phillyd2
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Especially since the military strategy in the Pacific is commonly called Island Hopping.
Best speculation of a 2023 6th generation I have seen
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Especially since the military strategy in the Pacific is commonly called Island Hopping.
That's what I am hoping. Will be interesting to see how it is named in US assuming we get it.
Blackwatch
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According to this Japanese magazine the baby LC will only be for the Asian market and will not be made in Japan. Most likely Thailand which means we won't get it here. I don't know of any Toyota vehicles made in other Asian countries that is made North America as well.
If it were about the size of the FJ Cruiser with 4 doors, a lot lighter and had the Rav hybrid engine it would be nice.
http://https://youtu.be/4pfhRNZPC1Y?si=LbA48snNtE1At1AW
If it were about the size of the FJ Cruiser with 4 doors, a lot lighter and had the Rav hybrid engine it would be nice.
http://https://youtu.be/4pfhRNZPC1Y?si=LbA48snNtE1At1AW
Jetboy
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From what I can glean from all of the rumors - there are likely 2 new small boxy SUV models in the works. One a "small" GA-F platform model and one a GA-K (rav4). The GA-F probably not destined for north america - which is the one we'd all want and the GA-K model likely for north america but is basically akin to a Rav4 TRD with a boxy skin.
The GA-F model that would compete with a Jimny would be super popular I think. I'd LOVE to have a BOF suv from Toyota that's 2500-3k lbs and has 4 doors and a removeable top. A new 4 door samurai would be my dream model right now. Even a 2 door would be okay for me. I have a love/hate relationship with my Yamaha UTV due to the poor build quality from Yamaha, the lack of cabin comfort - engine and powertrain noise, lack of all weather protection. But I absolutely love the offroad capability. It's just so crazy good in the terrain I have around me right now that's a mix of peet bogs, mud, rock fields, and snow/ice - but also very narrow trails. It crushes those trails. A new model of something sized like a Jimny with a full cab - especially if it's under $30k - Yes please. I'd have one in my driveway in a heartbeat. Make it flat towable would be even better. The biggest thing it needs is legitimate long travel suspension like a UTV and it would be a huge winner IMO.
The Rav4 doing cosplay - I think that's the high volume seller and the obvious choice for Toyota. I fear it'll be a modern day PT Cruiser or Honda Element. Popular because of the novelty and quickly become stale and boring because it doesn't have a second life as an offroad model so there's no continuity between generations and no halo effect from the enthusiasts. It's easy money for one generation and done I suspect. I really wouldn't care if it is IFS/IRS and unibody if they gave it robust suspension and drivelines and locking differentials front and rear. It'll never happen. But it could also serve the same purpose as my ideal model if they did it right. But Toyota won't even put a front locker in the Land Cruiser. No way they'll do it in a CUV and there's no aftermarket alternatives for front lockers in a toyota transaxle.
The third option that would absolutely blow my mind if Toyota ever did something as fun/exciting as this: A GA-L platform model that's unibody but with rwd bias awd, double wishbone front/rear suspension, and legitimate offroad capability. And IS350 turned CUV. Never going to happen. But it would be the right platform and right design for an enthusiast mini suv.
The GA-F model that would compete with a Jimny would be super popular I think. I'd LOVE to have a BOF suv from Toyota that's 2500-3k lbs and has 4 doors and a removeable top. A new 4 door samurai would be my dream model right now. Even a 2 door would be okay for me. I have a love/hate relationship with my Yamaha UTV due to the poor build quality from Yamaha, the lack of cabin comfort - engine and powertrain noise, lack of all weather protection. But I absolutely love the offroad capability. It's just so crazy good in the terrain I have around me right now that's a mix of peet bogs, mud, rock fields, and snow/ice - but also very narrow trails. It crushes those trails. A new model of something sized like a Jimny with a full cab - especially if it's under $30k - Yes please. I'd have one in my driveway in a heartbeat. Make it flat towable would be even better. The biggest thing it needs is legitimate long travel suspension like a UTV and it would be a huge winner IMO.
The Rav4 doing cosplay - I think that's the high volume seller and the obvious choice for Toyota. I fear it'll be a modern day PT Cruiser or Honda Element. Popular because of the novelty and quickly become stale and boring because it doesn't have a second life as an offroad model so there's no continuity between generations and no halo effect from the enthusiasts. It's easy money for one generation and done I suspect. I really wouldn't care if it is IFS/IRS and unibody if they gave it robust suspension and drivelines and locking differentials front and rear. It'll never happen. But it could also serve the same purpose as my ideal model if they did it right. But Toyota won't even put a front locker in the Land Cruiser. No way they'll do it in a CUV and there's no aftermarket alternatives for front lockers in a toyota transaxle.
The third option that would absolutely blow my mind if Toyota ever did something as fun/exciting as this: A GA-L platform model that's unibody but with rwd bias awd, double wishbone front/rear suspension, and legitimate offroad capability. And IS350 turned CUV. Never going to happen. But it would be the right platform and right design for an enthusiast mini suv.
So Many Roads
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2024 5th gen
2024 4R announcement: New color and minor safety features...
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Crazy that the 5th gen model has lasted 15 years.
2024 4R announcement: New color and minor safety features...
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Crazy that the 5th gen model has lasted 15 years.
Still no announcement of the PHEV version. And I would take an X7 and their far superior engine options over the TX any day of the week. Even at $11k more.
Good to see the final pricing tho. It confirms that there's no way to get the PHEV version under 80k.
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99ways2die
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"New Terra Exterior Color for TRD Pro"
Somewhere @ Toyota, 5 days ago:
"Hey Joe, can you check the warehouse for any left over paint....we need a "new" TRP Pro color for the next year, to keep their mouths shut just a little longer."
balong48
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Lol I've called the 2022+ MY's the parts bin specials as they seem to be using whatever they've got left. The TRD Sport models have the wheels from a 2010-2013 Limited and they added the push button rear window to all models instead of it being exclusive to the Limited trim.
Baystate4Runner
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10.9 inches ground clearance? If true, this would be an inch more than the 4Runner and 2 inches more than the LC250. Makes me hope the claimed 8 something inches for the LC250 are not true in the end and it gets more ground clearance.
Good catch actually; I hadn't noticed that number in there. I swear the GX550 had a similar ground clearance to the 8.7 inches quoted for the LC250, but I'm seeing the 10.9 inch number in multiple spots now looking around.
I don't understand how they could get 2.2 inches of additional clearance out of the GX550 Overtrail versus the standard Land Cruiser. Even if it's something like 8.7 inches for the base LC which I think will come on 32" tires, that'd only explain maybe 0.5 inches of delta or so.
Any ideas out there on the forum?
TexasFunRunner
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I think they have not shown the LC equivalent to the Overtrail. When they do, I would expect the ground clearance to be similar.
Maybe they are holding it for second year or maybe they will surprise us early.
Perhaps those in the know will clue us in. ;-)
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Jetboy
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FWIW - it doesn't have 10.9" of ground clearance. With a 32.5" tire the rear axle center is 16.25" above the ground with no tire deflection. On the ground it's about 15" to axle center. It has a 9.5" axle ring gear with roughly 1" of axle housing below the ring gear. The math on that works out to the axle housing being about 6.25" below centerline. The net of the tire height and axle size is about 9" of ground clearance under the rear differential. The only way it has nearly 11" of ground clearance is if it's on 35s or bigger. I think 10.9 is likely something like belly clearance or front IFS skid plate. Not the rear diff. It's not really plausible that it's 10.9 with only 32.5" tires.
thatoneguy
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This is something I was getting hung up on. It's great that they're moving an entire inch (32.6" vs 31.6") larger in diameter in tire size. I would like it to come with a ground clearance increase. If the rear axle was totally identical to a 5th gen, a 1" larger tire should have resulted in 0.5" more clearance at the bottom of the rear diff.
That said, my wheeling in 3rd and 5th gen 4Runners hasn't resulted in rear diff clearance being the first problem area. My #1 seems to be eating rear trailer hitch; a deficiency in rear departure angle. I would really like the new 4Runner to be like the new LC250 with enhanced approach and departure angles; that's my pipe dream.
MAST4R
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Same here, but I have always used an insert or a cheap hitch skid (those sold for front ones) and thus that piece takes all the punishment: most notably on the steep flat rock on the south loop of Fins and Things but also on many other, unremarkable otherwise places. So far rear hitch and bumper have remained intact thanks to that 35$ piece.
thatoneguy
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I ate s*** in my '99 on that exact rock on Fins & Things you're referring to. When I think of lack of rear departure angle, I think about that rock.
Hah, for me it was the east side of Imogene Pass. Was dropping a particularly big ledge and my hitch got slammed along with a bent piece on the one side of it. I don't really use it to be honest, but it's definitely a weakness.
I ran Fins & Things back in 2012 with my Jeep. It definitely would do a number on the back of a 4Runner (despite not being a particularly difficult trail).
Jetboy
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For me it's a mixed bag. Just depends on terrain. I probably got hung up most on either the sliders or the gas tank skid of anything. But my rear diff drain plug was chewed up bad enough I had to replace it by about 60k miles - so it had it's share of face time with rocks. I also used the rear driveshaft as a slider a few times. Had some spiral rock rash but it never bent or dented at all. Held up incredibly well. Much better than an aluminum one would. I wouldn't say the rear diff is my biggest concern, but it was something I would get stuck on occasionally in rocky terrain and also a bit of a plow at times in the mud.
With respect to tire size - the rear diff is also 1" larger diameter so the two offset. It's 1/2" more tire height and about 1/2" lower diff ring gear. Assuming the housings are roughly similar in clearance it'll be somewhere around 9-9.5" I'd guess with the 33's. I only own one vehicle with a 9.5" rear axle, but it's not close enough to measure easily. Otherwise I could just go measure to get a more accurate number.
It does look like belly clearance is significantly improved on the new ones. That's a bug plus for me. That was the other place I'd get hung up on pretty regularly.
Jetboy
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The trick to that spot is taking a hard angle to the left as you get to the bottom. It ups the pucker factor a bit. Over the 8 years I had my 2015 I replaced the front bumper skin 2 times from rock rash, but I picked them up for $100 on local classifieds and superwhite matches really well, so I didn't worry too much about it. Just consider it a wear item. The LC250 unpainted black bumpers look funny - especially the rear. But supposedly that's the idea with them being black like that is to just have them be cheap unpainted and easily replaced.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWkJPQZPIfc&feature=youtu.be
I've tried about 10 ways to get this to work. Not sure how to embed video on this forum anymore.
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