If that is true, that is an amazing improvement for something close to 5k pounds and shaped like a fridge.
Best speculation of a 2023 6th generation I have seen
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If that is true, that is an amazing improvement for something close to 5k pounds and shaped like a fridge.
balong48
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VSC has been around for a bit under the same name. 5th gen 4Runners have it. As far as I know it’s like traction control, but for sliding. You can disable traction control in the 4Runner by pressing the traction control off button, if you were to try to drift in snow it wouldn’t let you. If you come to a stop and hold the button, you can disable both traction control and VSC and then drift away.
Sliding in addition to items like rapid lateral acceleration. VSC is pretty much a staple modern safety system on most vehicles I think since around 2010 if not 2000. I imagine the 4th gen may have it.
Find an open road and try taking your 4Runner up to about 50 mph and swerve back and forth violently across both lanes. You'll have a bunch of beeps and VSC lights come on your dashboard (at least before you end up in a ditch in the progress).
balong48
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Yeah 4th gens have it too.
thatoneguy
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Well, it has 180 lb ft more torque, like 3000 RPM earlier, and will probably use 50% less gasoline. Those are some positives. It's strange how low the ground clearance is on 32.6" tires though.
After seeing this, and knowing the 4Runner slots under the Land Cruiser [Prado] in size, I'm expecting serious greatness out of the 6th gen 4Runner. Maybe it'll get revealed in the next six months.
I can't find it anywhere right now, but I think I read that it will come standard with a 2400W inverter. I think Toyota had overlanding in mind with this specific element of things.
One of the many reviews I read late last night discussed the positioning of the models and claimed the info came from a Toyota executive.
It basically said the 4Runner was targeted toward the younger demographic, the Land Cruiser toward the "mature" demographic. I inferred from that discussion the GX targets the affluent demographic.
That doesn't really answer your suspension question but it may give some insight into Toyota's thinking.
DC
IMO, the base Land Cruiser exists as a build platform. If you are already planning on ditching the bumpers, roof rack, wheels and tires, etc, the Land Cruiser 1958 will be a nice blank slate. You'll get full time 4WD, locking center and rear diff, and the hybrid drivetrain. All the good mechanical bits without having to get a fancy interior, moonroof, etc.
A similarly priced 4Runner is going to likely come with a lot of extra stuff that will either get ripped out and trashed for a build or place obstacles for a build. For example, the '24 Tacoma appears to have all the TSS sensors in the bumper. It looks like they've built all that into the grille on the LC so those lower bumper plastics can easily be removed.
A 4Runner Pro is already a $55k vehicle. I think it will be a $60k vehicle with the 6th gen. So, a mid $50k base Land Cruiser probably will compete by spec with a non-prem TRD OR 4Runner ($45k)... which, of course, probably will have a part time transfer case and non hybrid drivetrain.
IMO, it would have probably been easier to take the Sequoia, change all the plastics, change the suspension/stance, ditch the 3rd row, and build a Land Cruiser off that. That's probably what I'd have done if I was assigned to bring the Land Cruiser back to America without using the actual 300 series.
BUT, I do like what they've come up with. I think it will still be a little rich for my blood and similarly priced 4Runner will be a better value for someone like me, but I'm also not every buyer. If the '24 Tacoma is anything to go by, I think it is subtle in ways that the 6th gen 4Runner won't be. And I think there is a market for subtle. Land Cruiser was always the stealth wealth ride anyway. It is going to come down to pricing and the quality of the vehicle. You can have high quality hard plastics. It can have cloth seats and hard plastic interior while feeling better built than a faux leather seat, soft touch dash. *cough* premium '23 Tacoma versus non-premium '23 4Runner *cough* There are definitely buyers out there that would prefer well built and simple versus fancier looking / chintzy feeling for the same $$$.
I'm super pumped to see what they come up with for the 4Runner. I love my '23 Pro, but I'd be lying if I said that 27mpg, full time 4WD, and an extra 50hp/180lb-ft doesn't make me jealous a little bit. And Heritage Blue!
A similarly priced 4Runner is going to likely come with a lot of extra stuff that will either get ripped out and trashed for a build or place obstacles for a build. For example, the '24 Tacoma appears to have all the TSS sensors in the bumper. It looks like they've built all that into the grille on the LC so those lower bumper plastics can easily be removed.
A 4Runner Pro is already a $55k vehicle. I think it will be a $60k vehicle with the 6th gen. So, a mid $50k base Land Cruiser probably will compete by spec with a non-prem TRD OR 4Runner ($45k)... which, of course, probably will have a part time transfer case and non hybrid drivetrain.
IMO, it would have probably been easier to take the Sequoia, change all the plastics, change the suspension/stance, ditch the 3rd row, and build a Land Cruiser off that. That's probably what I'd have done if I was assigned to bring the Land Cruiser back to America without using the actual 300 series.
BUT, I do like what they've come up with. I think it will still be a little rich for my blood and similarly priced 4Runner will be a better value for someone like me, but I'm also not every buyer. If the '24 Tacoma is anything to go by, I think it is subtle in ways that the 6th gen 4Runner won't be. And I think there is a market for subtle. Land Cruiser was always the stealth wealth ride anyway. It is going to come down to pricing and the quality of the vehicle. You can have high quality hard plastics. It can have cloth seats and hard plastic interior while feeling better built than a faux leather seat, soft touch dash. *cough* premium '23 Tacoma versus non-premium '23 4Runner *cough* There are definitely buyers out there that would prefer well built and simple versus fancier looking / chintzy feeling for the same $$$.
I'm super pumped to see what they come up with for the 4Runner. I love my '23 Pro, but I'd be lying if I said that 27mpg, full time 4WD, and an extra 50hp/180lb-ft doesn't make me jealous a little bit. And Heritage Blue!
I read somewhere that the ground clearance is only 0.2" less than the previous Land Cruiser sold in the U.S. and about 0.9" less than the current 4Runner. That's not too far off. For those who need the extra ground clearance, hopefully this LC and the GX both will allow for larger tires to compensate.
DC
From Toyota.com
2024 Toyota Land Cruiser | Toyota.com
That is pretty darn good if it ends up being true for a heavy awd brick. Wonder what the gas tank size is, 23g like the 4R would be great range.
hwell:Overall I like the new LC. I like the round headlights but I also like the other version.
The higher load floor in the cargo area is not ideal but not a deal breaker.
I was hoping for two engine options. The hybrid is a good choice but I was also hoping for a slightly detuned version of the TTV6 from the GX which could run on 87 octane. Just my own personal wish list but again, not a deal breaker.
I'll be very interested in the reviews after production vehicles can be test driven. One disappointing thing about the new Sequoia is the amount of wind and road noise in the cabin compared to other offerings. A friend who got to try one out said it was louder inside than my '05 Suburban. That's a deal breaker for me for sure and hopefully something the LC can overcome.
I get it that Toyota/Lexus can't be all things to all people but it sure would be nice to have more options and to be able to custom order a vehicle. My biggest frustration with Toyota 4x4 vehicles is that I am unable to choose the most luxurious interior and pair it with the most off-road worthy suspension.
The masses said "Give us round headlights" and they were given round headlights. Then the masses said "No, not THOSE round headlights".
The masses said "Give us retro styling and they were given retro styling. Then the masses said "No, not THAT retro styling". The masses said "Give us more powerful and fuel efficient engines and they were given those engines. Then the masses said "No, not THAT engine". And when I say "masses", I mean the vocal minority.
I'm thinking the GX, the LC250, and the new Tacoma are going to be home runs for Toyota/Lexus. Hopefully the upcoming 4Runner will join that team.
DC
The higher load floor in the cargo area is not ideal but not a deal breaker.
I was hoping for two engine options. The hybrid is a good choice but I was also hoping for a slightly detuned version of the TTV6 from the GX which could run on 87 octane. Just my own personal wish list but again, not a deal breaker.
I'll be very interested in the reviews after production vehicles can be test driven. One disappointing thing about the new Sequoia is the amount of wind and road noise in the cabin compared to other offerings. A friend who got to try one out said it was louder inside than my '05 Suburban. That's a deal breaker for me for sure and hopefully something the LC can overcome.
I get it that Toyota/Lexus can't be all things to all people but it sure would be nice to have more options and to be able to custom order a vehicle. My biggest frustration with Toyota 4x4 vehicles is that I am unable to choose the most luxurious interior and pair it with the most off-road worthy suspension.
The masses said "Give us round headlights" and they were given round headlights. Then the masses said "No, not THOSE round headlights".
The masses said "Give us retro styling and they were given retro styling. Then the masses said "No, not THAT retro styling". The masses said "Give us more powerful and fuel efficient engines and they were given those engines. Then the masses said "No, not THAT engine". And when I say "masses", I mean the vocal minority.
I'm thinking the GX, the LC250, and the new Tacoma are going to be home runs for Toyota/Lexus. Hopefully the upcoming 4Runner will join that team.
DC
From what I can find...
5th Gen 4Runner: 9.6" clearance, 33 degree approach (Pro), 26 degree departure, ~20 degree breakover.
2024 LC: 8.7" clearance, 31 degree approach, 22 degree departure, ~25 degree breakover.
2021 LC: 8.9" clearance, 32 degree approach, 21 degree departure, ~24 degree breakover.
The 265/70R18 size is really only about a 32.6" tire, not a true 33" size by any means. The real question becomes if you can size up into the 33" or even 33.5" range without too much trouble. Knowing Toyota IFS design, width will be your enemy.
I'm curiuos what the largest people can run on a Seqouia is?
CajunMikeR
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I don't remember where I saw it, but it was an R&D vehicle for someone that they were testing on the trail. I thought, "Man, those 35s look nice on the Sequoia." In a later pic, they said they were 37s!
Jetboy
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If it shares comparable geometry in the front to the Sequoia - 35s are just a bolt on and minor plastic trims. 37's IIRC require a BMC if you want to actually use it.
If the 27mpg number is correct - that's probably the biggest game changer. If it can run 35's and still get low 20's MPGs, I'll be interested - even if it is about $10k too expensive.
Blackwatch
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The lifted floor in the back where the battery goes is the biggest disappointment. That's a lot of non-usable space where you need it the most.
Considering how tripped down the 1958 is $55,000 is a lot of money for what you aren't getting.
Considering how tripped down the 1958 is $55,000 is a lot of money for what you aren't getting.
thatoneguy
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This is something I'm getting hung up on. The new LC has 1" larger tires than the 5th gen 4Runner, and it also has an inch LESS ground clearance. What is hanging down on this platform for them to have a bigger tire but less ground clearance? Not the diff pumpkins, I guess.
If Toyota also puts this 32.6" size on the 6th gen 4Runner, hopefully they get increased ground clearance out of it compared to 5th gen, not less.
I do hope the 6th gen continues to offer 17" wheels, not 18" minimum like the Land Cruiser. I want big sidewalls on an offroader.
Yes, but I'm sure a sawz-all was involved to fit 37" on a Seqouia.
One of the neat things about Wranglers was always how easy they could take larger tires. Especially once they went from the JK (which could pretty easily take 35" but defaulted to maxing out at 32") to the JL (which came with factory true 33").
