Best speculation of a 2023 6th generation I have seen
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Not sure why people keep suggesting such wild ideas, Toyota is a very conservative company.
I am going to bet it is going to be basically a Tacoma with any enclosed top and with all the same engines, 2.4T at the lower trims and 2.4T hybrid at the higher trims. SR5 will have the 2.4T so can offer a 3rd row. Production will move to Mexico(and maybe Texas) like the Tacoma to help keep costs contained so it can probably start in the mid-40s to undercut the LC250. A nice surprise would be to offer the 6MT 2.4T from the Tacoma in the new 4r. :banana:
I am going to bet it is going to be basically a Tacoma with any enclosed top and with all the same engines, 2.4T at the lower trims and 2.4T hybrid at the higher trims. SR5 will have the 2.4T so can offer a 3rd row. Production will move to Mexico(and maybe Texas) like the Tacoma to help keep costs contained so it can probably start in the mid-40s to undercut the LC250. A nice surprise would be to offer the 6MT 2.4T from the Tacoma in the new 4r. :banana:
Bingo. We definitely won't be getting removable tops or 2 door variants. Out of all the unlikely things we will get, it'll be the manual from the Tacoma.
To be honest, I still think the TRD Off-Road Tacoma is a big value buy. Toyota had shown 33" tires are the biggest they'll go from factory and the fact that you can get the hybrid max, 33" tires, sway bar disconnect, rear locker on the TRD Off Road Tacoma is pretty amazing.
I still think the Land Cruiser should have offered an off-road package with 35" tires, steel bumpers, and a front locking differential. I can live with the 2.4T as the only option if it gets 27mpg.
yeah I was hoping they offered a front locker too like the LC300. With the sway bar disconnect and improved A-TRAC is should be good enough in the real world for majority of people.
HiluxSurf SSR-G
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there was a post somewhere that hinted that the 6th gen will lose the rear sliding glass.
perhaps that was a hint that the 4Runner will be replaced with a fortuner? the fortuner has a lift-up tailgate but no sliding glass.
Toyota USA has downgraded the LC to a Prado so perhaps they will do the same to the 4Runner by replacing it with a rebadged fortuner?
perhaps that was a hint that the 4Runner will be replaced with a fortuner? the fortuner has a lift-up tailgate but no sliding glass.
Toyota USA has downgraded the LC to a Prado so perhaps they will do the same to the 4Runner by replacing it with a rebadged fortuner?
TheSpinDoctor
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After the GX550 reveal, my hopes were so high for the LC250.
I especially love the base 1958 version with its cloth seats and full roof. A very good starting point that can be modified to fill someone’s needs/wants.
To me, the LC250 is almost great. It would’ve been a great vehicle if there had been a non-hybrid engine option. It could’ve been the base version with the Tacoma’s 2.4t. It could’ve been the top version with the GX550’s 3.4tt. Doesn’t matter.
The hybrid system adds complexity while messing up the cargo area (albeit not as badly as in the Sequoia). I’m also weary of these systems’ durability following “Cablegate” in Canada, where Toyota really disappointed me with how they handled this whole thing, from their choices in design and components to dragging their feet in fixing the issues they created.
I’m crossing my fingers that when sales start to fizzle a bit down the road, Toyota will introduce some sort of “poverty pack” LC250 equipped with the 2.4t (less likely) or some sort of TRD/GR version at the top of the lineup equipped with the 3.4tt (more likely).
I especially love the base 1958 version with its cloth seats and full roof. A very good starting point that can be modified to fill someone’s needs/wants.
To me, the LC250 is almost great. It would’ve been a great vehicle if there had been a non-hybrid engine option. It could’ve been the base version with the Tacoma’s 2.4t. It could’ve been the top version with the GX550’s 3.4tt. Doesn’t matter.
The hybrid system adds complexity while messing up the cargo area (albeit not as badly as in the Sequoia). I’m also weary of these systems’ durability following “Cablegate” in Canada, where Toyota really disappointed me with how they handled this whole thing, from their choices in design and components to dragging their feet in fixing the issues they created.
I’m crossing my fingers that when sales start to fizzle a bit down the road, Toyota will introduce some sort of “poverty pack” LC250 equipped with the 2.4t (less likely) or some sort of TRD/GR version at the top of the lineup equipped with the 3.4tt (more likely).
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sn_85
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I think all this is very plausible and in many ways I hope most of it is true. Personally I'd like for the 4R to have a non-hybrid option in a base SR5 trim. Hopefully you can get that in a 2 row configuration that way you have more cargo space and theoretically more payload without the batteries and without the 3rd row. My ideal package and trim would be a 4R non-hybrid, SR5 with the TRD-OR package in a 2-row config. I dare say that sounds more appealing than the LC250 1958 for a utilitarian rig.
Thai
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Personally, COTH interior is not what I want in an off-roader. Mud, stains, dirt are pain in the rear end to clean. Give my Nuluxe any day of the week!!
Cloth seats are now a cool "thing"....with Nuluxe, there is no reason to use cloth.
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sn_85
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That and if you have dogs their fur gets stuck all over cloth seats. It's a real pain to have to vacuum it up all the time. Plus I find that I can slide in and out of the seat a lot easier with leather or softex.
TexasFunRunner
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Kirk Kreifels is out with a new video and rendering. He spoke with Toyota reps at the Land Cruiser reveal who confirmed, as we know, the 4Runner is not dead.
For his rendering, he started from the Tacoma so the rear wheel wells seem a little oversized, he discusses it about the 9 minute mark.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0KqW0uxLOE&feature=youtu.be
For his rendering, he started from the Tacoma so the rear wheel wells seem a little oversized, he discusses it about the 9 minute mark.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0KqW0uxLOE&feature=youtu.be
Kirk Kreifels is out with a new video and rendering. He spoke with Toyota reps at the Land Cruiser reveal who confirmed, as we know, the 4Runner is not dead.
For his rendering, he started from the Tacoma so the rear wheel wells seem a little oversized, he discusses it about the 9 minute mark.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0KqW0uxLOE&feature=youtu.be
For sure I like nice esthetics. And that rendering looks so good that I just don't think we get it. Clearly I'm having a problem with figuring the positioning of the 4Runner. Something that looks that nice and with the Hybrid and at a lower price point, why do I buy the LandCruiser?
There has to be something else in how they differentiate that I am not anticipating.
Especially for those of us that are current or previous owners. We know the build quality of the 4Runner out of Japan.
I had my V8 4Runner for 255K miles with nothing remarkable. Amazing, durable, confidence inspiring.
You have to give me a reason to go to the Landcruiser or the GX over the 4Runner.
TexasFunRunner
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Kirk discusses overlap, pricing and features in the video.
I'd be very surprised if it looked like this, and I really hope it doesn't. Pretty generic looking. I don't really see any 4Runner styling cues here, and I don't think they'll totally abandon the C pillar sheetmetal design. To me, it actually looks more like an evolution of the current Prado than a 4Runner.
Kirk Kreifels is out with a new video and rendering. He spoke with Toyota reps at the Land Cruiser reveal who confirmed, as we know, the 4Runner is not dead.
For his rendering, he started from the Tacoma so the rear wheel wells seem a little oversized, he discusses it about the 9 minute mark.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0KqW0uxLOE&feature=youtu.be
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MAST4R
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You are not alone. What is more puzzling to me is that Toyota was supposed to offer a niche LC for the offroad enthusiasts and yet all it managed to come up with is a direct competitor to the 4R except with less ground clearance and a departure angle than a 2008 Forester (cool breakover angle though).
Looks like a confusion between the Toyota functionalist thinking based on global experience where overlanding needs are very different and the realities of the US market.
Here "95%" of people buy offroaders cause they make them feel good and then proceed to baby them over the local speeds bumps. They will buy whatever looks cool to them and makes them feel important at a mall.
The remainder of us need a Desert Runner, a Rock Crawler, or an Overlander.
But the 5th gen 4Runner is already that overlander and there is nothing in the new LC to make me wish I had that instead, speaking for OFF the road specs and features.
OTOH, the new Tacoma is THAT vehicle that complements a wagon, offering a very capable and decently priced "open bed" alternative. 11" of front wheel travel alone make me think about a switch, add (hopefully) easy 35s, and the fact that I personally can use a longer wheelbase....The top two trims look specked good enough for a few years of no mods, and the OffRoad trim looks cheap enough to start modding from the gate.
So my own thoughts, should I decide to move on from the 4R or give it to my son in a couple years, are all about the new Tacoma.
If Toyota wants a true niche offroad vehicle, it needs to remake the 4R into something that can take on the Wrangler and the Bronco--and then the current LC will make sense as it will get you to camping spots in the Maze or Death Valley just fine without trying to compete on the (ever more common due to UTV abuse) hardcore terrain.
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Jetboy
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I think Toyota has an opportunity to do something unusual in this space, of course it won't, but maybe Kia or someone like that will. Maybe even... Ford??
There's no small offroad SUV right now. And when I look at how much I dislike my UTV because of how fawkin loud it is despite about 50lbs of added dynamat and foam insulation, how poorly built it is despite being a Yamaha, how much better it would be if it had even the most austere automotive quality cabin, and how much better it would be if it had an automotive engine instead of a motorcycle engine, I come to the conclusion that someone needs to build a new modern mini offroad SUV. A new OG toyota Corolla 4x4 wagon. A 4 seat CanAm Defender with a full cab is longer, wider, and heavier than a 1st generation rav4 or a early 80's toyota pickup. And they run about $45-50k. And even at that price the cabin noise while driving 40mph is north of 90db. It's wild how poorly designed they are for comfortable use. And it's still not street legal and can't go highway speeds.
Toyota could build a vehicle that goes directly head to head with the defender in the dirt for half the price. And it would still be street legal. Basically just an OG Rav4 convertible reinvented with suspension upgrades, a very wide ratio transmission with a low range transfer case and locking differentials. It wouldn't go straight at the Wrangler/Bronco, but it could take a giant bite out of the market both on that side and on the high end UTV market. That UTV market is a million vehicles per year. It's a huge market that no one has taken a serious shot at from the automotive side where they have the capability to build something far better. What Ford did for the Maverick - Toyota should do in the Wrangler/Bronco world.
But it has to be a legitimate trail weapon. Not a current Rav4 playing dress up. Take a japanese Yaris Cross SUV, add a lower range transfer case and long travel suspension. The Yaris Cross is $14k new in awd form. Double that price for the gearing, suspension, and body modifications. $30k. They'd fly off the lots.
There's no small offroad SUV right now. And when I look at how much I dislike my UTV because of how fawkin loud it is despite about 50lbs of added dynamat and foam insulation, how poorly built it is despite being a Yamaha, how much better it would be if it had even the most austere automotive quality cabin, and how much better it would be if it had an automotive engine instead of a motorcycle engine, I come to the conclusion that someone needs to build a new modern mini offroad SUV. A new OG toyota Corolla 4x4 wagon. A 4 seat CanAm Defender with a full cab is longer, wider, and heavier than a 1st generation rav4 or a early 80's toyota pickup. And they run about $45-50k. And even at that price the cabin noise while driving 40mph is north of 90db. It's wild how poorly designed they are for comfortable use. And it's still not street legal and can't go highway speeds.
Toyota could build a vehicle that goes directly head to head with the defender in the dirt for half the price. And it would still be street legal. Basically just an OG Rav4 convertible reinvented with suspension upgrades, a very wide ratio transmission with a low range transfer case and locking differentials. It wouldn't go straight at the Wrangler/Bronco, but it could take a giant bite out of the market both on that side and on the high end UTV market. That UTV market is a million vehicles per year. It's a huge market that no one has taken a serious shot at from the automotive side where they have the capability to build something far better. What Ford did for the Maverick - Toyota should do in the Wrangler/Bronco world.
But it has to be a legitimate trail weapon. Not a current Rav4 playing dress up. Take a japanese Yaris Cross SUV, add a lower range transfer case and long travel suspension. The Yaris Cross is $14k new in awd form. Double that price for the gearing, suspension, and body modifications. $30k. They'd fly off the lots.
gomiami
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Hmm, I think that almost every new SUV that Toyota puts out has a rear view that is a little mini-van like. The worst (so far) is the new Sequoia. I hope they don't do something similar to the 6th gen.
