the factory head unit you're not. the only way to listen to uncompressed audio using the OEM HU is via USB.
a little reading on the subject: Does Bluetooth Audio Still Suck?
LandCruiser
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She only upgrades over the computer. If that's the case I need to take a careful look at what is happening, because I don't feel like wasting another grand on Apple's "innovative" products.
Then why don't you buy her an Android?
LandCruiser
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Because she likes Apple, even though she doesn't use any iOS specific features.
But you DON'T tell a woman what she wants.
Bootleg
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Because it simply works properly when its being used properly. I upgraded my 4S via iTunes and needed only a fraction of the space available. It worked fine until my 6 Plus arrived.
you know why Toyota partnered with Apple? Force close.
Rubberdown
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It's a digital stream which compresses data in order to stream it. With crappy results when it comes to audio. That being said if your using a factory stereo you may not tell the difference.
If you use Bluetooth to stream the music yes. Most aftermarket car play supported head units use a wired connection. This allows uncompressed audio transfer which sounds much much better. AND with the new lightning connector, it actually is digital all the way to the head unit and potentially can use very high quality DACs. My dream head unit would keep it digital all the way to an spdif output so I could transfer it to my processor which has 24bit DACs and that would be the bomb diggity. That way you could play uncompressed WAVs or whatever you wanted with no loss or compression.
So your Bluetooth stream sounds better than the uncompressed audio off a cd? I guess the 1400ish Kbps of uncompressed audio is somehow inferior to your best case scenario of 768kbps of A2DP using Bluetooth? Do entune headunits even support that? I have no idea but I suspect it doesn't.
NoDak
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well its kinda a mute point as far as Pandora is concerned. the free account only streams at 64 via mobile data anyway.
and for free the quality is just fine. if I need better quality, I will use BT via my mp3's on the phone which over the years range from 96k to 192k.
the quality is enough for me and I am not going back across 3500 mp3's to re-rip at a higher quality vbr.
and for free the quality is just fine. if I need better quality, I will use BT via my mp3's on the phone which over the years range from 96k to 192k.
the quality is enough for me and I am not going back across 3500 mp3's to re-rip at a higher quality vbr.
Mooney
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Rubber/Sand . . . Valid points. Guess we really don't know about the compression level from the Matsushita head unit . . . Couldn't find any info online. Then again there might be an additional coding from the Apple device.
However, Rubber your original question was connecting the iPad, if your not satisfied with BT use the USB connection.
Keep in mind . . . how good is your original source:
XM, yikes
FM, (non HD) 15k on a good day.
Pandora, Help!
Is BT really your bottle neck? After all your driving down the road with wind, road and moving plastic noises.
Save your uncompressed reference piece for the studio . . . BT sounds great in my ride.
However, Rubber your original question was connecting the iPad, if your not satisfied with BT use the USB connection.
Keep in mind . . . how good is your original source:
XM, yikes
FM, (non HD) 15k on a good day.
Pandora, Help!
Is BT really your bottle neck? After all your driving down the road with wind, road and moving plastic noises.
Save your uncompressed reference piece for the studio . . . BT sounds great in my ride.
I am curious about this - I wonder how compressed it really is for the 4runner? I am using my factory head unit with what I consider quite significant audio upgrades. I suppose I might consider myself a bit of an audio geek...
The sound is legitimately phenomenal to my ears. I paid good money to have the stereo professionally set up or "tuned" by a well known audio guy and he could not believe the quality the BT was capable of...
I don't really know what to say or make of it other than with the upgrades the BT streaming still sounds top notch. I have a Volvo too with bluetooth integrated to the factory stereo and it's crap so I do know what people mean...but the 4runner is straight up surprising.
sandcrawler
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i'd love to know as well. i've upgraded my front dash & doors and rear liftgate speakers, and though it's not professionally tuned it sounds way better than stock and i regularly stream via BT simply because it's way, way easier to use than navigating my iPod via the HU.
connected via USB, my 160GB iPod Classic is nearly full of mostly lossless audio and—at a stop—i can hear a discernible difference between the same track played from my iPod and streamed from my iPhone via BT. iPod sounds better.
but while driving, road noise changes the game entirely and BT sounds good enough for my needs. practically speaking, i have to agree with Mooney's sentiment:
sandcrawler
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thanks for posting that. interesting, and promising to see Apple maturing the concept beyond its 1.0 incarnation. makes me hopeful that they'll see beyond the limited scope of its single-input functionality at present, and get wise to the fact that multiple audio inputs are a standard for a good reason. constraining users to a single input just to provide display mirroring makes no sense whatsoever.
truth is, i've gotten the overwhelming sense that CarPlay is in more of an 0.xx state right now. i'm continuing to watch with interest, but won't be credibly considering a purchase for quite some time. i'd guess it'll be a year or two before the software and hardware are mature enough to compel me to purchase.
most of the reviews thus far support this. Taking CarPlay for a spin
not for nothing, but since updating my Nav unit to the most recent 14.1 update, it's been working great. like, really great. so great that i'm content to just wait this one out.
if any of you guys haven't updated your Nav software in a while (if at all) the new software fixes that ridiculous "auto-select/play" behavior when scrolling through lists via a connected iPod.
ray2:
Jetboy
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Toyota already has factory production cars with a LOT better idea (and it's an Android BTW):
I can't see Toyota and Apple together. Why would Toyota want a crazy closed source product in its dash? In some ways it kinda fits - Apple's usually 3 years behind the times. Especially when it can use other open source options and customize them how it wants. IMO the fact that they are already producing and selling vehicles with Android Nexus 7 tablets built in is a pretty good indication of where they intend to go.
I can't see Toyota and Apple together. Why would Toyota want a crazy closed source product in its dash? In some ways it kinda fits - Apple's usually 3 years behind the times. Especially when it can use other open source options and customize them how it wants. IMO the fact that they are already producing and selling vehicles with Android Nexus 7 tablets built in is a pretty good indication of where they intend to go.
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Mooney
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Toyota already has factory production cars with a LOT better idea (and it's an Android BTW):
I can't see Toyota and Apple together. Why would Toyota want a crazy closed source product in its dash? In some ways it kinda fits - Apple's usually 3 years behind the times. Especially when it can use other open source options and customize them how it wants. IMO the fact that they are already producing and selling vehicles with Android Nexus 7 tablets built in is a pretty good indication of where they intend to go.
Hmm . . . Maybe because nearly 50% of population running iOS?
