Bad Service... No oil change till 10k?

[Bodie the Dog]

Synthetic oil cost

I use regular/conventional oil in all my cars and always have. I change the oil in my new cars at 1,000 miles and then at every 5,000 miles.

I've got a buddy who did the math and swears it is cheaper to use regular oil and buy yourself a new engine later, then to pay for and run synthetic.

 

[spacetruckin]

I've got a buddy who did the math and swears it is cheaper to use regular oil and buy yourself a new engine later, then to pay for and run synthetic.

I'm really hoping your buddy is not a math teacher!

 

[alico268]

I've got a buddy who did the math and swears it is cheaper to use regular oil and buy yourself a new engine later, then to pay for and run synthetic.

Your friend just made my day. That is awesome!! What other life hacks can he offer?

 

[jspagna1]

I've got a buddy who did the math and swears it is cheaper to use regular oil and buy yourself a new engine later, then to pay for and run synthetic.

You may be right. That's why my 97 T4R lasted for 16+ years and on average I keep my vehicles 10-11 years and either sell them or hand them down to family members.
Ya maybe I am clueless!!!!!

 

[Bodie the Dog]

ok, if you say so...

You may be right. That's why my 97 T4R lasted for 16+ years and on average I keep my vehicles 10-11 years and either sell them or hand them down to family members.
Ya maybe I am clueless!!!!!

Just reporting what I heard once from someone who has a unique perspective on things. Plus his rig takes about 13qts, obviously not a 4runner.

But let's see for a 4runner. Assuming a low estimate of 150k on its engine, that works out to $8/qt times 30 oil changes (every 5K miles), times 6 quarts each change, equals: $1550. 200k on the engine puts this up to $1920.

Yeah, my friend is wrong.

 

[Hamburgerpimp]

Forgetting the caps seems to be the norm at dealers, just yesterday I specifically told them not to adjust tire pressure, even wrote it on the RO, (load range E tire, 42PSI) so of course they adjusted to 32PSI and left off all the caps, and failed to address any issues it brought it in for except the Entune update.

Knew bringing it in was a waste of time, Ill fix other issues myself, just sucks that you have a warranty, but if the Tech isn't going to make a ton of money on the repair they won't even address it.

All due to the antiquated flat rate pay system dealers use.....

 

[Bodie the Dog]

State Law, I think

Forgetting the caps seems to be the norm at dealers, just yesterday I specifically told them not to adjust tire pressure, even wrote it on the RO, (load range E tire, 42PSI) so of course they adjusted to 32PSI and left off all the caps, and failed to address any issues it brought it in for except the Entune update.

Knew bringing it in was a waste of time, Ill fix other issues myself, just sucks that you have a warranty, but if the Tech isn't going to make a ton of money on the repair they won't even address it.

All due to the antiquated flat rate pay system dealers use.....

I was just told by my tire guy that they are required by law to check tire pressure anytime a vehicle is brought in to them, and adjust it according to the pressure shown on the door. Here's the manual, but it was too wordy for me. https://www.bar.ca.gov/pdf/Brake_Adjuster_Handbook.pdf

 

[Bodie the Dog]

glow sticks

Your friend just made my day. That is awesome!! What other life hacks can he offer?

Put some kind of doggy sweater on your dog, then poke a hole in a glow stick and pour it onto the sweater and drip some on its collar. Or even spray it all over camp. Then sit back and trip as your glowing dog runs around through a universe of stars.

Supposedly nontoxic, but it does leave green spots on your clothes.

I'll get a picture next time.

 

[zcruiser]

Put some kind of doggy sweater on your dog, then poke a hole in a glow stick and pour it onto the sweater and drip some on its collar. Or even spray it all over camp. Then sit back and trip as your glowing dog runs around through a universe of stars.

Supposedly nontoxic, but it does leave green spots on your clothes.

I'll get a picture next time.

Reminded me of this...

 

[bigbadpoppa]

Can't blame the dealer for your assumption of oil change at first service before 10K. They just doing their job. Misinformed buyer.

I change mine every 5K. Just a habit. Who cares ... $40 bucks and it might or might not extend engine life. Small investment if you ask me. I'm more worried about transmission life vs engine life to be honest.

 

[77Bronc]

This is one area I've seen across the board in all my years with different motor sports. Oil debates. You can literally have the oil engineers tell a person (myself included) that they are wasting their money on changing the oil too often....and they still won't believe you.:director:


It's a mental issue. I have it. I use top quality products and I over do it.


I've got a boat with a 20k outboard on it. Yamaha tells me every 100 hours. I do every twenty. Stupid I know...but I feel better about it. My dad did this to me. He was a mechanic and does 3k mile changes TO THIS DAY and still calls pennzoil junk. LOL. Old school thinking carries over, despite the data.

I retired from the company that makes Mobil1, still work in the refining industry and I change my Mobil1 every 5000 miles, my truck, my wallet...been doing this in my vehicles for over 35 years.

I had a 1982 Ford Bronco that developed an oil pan gasket leak at 87K miles, took it to the mechanic to change, I was busy, and he called me and asked what kind of oil had I been using? He said the pan was clean like from the factory....

77

 

[johnbt]

Ten-year-old dino oil works fine too. And dusty filters.

My girlfriend's 2006 Camry LE 4-cylinder has 198,000 miles on it and runs strong. It's her second car now fwiw. It was a year or two old when she got it, so the early service on it is unknown. It doesn't burn oil or drip any.

Every 5000 miles she takes it to her mechanic for an oil change. She's been providing the oil and filters for the past 2 years because I found some buried in the back of her garage.

When we started dating seriously 2 years ago I cleaned out the ground floor of her 3 car unheated garage and found almost a case of Toyota oil filters and a few cases of Shell oil. Her late husband did the work on their cars - and renovated cars for a hobby - and he died in 2008. (There's a nice '64 Olds Jetstar 88 convertible still in there fwiw)

I guess all this proves is that Toyotas are pretty sturdy. Or tolerant. She sold her 2003 Camry to her son's in-laws last year for $2k and it had 220,000 miles on it and it's still on the road everyday. All it ever had was new dino oil and a filter every 5k miles.

John

 

[Rynooo]

This is now an oil thread.

 

[Brandonium]

It's only a waste if it's your money.. Many of us don't mind wasting money on maintenance while others shit out gobs of money for snorkels just in case the mall floods.. To each their own!

Your wasting your money, my buddies 10 4runner is over 200k miles w:10k oil changes

 

[nb rob]

I also specifically ask that they leave my tires alone, and they air my load E's down to 32 each time too (from 40psi). When I mentioned it to the service manager, he explained that 32psi is what I want, and that he's got 7 years on a set of michelin LTX's which are an LT tire, and he runs 32psi.

I stopped listening at "7 years on my tires". Give me a break.

So I air up at home. Like's its a frickin offroad trip to get an oil change.

4 more free ones and then I'm following antman's very detailed oilchange thread.... I've never messed with a cartridge filter before... and I'm not looking forward to it. It's been a nice break from changing oil for the last 16 months or so, but cripes I can't stand service departments.

 

[Bumbo]

I've never messed with a cartridge filter before... and I'm not looking forward to it.

When you compare that for the 4th Gen 1GR-FE motor... its hard not to get a little upset... Its almost like they intentionally made it a pain in the ass.

The oil filter type and location of the 4th Gen v6 was probably the most thoughtful painless location I have ever seen on a car/truck.

 

[sandcrawler]

OP doesn't understand oil change interval... complains because dealer does... insists on halving recommended interval anyway... "10k interval is sinister Toyota plot" conspiracy theory is floated... sin -vs- dino oil hoogedy-boogedy ensues... a dog gets the contents of a glow-stick dumped on him for some reason... stale complaints about the filter location compared to the old single VVT-i 1GR-FE are once again voiced... thread is 6 pages and still going...

apologies to OP, but this kind of nonsense is what drives the "old timers" bucking fananas.

 

[pitstain]

I brought my 4runner in at 5,000 miles and requested an oil and filter change and the service writer told me i do not need it until 10,000.

I told him my truck is operated in such a manner as to qualify for severe service, anyone who drives in NJ is basically in severe service which is classified as extended periods of idling or low speed driving.

Anyone in the NYC metro/DC, LA, ATL areas should probably be following the severe service schedule or near to it in my honest opinion.

The service writers don't read the maintenance guidelines.

 

[TK-422]

I brought mine in for service today with 8200 miles on it. They changed the oil and filter. I did not have to ask.

I also checked the KO2s, they did not air them down to 32 even though it showed it on the 72 point inspection sheet. All my caps were there.

I bought the updated maps (microSD card) since the price dropped. They do look a little nicer with the few miles I used it so far but I have no conclusion yet.

 

[catrains]

Just reporting what I heard once from someone who has a unique perspective on things. Plus his rig takes about 13qts, obviously not a 4runner.

But let's see for a 4runner. Assuming a low estimate of 150k on its engine, that works out to $8/qt times 30 oil changes (every 5K miles), times 6 quarts each change, equals: $1550. 200k on the engine puts this up to $1920.
Yeah, my friend is wrong.

Back in 2000 I switched to synthetic mobil 1 oil ON my new 2000 truck . I purchased costco mobil 1 a 6 pack for $28.00 USD. instead of 4K mile oil changes as I did with my 1983 V8 sedan conventional oil .

so now the truck with mobil synthetic I increased the oil changes to 7500 miles then after seeing how perfect the oil looked when I drained it out increased to 10K miles . the oil changes cost for me $28 for oil and $10 for the synthetic oil media filters . so far now 17 yrs this month the truck has 170K miles and still the engine runs excellent and no oil consumption that requires any adding .. uses about 1/3-1/2 qt in 10K miles . so my cost is $38 every 10K miles also I save on time instead of the 4K mile oil changes . synthetic costs $4.70 QT for me conventional is about $3 ? not to sure since it has been almost 2 decades since I bought it ...
SO if conventional is $3 a QT then I am saving also on oil as well as time because that would cost me $3X12 qts = $36 + $20 for 2 oil filters = $56 total for 10K oil changes with conventional. compared to $38 for synthetic.

in the cold north synthetic oil does get the engine to crank over much better ... another benefit .