Best speculation of a 2023 6th generation I have seen

[mscot]

Thank you [MENTION=166416]Carmaker1[/MENTION]. We all appreciate and look forward to your insight.

Any word on a maverick/ridgeline competitor?

 

[Quentin]

Trying to cram in several posts tonight. I'm no longer going to be commenting much on things Toyota, because while this environment here is reasonable, some others are not and I'm putting myself in hot water.

I am hearing that a number of vehicles will appear in this fashion.

Possibly on April 5th, the 2024 midsize pickup will debut and be on display on NYIAS? NYIAS is a guess, but the date is info I am posting here. Teasers and announcements will be over the coming month.

By June 1st or later in the summer, the 2024 MY Land Cruiser will be revealed. I won't mention TX and GX, which are also coming this year.

The Camry I once referred to as 2024.5, is definitely MY 2025 and matches what Crain's Automotive News reported back in 2020-21. I couldn't believe it then, but that old report was somewhat accurate. Just worded poorly, by saying "in 2025" and not in 2024 for 2025.

Production of the 2024 Camry as I mentioned elsewhere will begin around July and run through next winter in 2024. It will be superseded in February or March 2024 production by the next Camry, which I suspect will be revealed around November.

That's speculation, as the actual reveal is definitely late 2023, but no specific date. Launch is April 2024, before the 4Runner.

TMMK has been in the retooling process to make these changes ahead of tooling try out builds and pilot assembly. Out of respect for the individual who seems to be laughing at my expense, for me trusting a source with contradictory information on the GX, I will no longer discuss Lexus here for them nitpick.

Pilot builds of the next Camry are currently testing in Arizona and here in Michigan where it's 3AM right now. They were not built in Georgetown, KY, but the prototype plant in Michigan.

I think I've seen one on the freeway at night near Ann Arbor recently, but didn't have a camera moment. It was definitely part of a Toyota convoy, midsized, and special camo wrap only Lexus and Toyota use.

No sight of 4Runner yet, but that won't even be until maybe summer shots of prototypes.

Anyone claiming that the 4Runner was delayed because of response to the Bronco and Wrangler is deranged and uninformed. Anyone repeating their information, shouldn't feel bad, as you wouldn't know from Adam what to trust.

Much of the information on those vehicles was well known quite a while ago and the 4Runner is not being designed to compete with them. It will continue its mission statement and not deviate. The Land Cruiser will be a different flavor of that with the prestige nameplate and higher price.

The 4Runner is the Everest to the Land Cruiser's Bronco.

I largely agree with your thinking on the Land Cruiser. Remember how the FJ Cruiser was essentially a rebodied 4Runner with retro looks and more tidy off road dimensions? I think that the Land Cruiser will largely be the same to the next 4Runner. Shares powertrains, chassis design, and suspension pickup points, but be more mission focused toward off roading than the 4Runner has been. I think the difference, this time, is that the 4Runner will maintain off road focused trims like the Pro and rumored Trailhunter for those of us that still have some priority on cargo space and passenger comfort. The 4th Gen 4Runner and early 5th gen tended to lack of those off road focused trims. The TRD Off Road and Pro trims are printing money for Toyota right now and I think the demand is still there. They are strong brands that I don't think Toyota wants to walk away from.

As far as powertrain, I think [MENTION=118321]Jetboy[/MENTION] is right about what to expect as far as how the powertrain is oriented. We won't see numbers that directly match the Grand Highlander hybrid max powertrain. That powertrain makes use of 2 electric motors and since this is TNGA-F, we will get similar to what Tundra and Sequoia have as far as how the drive train is laid out. 2.4T > electric motor > 8-10 speed transmission > transfer case > front rear prop shafts > diffs > axles. The Grand Highlander has more flexibility for how they shuttle power around since the front drivetrain is only connected to the rear drivetrain electrically and being able to send that electrical power to 2 different electric motors at the same time does have torque benefits.

I think they will target a mid 6 second 0-60. That is plenty fast for what the typical 4Runner buyer is looking for and a ~1 sec improvement over the 5th gen. I think they can reasonably get real world mpg up 20-30% with the 2.4T and hybrid. I'm getting around 19 right now in my Pro, so I think a jump to 24 isn't unreasonable.

I think Toyota will have no choice but go LiIon on the 4Runner and Land Cruiser hybrids, though. The Tundra and Sequoia make use of inexpensive but space inefficient NiMh batteries. They are huge vehicles, so they have some volume to spare. On the flip side, those big batteries really do intrude into the passenger space (Sequoia especially). I hope Toyota realizes that part of the thing we love about our 4Runners is how my 2 row models can comfortably carry 5 passengers one day and offer a space big enough to sleep in over the weekend while camping/offroading. The current 3 row model is really compromised in the cargo area compared to the 2 row, so I wouldn't want to see the next gen hybrid suffer the same way.

 

[TexasFunRunner]

Any word on a maverick/ridgeline competitor?

First renderings I've seen for the new mini-truck:

PHOTOS:
2025 Toyota Stout Makes Digitally Rugged Comeback to Scare the Mavericks Away - autoevolution

VIDEO:
ALL NEW TOYOTA STOUT 2025-2026? REDESIGN | Digimods DESIGN | - YouTube


(??? When will we get modern forum software that lets us post photos, videos and emojis???)

 

[mscot]

Yeah I’ve seen tons of speculation but nothing based on actual information.
I want to know when and what engines.
I’ll be buying a new car in Fall ‘24.

 

[KimchiJae]

Very curious about engine options for the next 4Runner and Land Cruiser.

I'm guessing 2.4L turbocharged engine as the base option in the 4Runner with a 2.4L Hybrid Max as an optional upgrade. Or 2.5L hybrid as a base and 2.4L turbo hybrid has optional.

For the Land Cruiser, I assume 2.4L hybrid max as standard. My guess this will be the sole engine offered. Although I would like to see a 6 cylinder hybrid option if this is positioned to be a premium vehicle.

 

[mscot]

Very curious about engine options for the next 4Runner and Land Cruiser.

I'm guessing 2.4L turbocharged engine as the base option in the 4Runner with a 2.4L Hybrid Max as an optional upgrade. Or 2.5L hybrid as a base and 2.4L turbo hybrid has optional.

For the Land Cruiser, I assume 2.4L hybrid max as standard. My guess this will be the sole engine offered. Although I would like to see a 6 cylinder hybrid option if this is positioned to be a premium vehicle.

That 2.5L hybrid would STRUGGLE with something as heavy as the 4R and trying to drive a part time 4WD set up. We have the Rav4 with it. It's suitable for that car, but nothing heavier IMO. I think (and have said it repeatedly) that Toyota made a big mistake putting the 2.5Hybrid in the Highlander. Maybe its fine for flat road driving around town, but I have mountains to pass.

 

[MNT_GOAT]

That 2.5L hybrid would STRUGGLE with something as heavy as the 4R and trying to drive a part time 4WD set up. We have the Rav4 with it. It's suitable for that car, but nothing heavier IMO. I think (and have said it repeatedly) that Toyota made a big mistake putting the 2.5Hybrid in the Highlander. Maybe its fine for flat road driving around town, but I have mountains to pass.

The 2.5L hybrid is in the Sienna, and it's just about as heavy as the 4Runner. I'd even guess that a Sienna typically is loaded up heavier with more passengers and cargo than a 4Runner. Don't forget that part of the 4Runner experience since gen 1 is to have the slowest vehicle on the road!

 

[KimchiJae]

That 2.5L hybrid would STRUGGLE with something as heavy as the 4R and trying to drive a part time 4WD set up. We have the Rav4 with it. It's suitable for that car, but nothing heavier IMO. I think (and have said it repeatedly) that Toyota made a big mistake putting the 2.5Hybrid in the Highlander. Maybe its fine for flat road driving around town, but I have mountains to pass.

I only brought it up because Carmaker1 on other forums has stated the 4th generation Tacoma would be offered with the 2.5L.

 

[mscot]

The 2.5L hybrid is in the Sienna, and it's just about as heavy as the 4Runner. I'd even guess that a Sienna typically is loaded up heavier with more passengers and cargo than a 4Runner. Don't forget that part of the 4Runner experience since gen 1 is to have the slowest vehicle on the road!

4Runner has larger tires. That matters a great deal.
Also, just b/c Toyota did it, doesn't mean its a good idea.
If you live in Texas I guess its ok. If you live anywhere near altitude or spend time in the mountains, it is absolutely not.

 

[Carmaker1]

Both in February 2020 and in September 2021 I mentioned in two different instances that the GX would be launched in 2023. In early 2020 that was 2023 calendar year with no specific date, in September 2021 I specifically let it be known that the new GX would arrive for 2024 model year in December 2023.

Ladies and gentlemen, that has now become official straight from Lexus USA! Feels good to be proven right after some years now! TW trolls can shove that proof up their asses.

Thanks to VFD90 on Reddit and credit for the photo.

As I mentioned years ago, December 2023 is still holding through as GX launch. You can't make things up, but some love to say that I do and honestly, I am not responsible for what a multibillion-dollar automotive giant decides to do/change from quarter to quarter.

THANK YOU!, [MENTION=166416]Carmaker1[/MENTION], we always greatly appreciate your posts and insight.

Please just ignore those who are less knowledgeable than you and only attack others to build themselves up, they don't deserve one moment of your concern.

Please continue to visit us at this forum with new information as you are able, THANK YOU!

Pretty much the story over there. And it keeps on regressing anyway after I left...SMH.

The environment here is way different, so that's more than justifiable. I'm here now aren't I LOL?

Thanks a billion Tex.

Hmmmm I think I know one of those environments. Something along the lines of midsize truck planet (dot) com or something. Sad to see the way you’re treated there, but as you said some environments are just different. Had a feeling after a couple of responses there that you’d probably hang up your coat.

We really appreciate the insight you’ve brought here.

Thanks, for understanding and being a witness to it all.

Yep and one of the members who's also on here as a user, ain't helping matters over there either right now, which I'll say is quite frustrating. The annoying user in question hasn't been active in this thread for roughly 6 months, so it's none of you over the last 20 or so pages. I won't name them, but again it's pretty much NONE of you who I observe to be recently active.


To them: It does me no justice to establish a point several times and then respond to your question, only to be ignored and instead those same questions are repeated, plus further conjecture from you.

I'll consider them persona non grata, as that's tantamount to trolling and a complete waste of space for everyone.

Thank you for the great info. Any hints as to what the Land Cruiser will be? Engine options etc?

I keep hearing T24A-FTS, not much about V35A-FTS. I'm puzzled by it. At this point I'm not asking too many questions, so it's not to be a nosy rip off taking their inside information.

I feel like I can get ghosted. Which is why I will synthesize wording at times.

Thank you [MENTION=166416]Carmaker1[/MENTION]. We all appreciate and look forward to your insight.

Any word on a maverick/ridgeline competitor?

Thanks.
I have mentioned in some places that's coming as well, 2025. Not sure if I did already here last year. I don't think you know much about it unless they put it out for road testing or it leaks. That's going to be paralleled by the next RAV4.

I largely agree with your thinking on the Land Cruiser. Remember how the FJ Cruiser was essentially a rebodied 4Runner with retro looks and more tidy off road dimensions? I think that the Land Cruiser will largely be the same to the next 4Runner. Shares powertrains, chassis design, and suspension pickup points, but be more mission focused toward off roading than the 4Runner has been. I think the difference, this time, is that the 4Runner will maintain off road focused trims like the Pro and rumored Trailhunter for those of us that still have some priority on cargo space and passenger comfort. The 4th Gen 4Runner and early 5th gen tended to lack of those off road focused trims. The TRD Off Road and Pro trims are printing money for Toyota right now and I think the demand is still there. They are strong brands that I don't think Toyota wants to walk away from.

As far as powertrain, I think [MENTION=118321]Jetboy[/MENTION] is right about what to expect as far as how the powertrain is oriented. We won't see numbers that directly match the Grand Highlander hybrid max powertrain. That powertrain makes use of 2 electric motors and since this is TNGA-F, we will get similar to what Tundra and Sequoia have as far as how the drive train is laid out. 2.4T > electric motor > 8-10 speed transmission > transfer case > front rear prop shafts > diffs > axles. The Grand Highlander has more flexibility for how they shuttle power around since the front drivetrain is only connected to the rear drivetrain electrically and being able to send that electrical power to 2 different electric motors at the same time does have torque benefits.

I think they will target a mid 6 second 0-60. That is plenty fast for what the typical 4Runner buyer is looking for and a ~1 sec improvement over the 5th gen. I think they can reasonably get real world mpg up 20-30% with the 2.4T and hybrid. I'm getting around 19 right now in my Pro, so I think a jump to 24 isn't unreasonable.

I think Toyota will have no choice but go LiIon on the 4Runner and Land Cruiser hybrids, though. The Tundra and Sequoia make use of inexpensive but space inefficient NiMh batteries. They are huge vehicles, so they have some volume to spare. On the flip side, those big batteries really do intrude into the passenger space (Sequoia especially). I hope Toyota realizes that part of the thing we love about our 4Runners is how my 2 row models can comfortably carry 5 passengers one day and offer a space big enough to sleep in over the weekend while camping/offroading. The current 3 row model is really compromised in the cargo area compared to the 2 row, so I wouldn't want to see the next gen hybrid suffer the same way.

I could ask, but I don't like to be too nosy and only take what I can get from someone passing on information. Whenever I ask too much, it just feels like plagiarism and violating privacy, when I post it here.

The source on things for 4Runner I at best can only give you their contact information. And even so, I question if it's a good idea and won't get me into trouble.

Yeah I’ve seen tons of speculation but nothing based on actual information.
I want to know when and what engines.
I’ll be buying a new car in Fall ‘24.

The information is being kept privately by Toyota very well. Only what I have limitedly stated publicly and some charts posted previously here, are going to be the sole information you will know about for the time being.

Insiders do not want to talk outside of PMs and a few are outright deleting profiles via moderator request.

Very curious about engine options for the next 4Runner and Land Cruiser.

I'm guessing 2.4L turbocharged engine as the base option in the 4Runner with a 2.4L Hybrid Max as an optional upgrade. Or 2.5L hybrid as a base and 2.4L turbo hybrid has optional.

For the Land Cruiser, I assume 2.4L hybrid max as standard. My guess this will be the sole engine offered. Although I would like to see a 6 cylinder hybrid option if this is positioned to be a premium vehicle.

I'm very concerned about the decision making on this vehicle considering all roads point to a 5-7 seater with T24A-FTS. And not V35A-FTS.

I only brought it up because Carmaker1 on other forums has stated the 4th generation Tacoma would be offered with the 2.5L.

That seems to be a consistent narrative stated not just by me, but by a few others that have seen the vehicle up close. Somehow, it is more powerful than the transverse applications in the TNGA-K vehicles. It sounds like A25A-FXS, but is it? Well most who know, say it is.

4Runner has larger tires. That matters a great deal.
Also, just b/c Toyota did it, doesn't mean its a good idea.
If you live in Texas I guess its ok. If you live anywhere near altitude or spend time in the mountains, it is absolutely not.

El Paso Texas, where my '20 Tacoma TRD Pro is parked, is a major exception to that rule and from what I can tell in that place when I do visit it, TRD vehicles are very popular sights there and NM. But that's pretty much the desert Southwest and of course military dudes love them.

 

[Dave Z]

Now this is getting exciting!
Thanks again carmaker for sharing information over these past years - appreciate it.

 

[mscot]

Thanks for all this [MENTION=166416]Carmaker1[/MENTION]

Its crazy to me that they've shown the grand highlander which won't come out until late this year (and isn't on this list), but all these other cars are under wraps.

 

[MAST4R]

I have not looked here at all but now I have...

SO yeah 1,000 thanks for sharing the info you can share! And, yes, this is a remarkably grown-up place by car forum standards, especially truck forum standards

Speaking of non-grown ups, in Aug 2024 my first son who will then be 17.5 yo will need a vehicle. While my 2018 4R is far too much vehicle for what a 17.5 yo deserves, if used car prices intend to stay sky high, I might consider getting a new 4Runner myself and passing mine on to him. At least he has driven more offroad trails in it already than 95% of 4Runner owners ever will LOL.

BUT, for me to be interested...I will want 35" tires either from factory or as a no-hassle mod. What are the chances of that?

Thanks for any insights or guesses. I have a friend who is very happy with his Bronco...but leaving Toyota and paying THAT amount for a...Ford...is too much for me

 

[Carmaker1]

Now this is getting exciting!
Thanks again carmaker for sharing information over these past years - appreciate it.

Of course, just want everyone to stay in the loop. All kinds of things can be said about the Land Cruiser, but what I know for a fact is that the GX will be very special, even if it doesn't have a V8. Oddly enough I finally have cracked the case, that Toyota specifically launched the GX 470 to counter the Land Rover Discovery 2 and directly price it against that vehicle.

It looks like now Toyota wants the GX compete with the Defender 110 instead. 4Runner and Land Cruiser are to be two tiers of the same market segment? I really just don't get it, but we'll see. I have been hearing about this vehicle since 2019, so there's truth to it and not this mythical return of 300 Series.

If anyone is continuing to claim that for the United States at least and not so much Canada, they better have seen a replica of the 300 series itself and not some other vehicle that they assume is some facelifted 300.

I swear that some individuals in the dealer body can be very stupid and take things the wrong way, even when shown physical proof of a vehicle.

I remember how some Lexus personnel tried to describe the LX 600 as like a Bentley Bentayga and never like before, back in 2019 and clearly were very, VERY painfully stupid...

Does this look like a f#$@ing Bentley, even that of a reskinned VW Touareg?

(I forgave the messenger who passed on the insight and shared my concerns with them)

Ditto for those who try to claim in 2014 that an all-new LX was coming for 2016. Well...

That WASN'T all new, but the idiot shown those photos in 2014 parroted that "all-new generation" drivel.

Thanks for all this [MENTION=166416]Carmaker1[/MENTION]

Its crazy to me that they've shown the grand highlander which won't come out until late this year (and isn't on this list), but all these other cars are under wraps.

Of course.

Toyota actually said summer, which from what I remember was May 2023 Job 1 for late June/July 2023 launch. TX is 2 months behind that in September.

I've known TX to be a mid-2023 launch since September 2021 and noted that in this 2021 post.

 

[mscot]

Toyota actually said summer, which from what I remember was May 2023 Job 1 for late June/July 2023 launch. TX is 2 months behind that in September.

I've known TX to be a mid-2023 launch since September 2021 and noted that in this 2021 post.

That's great news actually as I'm leaning towards either a Grand Highlander or the TX as my next vehicle and this gives them at least a year to work out the kinks before I buy.

 

[Jetboy]

Thank you for all the updates. I'm both very curious and also a bit apprehensive about how the LC/GX/4R/LX all fit together to improve market share vs just cannibalizing sales from one another. But maybe there's something I'm not getting about how this all works out.

Not sure if you happen to have any insight Carmaker - but how does the GX550 fit in 2030 if Lexus is truly going to be fully BEV? Is there a BEV powertrain that'll a retrofit into the GA-F? The reason I'm curious in part is that it seems to be a common finding of everyone including Toyota that EVs need a dedicated platform to work well. The F150 EV is the best BOF EV example, but it's moving to a dedicated platform in 2025 IIRC. And Toyota is already killing the eTNGA after only 2 vehicles on the platform in favor of a dedicated EV platform. I don't quite see a way for the GX and LX transition to BEV in their current form. Maybe Toyota has something magic in the works to somehow make them BEV models in the existing architecture? Or would it be something more like a Rivian RS1 underneath a GX / LX body?

 

[Carmaker1]

Thank you for all the updates. I'm both very curious and also a bit apprehensive about how the LC/GX/4R/LX all fit together to improve market share vs just cannibalizing sales from one another. But maybe there's something I'm not getting about how this all works out.

Not sure if you happen to have any insight Carmaker - but how does the GX550 fit in 2030 if Lexus is truly going to be fully BEV? Is there a BEV powertrain that'll a retrofit into the GA-F? The reason I'm curious in part is that it seems to be a common finding of everyone including Toyota that EVs need a dedicated platform to work well. The F150 EV is the best BOF EV example, but it's moving to a dedicated platform in 2025 IIRC. And Toyota is already killing the eTNGA after only 2 vehicles on the platform in favor of a dedicated EV platform. I don't quite see a way for the GX and LX transition to BEV in their current form. Maybe Toyota has something magic in the works to somehow make them BEV models in the existing architecture? Or would it be something more like a Rivian RS1 underneath a GX / LX body?

I can't believe I ever forgot to mention this, but Lexus is in the whiteboard phases of developing a BEV GX with a Job 1 of January 2029 at the moment. It's been in development since last year and I was told this information several months ago in privacy.

Core development will not begin until maybe next year or 2025, once the 3rd Generation GX has settled into it's lifecycle.

I can prove that to be true, if anyone wants to see a screenshot of the message sent to me with that intel.

It's not speculation at all, because the 4Runner source is who told me and he keeps reiterating that the 4Runner is coming Q3 2024.

And to keep a very tight narrative here, I must reiterate the Tacoma engine lineup to my knowledge. I really don't want anything being taken out of context and misinterpreted elsewhere.

2TR-FE 2.7L - Base
2GR-FKS 3.5L - Optional (Single source claims std 6MT)
A25A-FXS 2.5L - Optional on Mid-high level (TRD, etc)
T24A-FTS 2.4T HM (TRD Pro ONLY)
BEV - TBD

I do not know nor will my questions be answered, in terms of whether 2.4T will be accompanied by A25A-FXS 2.5 or a GR V6 in either new 2GR or 1GR-FE continuation.

What I do know for certain is the 4Runner definitely has a high tech hybrid of some sort. I do question if there's a PHEV involved?



As for the F-150, ironically that's pretty much my business right there, which I of course absolutely don't discuss. NDA dictates it. Very far along. There's a reason why I prefer to talk about Toyota versus Ford vehicles...

 

[2021nightshade4x4]

EV’s are still not ready for prime time if you’re a road warrior or in rural areas.

There are people in the south who put 30k miles a year on trucks / SUVs and never leave the STATE. Don’t ask me how…

But one thing I do know is that those vehicles aren’t stopping for 30 minutes every 200 miles.

Any work or personal vehicle with astronomical mileage due to jobs that require intensive driving are either ICE, hybrid, or plug-in hybrid.

We are on our way to a second “peak” billing rate at night, when the majority of people (day shift) comes home to charge their cars.

Retail charging is slowly creeping up on the price of gas in cost per mile. It’s no longer the “no brainer” it once was when Tesla was handing out free supercharging for buying one of their vehicles new.

People in a paid-off truck, that were spending a brand new EV payment in gas every month, could stay in something new and under warranty for the savings it brought, but those economics are changing as laws create the sunset for ICE and EV’s no longer have to be heavily incentivized to make sales.

You can never catch a break for very long.


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[TexasFunRunner]

There's a reason why I prefer to talk about Toyota versus Ford vehicles...

Since we are talking about Toyota versus Ford vehicles, for those of us that would like to see the Toyota reputation of quality be continued with the new 4Runner and Land Cruiser and for the rollout to be stellar right out of the gate. However, seeing the numerous Tundra first year issues are reason to give pause to that hope.

On the other hand, the Ford family of vehicles, say the Bronco as comparison, since it can be cross shopped with the 4Runner and Land Cruiser, has had an abysmal rollout with one quality problem after another. The Ford CEO is out there admitting they have "challenges", a nice way of saying poor quality and recalls galore they can't get a handle on and are losing money in the billion$.

So, [MENTION=166416]Carmaker1[/MENTION], do you have hope or concrete facts that both Toyota and Ford can get it together on quality or is that a distant pipe dream?


PS:
Hilarious, after I posted the above I stumbled on the below parroting my thoughts of "abysmal quality".

"The abysmal quality of the Ford Motor Company strikes again"
Ford Recalls Bronco Over Safety Concern, Owners Advised Not to Drive Vehicles - autoevolution

 

[Jetboy]

I can't believe I ever forgot to mention this, but Lexus is in the whiteboard phases of developing a BEV GX with a Job 1 of January 2029 at the moment. It's been in development since last year and I was told this information several months ago in privacy.

Core development will not begin until maybe next year or 2025, once the 3rd Generation GX has settled into it's lifecycle.

I can prove that to be true, if anyone wants to see a screenshot of the message sent to me with that intel.

It's not speculation at all, because the 4Runner source is who told me and he keeps reiterating that the 4Runner is coming Q3 2024.

And to keep a very tight narrative here, I must reiterate the Tacoma engine lineup to my knowledge. I really don't want anything being taken out of context and misinterpreted elsewhere.

2TR-FE 2.7L - Base
2GR-FKS 3.5L - Optional (Single source claims std 6MT)
A25A-FXS 2.5L - Optional on Mid-high level (TRD, etc)
T24A-FTS 2.4T HM (TRD Pro ONLY)
BEV - TBD

I do not know nor will my questions be answered, in terms of whether 2.4T will be accompanied by A25A-FXS 2.5 or a GR V6 in either new 2GR or 1GR-FE continuation.

What I do know for certain is the 4Runner definitely has a high tech hybrid of some sort. I do question if there's a PHEV involved?



As for the F-150, ironically that's pretty much my business right there, which I of course absolutely don't discuss. NDA dictates it. Very far along. There's a reason why I prefer to talk about Toyota versus Ford vehicles...

Thanks for all the insight!! No need to prove anything to me at least. You have a track record of being pretty darn accurate.

Tacoma engine options are pretty disappointing. I get the idea of the small 4cyl NA engine in a 2wd work truck. But the 2GR version feels so anemic already in a crew cab 4x4 model. It's hard to imagine Toyota bringing it back for another model generation for the high volume engine choice. My parents have one. It's marginal empty and almost unusable for pulling even a small camper. If that's the main engine - I think it'll get a luke warm reception at best. I wouldn't buy one. I like the 2GR in my RX350, but it's also a lot more aerodynamic and I don't tow anything with it so the power demand is less and it works really well. And the mpg is not good either because in the real world the hp demand is well outside of the high thermal efficiency range. So it's neither powerful or efficient.

The T24A would at least offer decent mid-rpm power and probably make the driving experience a whole lot nicer even if it's not any faster. At least it doesn't have to live at 5500 rpms on every slight incline. The Ranger has the 2.3T across the range with a 3.0TTV6 raptor at the top and the next gen Colorado/canyon will have the 2.7 that's a lot more powerful. The hybrid might match the Colorado and Ranger Raptor on 0-60 times, but it doesn't really make up for the undersized engine in steady state highway cruising conditions where the GR is too small and the T24A might be as well.


I should hold my judgment until I drive it. I can't see it working well in an even heavier 4Runner or Land Cruiser.