Best speculation of a 2023 6th generation I have seen

[AZ Craig]

The LC looks like a step back, at least from the outside, do not like the styling, looks cheap and toy like. The LC is suppose to be more refined, especially for the price.

I do not need to purchase something by the end of '23, however I 'need' to know what I plan to purchase then. If they at least announce and show the 6th Gen then I can plan forward. Most vehicles I have purchased have been ordered as they have not had what I want in stock so I need to plan for that amount of time.

14 years with the same center console that they can't even both to fill the heated seat switch blanks from the initial few years is beyond pathetic, IMO.

I was set on the sequoia until I saw the train wreck of the cargo area. I hope they don't make the same mistake on the 4R.

It is what it is as they say. Some people can wait, others can't - not going to make everyone happy. At least there are options out there.

I still can't decide on the new LC to be honest. I don't care for the retro headlight version, but kind of dig the modern headlights with the contrast roof. I'll probably take a look at one once they are out (along with the GX550) as a possible 4Runner replacement. I imagine mark up is going to be absolutley stupid for awhile though, albeit I have only bought Toyotas from a MSRP dealer.

I completely get you on ordering, 4 of my last 6 vehicles have either been custom orders or intercepts of a specific incoming vehicle with a multi-month wait and or a trade between dealers. One of the 2 I got off a lot was a custom order that had financing fall through and was built beautifully (I got really lucky). I'm in the same boat with my Rover right now which I plan on ditching by April 2024. European custom orders can easily be a 3 to 5 month wait (or more).

Also agree on the Sequoia; the third row and cargo area is an absolute wreck. I haven't really seen pictures of the third row/cargo setup in a GX550 (which doesn't have the hybrid max system), but I'm definitely a bit worried seeing the load floor having to be raised on the LC to accomodate the batteries with a solid rear axle.

My guess is if they do a hybrid version of the 6th gen 4Runner, it'll likely be on the Trailhunter and TRD Pro trims without a third row (similar to the 2024 Tacoma power train distribution). We shall see...

 

[gomiami]

Great link, thank you. It is very interesting that the 5th gen MY24 order dates go through until June 10, 2024. Using the delivery window info, it looks like orders take 4 months to get to dealers, so the last 5th gen MY24 will arrive at dealers around October 10th.

For those of you that have watched other Toyota models switchovers, how much time was it from when the dealer received the last old model until the new model showed up on their lots?

If this were a one month gap, then maybe the first 6th gen MY2025 could be delivered to dealers in November or December 2024. This would mean the start of production for the 6th gen MY2025 may be in July or August 2024.

Yeah, the June 10 surprised me. I was expecting something more like April as a cutoff.

Pretty cool Toyota gives the public access to info like that.

 

[qs933]

Yeah, the June 10 surprised me. I was expecting something more like April as a cutoff.

Pretty cool Toyota gives the public access to info like that.

Keep in mind that the fleet schedule should be relatively close to retail sales, but I have seen a few variances. Also, like anything else, those dates do move around and they'll just update it on the site.

The bZ4X, for example, was originally showing a cutoff for the 2023 model year back in Q1. That date got pushed out twice (wheel recall to blame, probably).

 

[thatoneguy]

My guess is if they do a hybrid version of the 6th gen 4Runner, it'll likely be on the Trailhunter and TRD Pro trims without a third row (similar to the 2024 Tacoma power train distribution). We shall see...

Perhaps the optional third row goes away in the new 4Runner, partially for this reason. The new Land Cruiser 250 we're getting doesn't offer a third row and is said to be larger than the current 4Runner. Maybe having a three-row 4Runner is unnecessary in Toyota's lineup? People can go to the Sequoia if they need body on frame and three rows. Or just a Grand Highlander if they want comfy with three rows. Doesn't seem like there needs to be a third offering. Isn't the 4Runner's third row a total joke anyway?

It also takes extra work, extra cost, extra metal, extra vehicle weight to make a third row meet crash tests. They pretty directly said one positive of replacing the access cab Tacoma with the 2024 Xtra Cab with no backseat was that they didn't have to make a backseat meet crash test standards. That mentality could apply to ditching third row on the 4Runner.

We'll see how they navigate the batteries. The 4Runner is smaller than the Sequoia, but it will also have a much lower curb weight and a much smaller engine, so it ought to need less kWh battery capacity, a smaller battery. They may have done some last minute redesigns to optimize batteries in a cargo area due to the backlash the Sequoia got for it.

 

[thatoneguy]

I love the "sturdy, will never die" feel of my venerable 1GR 4.0L V6. That said, this powerless engine, despite its displacement, threw itself into third gear at 4000RPM to get up a highway grade at 70mph on a recent road trip, stock vehicle on stock size P A/Ts. I look forward to driving the new Tacoma at the auto show this January, because a new powertrain that can make 470 lb-ft of torque at 1700rpm (compared to the 1GR's 278 lb-ft at a hella lofty 4400rpm) is probably not going to do anything like that. It should drive very smooth, and feel downright quick compared to the 3.5L and 4.0L V6's; hell, its more torque than the 5.7L used to make.

 

[Blackwatch]

I don’t see the next 4Runner having a 3rd seat. The limited will most likely get the hybrid and battery. It would take sales away from the GH and LC250 if it has a 3rd row.
And lunar rock is gone for 2024. Are they drunk?

 

[AZ Craig]

Perhaps the optional third row goes away in the new 4Runner, partially for this reason. The new Land Cruiser 250 we're getting doesn't offer a third row and is said to be larger than the current 4Runner. Maybe having a three-row 4Runner is unnecessary in Toyota's lineup? People can go to the Sequoia if they need body on frame and three rows. Or just a Grand Highlander if they want comfy with three rows. Doesn't seem like there needs to be a third offering. Isn't the 4Runner's third row a total joke anyway?

It also takes extra work, extra cost, extra metal, extra vehicle weight to make a third row meet crash tests. They pretty directly said one positive of replacing the access cab Tacoma with the 2024 Xtra Cab with no backseat was that they didn't have to make a backseat meet crash test standards. That mentality could apply to ditching third row on the 4Runner.

We'll see how they navigate the batteries. The 4Runner is smaller than the Sequoia, but it will also have a much lower curb weight and a much smaller engine, so it ought to need less kWh battery capacity, a smaller battery. They may have done some last minute redesigns to optimize batteries in a cargo area due to the backlash the Sequoia got for it.

Possibly; we need to remember the GX550 is already engineered to take a third row, albeit without the hybrid battery system. The 4Runner third row was one of the smaller ones on the market, but people still bought and used them regardless in the trims that they were available on. Yes, the Grand Highlander was not in the mix at that point, but the question becomes if people are willing to go into $60K+ Sequoias just to get a body on frame with a third row. I think for this reason we will see a third row in some trims of the 4Runner.

You do have a good point on the hybrid systems, I am not sure how much larger the battery requirement of the Sequoia/Tundra are versus the 2.4L turbo paired with the hybrid max (ala Grand Highlander, Crown and Tacoma).

I still think Toyota has an inherent challenge with their old tech batteries on these hybrids and a body on frame with solid rear axle. The high load floor in the 2024 Land Cruiser is also demonstrating that (much like the Sequoia).

 

[AZ Craig]

I love the "sturdy, will never die" feel of my venerable 1GR 4.0L V6. That said, this powerless engine, despite its displacement, threw itself into third gear at 4000RPM to get up a highway grade at 70mph on a recent road trip, stock vehicle on stock size P A/Ts. I look forward to driving the new Tacoma at the auto show this January, because a new powertrain that can make 470 lb-ft of torque at 1700rpm (compared to the 1GR's 278 lb-ft at a hella lofty 4400rpm) is probably not going to do anything like that. It should drive very smooth, and feel downright quick compared to the 3.5L and 4.0L V6's; hell, its more torque than the 5.7L used to make.

Completely agree; the 4Runner powertrain is absolutely gutless and really horrible for highway speed climbing out west. The Land Cruiser with the hybrid max is probably going to feel like a rocket ship also in comparison.

I honestly think the powertrain will be what ultimately pushes me to replace my 4Runner since being both gutless and getting 16 mpg is just getting old in these days of $4+ gas.

 

[AZ Craig]

I don’t see the next 4Runner having a 3rd seat. The limited will most likely get the hybrid and battery. It would take sales away from the GH and LC250 if it has a 3rd row.
And lunar rock is gone for 2024. Are they drunk?

I never liked lunar rock. :sorry:

Didn't look good on RAV4s (where I first saw it) and don't think it looks good on Toyota's bigger trucks either. It's like it wants to be a flat gray but doesn't know what color it is .

Just my opinion though; if you love it, more power to you.

 

[Blackwatch]

I never liked lunar rock. :sorry:

Didn't look good on RAV4s (where I first saw it) and don't think it looks good on Toyota's bigger trucks either. It's like it wants to be a flat gray but doesn't know what color it is .

Just my opinion though; if you love it, more power to you.

It must not of been as popular as I thought. I loved it on the Pro.

I’m interested to see what underground will look like on the 4Runner this year.
Will be the only year it’s available on the 5th gen.
Army green with black roof is coming to the RAV4 woodland edition

Might look good too

 

[AZ Craig]

It must not of been as popular as I thought. I loved it on the Pro.

I’m interested to see what underground will look like on the 4Runner this year.
Will be the only year it’s available on the 5th gen.
Army green with black roof is coming to the RAV4 woodland edition

Might look good too

There were definitely some fans of lunar rock although I think I liked cement more.

What color is "underground" (assuming that is what you mean)? I don't care for the 2024 terra color that much from what I've seen, but maybe it will look better in person.

RAV4 with contrast roof and army green would look pretty good.

 

[Blackwatch]

There were definitely some fans of lunar rock although I think I liked cement more.

What color is "underground" (assuming that is what you mean)? I don't care for the 2024 terra color that much from what I've seen, but maybe it will look better in person.

RAV4 with contrast roof and army green would look pretty good.

Underground is the new grey, it’s replacing the old grey. You can see it on the new Tacoma.

 

[JustRidin]

Yep. I've wanted a pickup truck, don't need a full size, and the rear seat legroom of midsize trucks don't come close to the 4Runner.

Exactly how I ended up shopping for 4Runners. I had an extended cab 2nd gen Colorado and just wanted 4 seats. Turns out the rear seats in all the current mid-sizers are just a hair too small to work as a comfortable 4-person camping vehicle.

 

[JustRidin]

Other non BOF Toyotas will give you that reliability. If not off-roading (real, not just dirt roads) and towing more than very casually then it makes zero sense to go with a BOF. Other options will always be better much at hauling people on pavement.

I agree with this sentiment, but remain grateful that hordes of people without a real need have bought 4Runners. Makes the used market and parts availability much better.

 

[Buckfever]

Completely agree; the 4Runner powertrain is absolutely gutless and really horrible for highway speed climbing out west. The Land Cruiser with the hybrid max is probably going to feel like a rocket ship also in comparison.

I honestly think the powertrain will be what ultimately pushes me to replace my 4Runner since being both gutless and getting 16 mpg is just getting old in these days of $4+ gas.

I thought the V8 was amazing. I would not have moved away from the 4Runner if they had kept that. I think the v4 hybrid because of the low end torque is what is interesting and so we'll see where they offer it in the line.

 

[TexasFunRunner]

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[Blackwatch]

The overland Prius will be on the road before we get a glance at a 6th gen 4Runner.

 

[TexasFunRunner]

The overland Prius will be on the road before we get a glance at a 6th gen 4Runner.

I've heard on the Plano grapevine, the Toyota National Dealer Meeting will be in Las Vegas next week, Sept. 12-14. Many of the dealers will see the new 2025 6th gen 4Runner for the first time, expect leaks within a week, hopefully it will include photos.

 

[2chains]

Can’t wait to see something on this!

 

[Blackwatch]

I've heard on the Plano grapevine, the Toyota National Dealer Meeting will be in Las Vegas next week, Sept. 12-14. Many of the dealers will see the new 2025 6th gen 4Runner for the first time, expect leaks within a week, hopefully it will include photos.

I think they showed the LC250 this time last year to the dealers and I don't think there were any leaks. I hope someone spills it.