michaeledwardv
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Is it just me or do these renderings I keep seeing look like a Bronco? -_- Happy to be in my 5th Gen if the model is going to change that much!
Best speculation of a 2023 6th generation I have seen
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TexasFunRunner
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Pics or link? Otherwise we have no idea what you're talking about.
No rendering from the mind of any pixel artist ever ends up looking like the final product.
Standby for more pixel artists to make more renderings in order to get the clickbait ad-traffic.
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agree its all clickbait ad traffic and all the articles are pretty much the same BS. I look forward to the next gen model as we plan on possibly purchasing one. i recently installed a 2022 headunit into the 2017 and its brought some new life to the interior look. Will keep the 2017 long term and next upgrade will probably be dobinsons suspension once the 6112s start leaking.
Recently drove a bronco raptor and it was a fun suv. Cons were the transmission hunting for gears and the cabin wind noise reminded of wranglers. Other than that it was a solid ride with the 37" tires and shocks.
Ford has done really well with the Bronco giving Jeep the first true Wrangler competition in what feels like a generation at this point.
I've seriously thought about looking at one, but the slightly lower interior cargo volume (versus a 4Runner) and also not wanting to go back to a similar driving experience as my 2012 Wrangler Unlimited Rubicon (which was an absolute bear for longer road trips) has deterred me up to this point...
Still very curious to see where Toyota goes with the next 4Runner though.
TexasFunRunner
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At first I was interested in a Bronco as well, then I found out why Ford stands for Found On Road Dead.
I had hoped they would work out the first year bugs but they are still there after three years.
Autoevolution summarizes it well:
New Ford Bronco Derivatives Are Under Development, Says Jim Baumbick - autoevolution
Yeah, I wouldn't have touched these with the insane mark-up that was in place as Ford struggled with ramping up production to meet demand and there have been a ton of quality complaints and issues.
Something about Ford's vehicles and interior design has just rubbed me the wrong way always. I've had a couple of GM trucks before (2004 Silverado 1500 LT and a 2004 GMC Envoy) and could see myself getting a GM vehicle in the future. Something about Ford's interior design just feels like junk to me. Maybe I need to look at them again, but...
TexasFunRunner
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You can look, but all reports of the Bronco say the interior plastics scratch if you even brush anything against them, cheap is the Ford mantra.
Blackwatch
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The latest video for the 2024 Tacoma reveals a couple of new colors. Looks similar to cement and quicksand...
Toyota FINALLY gives us a reveal date for the 2024 Tacoma plus NEW images - YouTube
Toyota FINALLY gives us a reveal date for the 2024 Tacoma plus NEW images - YouTube
Jetboy
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That's super interesting.
My initial takeaway is that the Trailhunter looks like a lowrider rather than lifted like the concept Tundra and Sequoia. Looks more like a stock TRD OR with a bunch of aftermarket farkle stuck on at the port.
Also - if these are actually real profile photos - the 2nd to last one which is a double cab model has a different rear suspension. The rear lower control arm is missing and it has something else going on back there. If there is going to be a full EV verison and Toyota is going to use an F150 Lightning style approach with rear IRS drive motor - that could be what we're looking at. Or it could just be some other oddity in the image that doesn't mean anything. Why would you leave the lower control arm mounting bracket on the frame rail if you're not using it? My guess is just an editing error of some sort, but it might be something different for some reason.
At least we know when it'll drop and it's soon. That's exciting. Finally know what the powertrains will be for the next generation of midsize BOF models.
I'd bet a ton of money it's not an EV. PHEV perhaps, but no way there is going to be a full EV version of the Tacoma ready at this point given how far behind Toyota is as a manufacturer on overall EV development activities...
Jetboy
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I think you're right. After looking at some other images - it's leaf springs. Toyota marketing screwed it up, or some models are going to come with leaf springs still. Maybe a base 2wd has leafs?
Compare the two silouettes of the rear suspension from directly in front of the rear tire. The second picture below is pretty clearly showing rear leaf suspension vs the lower control arm link in the first one. Also note that the leaf spring version lacks the small transfer case housing bump underneath that is visible on the TRD Pro (I'm guessing) version in the first image.
Other interesting observations:
The Trail Hunter version has the transfer case cross member significantly further aft than the TRD Pro. I'm not sure what to make of that because it appears the cross member on the TRD Pro is the same location as the other non-TRD Pro 4wd model. The Trail Hunter is the oddball in this lineup. Possibly the Trail Hunter has a different drivetrain configuration?? Can't really even guess what that would be or if it's an artifact of the crew cab long bed, but generally that would not change the cross member location because it still needs to be in the same position to mount the transfer case to. ??? No idea what that means. Just that it's not the same.
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I'd also bet that it isn't an EV. But given that we saw what essentially will be the new Tacoma in that EV press conference a year or two ago, an EV version may be pretty far along.
The question is whether Toyota's recent shifts (i.e. promising an all new BEV platform that will be much more competitive against the likes of Tesla) will result in the killing off of some of the vehicles shown a couple years ago before they are ever released.
Before you get too excited - remember that that concept turned into this product:
It really doesn't need to be an either/or between removeable top and not. Many cars have had both options. But also it's exceedingly unlikely IMO that a new model will have a removeable top. I don't think Toyota has sold a removeable top SUV anywhere in the world since Bill Clinton was in office. I don't think there have been any convertible toyota models in any category since the Avalon coupe.
That wasn't the concept that turned into the FJC. It was this 2003 concept.
For better or for worse, they stayed pretty true to the concept.
Jetboy
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That wasn't the concept that turned into the FJC. It was this 2003 concept.
For better or for worse, they stayed pretty true to the concept.
Maybe concept is the wrong word. Prototype is probably more accurate. Toyota tested a few different ideas in the 1999-2003 time frame for a retro land cruiser model. They had the FJ45 concept from Rod Millen was built in 1999 as well as 3 prototypes built by Jonathan Ward (TLC and Icon 4x4) and the FJ Cruiser concept from CALTY. Ultimately the CALTY design was chosen. It also gave rise to ICON 4x4 when Ward concluded that the FJ Cruiser was a mistake and that the market wanted something more true to the land cruiser heritage. All 3 of the prototype/concept vehicles had running driving vehicles around the same time.
The FJ45 concept from Millen was a widened 45 wagon on a lC100 chassis with the engine/trans/transfer moved back to fit. It had a ton of custom build work on it. 12" of suspension travel at both ends, 35s, custom FRP Kevlar skid plates, winches integrated at both ends, full luxury leather interior with fully functional HVAC systems, etc. It wasn't an early production concept, but it was a production quality concept vehicle IMO that could have been the base for a new heritage model.
The ones from TLC that we never really hear much about were 3 bandeirantes with Tacoma engines mated to the 5 speed and most of the interior custom built to match then current Tacoma interior. I think they used the Taco seats and some switches and such. I think they're never discussed because they look just like a late FJ40/bandeirante so they don't make good click bait.
Toyota had the option to go with a much more heritage type model and chose not to go directly at the Wrangler market with a heritage model. It's always easy to look back and armchair quarterback.
. But I think there is value in recognizing that the same forces that were at play they are still at play now and Toyota is pretty unlikely to build anything risky or enthusiast driven.
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I am doubtful, but still have hopes.
Toyota just made a GR Corolla and a manual GR Supra, so at least part of the company is listening.
Maybe some of that initiative will rub off on the Truck/SUV side of the house...G4R
Jetboy
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Not gonna lie - I like the styling of the new truck. Maybe not so much what compromises were made to fit the styling choice but that's TBD after a test fit. Looks to me like about 32-33" tires and a wide stance with wide-body style fenders on the TRD Pro model. 18 or 20" wheels. Also looks like it'll be easy to install a front partial bumper that matches styling.
Also looks like it has 3 fin antennas? I figured XM was pretty well dead at this point. Maybe for something else?
Also looks like it has 3 fin antennas? I figured XM was pretty well dead at this point. Maybe for something else?
Jetboy
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Floating roof is the new "it" thing I guess. I don't much care either way, but at least make it look stylish. By that I mean make the lines flow with the roof in straight lines or continuous curves. I need to make a kit of black PPF to correct this blight of design.
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