Billstein 4600's... Do I absolutely need new coils/mounts?

eric_rosenwald

eric_rosenwald

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First of all... I've done a lot of research here and on Google.

I have a 2000 V6 SRD 4WD 4Runner. It's my daily driver, but I go 4-wheeling about once a month in the desert. I don't do rock-crawling or anything too crazy. I tend to be pretty conservative on back-roads, since it's my daily driver, too. But I still want a good suspension system!

Tires:
brand-new Pathfinder Sport AT -- P265/70R16

This will be my first major car part purchase, so I want to get it right. I want to replace all 4 of the shocks (it has 175k-miles and the OEM shocks!) I want to have my regular mechanic install them. I'm planning on ordering the shocks online:

FRONT:
24-187244 F4-BE5-F332-H1 Bilstein

REAR:
24-024518 F4-BE5-2451-H0 Bilstein

I'm on a budget... Do I absolutely need to replace the front shock mounts and coils, too? Anything else? If so, is that the kind of thing I could affordably get my mechanic to provide? I'm thinking I'll just buy the 4 shocks, then bring them in for my mechanic to install them. Good plan?

Thanks!
 
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Nope. I did this a couple of weeks ago. Borrowed spring compressor from Auto Zone. Used existing coils. Used existing top hats. Needed different rubber bushings for the lower shock mounts and a larger nut for the top of the bilstein strut rod.
What do you mean by shock mounts?
 
If all you are wanting is to swap shocks ordering those that linked should include everything needed for an install.
 
ARC said:
If all you are wanting is to swap shocks ordering those that linked should include everything needed for an install.
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Directly from the link.

"Toyota 4-Runner 2WD and 4WD 2000 Front The original equipment hardware must be reused when installing this unit. Use on 4WD models only"
 
I just went through the same thing with mine, and while not cheap I decided to go ahead and replace everything while I was at it. My '99 has a lot more miles than yours, but 175k is still a lot for the original springs.
For the strut mounts I went with KYB SM5184, and I also purchased new coil spring insulators for the rear - part number 48302-60051
 
MStudt said:
Point is, you should have read the link. You told the OP the link should come with all the hardware you need. It clearly doesn't.
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So what else does he have to have? I did read the link and as you quoted stock hardware would be reused. If he can use the stock stuff is there something else I am missing?
 
ARC said:
So what else does he have to have? I did read the link and as you quoted stock hardware would be reused. If he can use the stock stuff is there something else I am missing?
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Have to have? That's up to him not me. Can reuse and should reuse are two different things. Reusing a top hat, that's fine. Reusing 13 year old nuts and bushing, I'd stay of that.
 
I'll just put in here that I'm currently broke too. Really want to do the whole nine, but had to keep it down to the essentials. In my case it actually meant rear coils and nothing else. I'll tell you, those rear coils made a huge difference! So, if you can afford a little extra, you'll be glad you did to buy coils for the back, especially with the extreme sag we get on these trucks.
 
just a versatility question here ,not trying to de-rail ,but will these shocks work if you lifted it down the road with a larger coil ?
 
MStudt said:
Have to have? That's up to him not me. Can reuse and should reuse are two different things. Reusing a top hat, that's fine. Reusing 13 year old nuts and bushing, I'd stay of that.
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Well the title of this post is "do I absolutely need..." So I assumed he wanted know what the bare minimum was, but is am on the same page as you.

OP I would strongly consider getting at least nuts and bushing with the the shocks. I would place the order on the phone so you can confirm what is included.
 
i have read that there extended length are as long as the ome rears ? is why i point this detail out .but not everything you read on the net is always true though
 
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rubbertoe said:
i have read that there extended length are as long as the ome rears ? is why i ask
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You can run the rears with a 3". You won't have as much down travel though. There's a thread on here from a couple years ago that talked about these shocks..

*Edit* here's the link
 
Well if my math is correct theres only a 5/8" difference in travel between the two (bilstein 4600 4wd and ome 60028 long travel shock),and a total of an 1+ "difference in shaft lengths .but where the long travel shock will be a slightly better option is the length where it sits in the stroke when it begins its down travel,Imo.but this shock will work and give some versatility down the road .also this option would probably be a great option on say a 2" lift . check out the specs i was able to find for comparison ,look this thread title up :bilstein hd shocks ok with ome lift coils? (theres a link on this thread with shock specs in post #2) i am just trying to point out the value feature in this shock .And op personally for the $40.00 i would change the top hats to restore the dampening feature they provide, easy now,its not so easy to do it later

http://www.top4runners.com/ja/bils.html
http://www.sleeoffroad.com/products/suspension_pieces_shocks.htm
 
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slapdappy said:
Nope. I did this a couple of weeks ago. Borrowed spring compressor from Auto Zone. Used existing coils. Used existing top hats. Needed different rubber bushings for the lower shock mounts and a larger nut for the top of the bilstein strut rod.
What do you mean by shock mounts?
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I actually have no idea about the shock mounts. I found a thread written by someone that also bought the same ones I considering; also a 2000 4WD. They suggested getting them in their statement, but didn't go into details. (maybe he meant top hats?)

Those additional accessories... Is it reasonable to assume that my mechanic could get those cheap, or does it make more sense for me to get them?

Did you get those same shocks?
 
MStudt said:
Point is, you should have read the link. You told the OP the link should come with all the hardware you need. It clearly doesn't.
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I should have mentioned this. I meant to... I just forgot to in my post. I was going to ask... Can anyone elaborate on this? Did they follow these instructions?
 
Brique said:
I'll just put in here that I'm currently broke too. Really want to do the whole nine, but had to keep it down to the essentials. In my case it actually meant rear coils and nothing else. I'll tell you, those rear coils made a huge difference! So, if you can afford a little extra, you'll be glad you did to buy coils for the back, especially with the extreme sag we get on these trucks.
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How much did you spend for those rear ones? That sounds like a good idea to me. I'll usually have a lot of weight in the back anyway. Will it cost that much more to put those in (take a lot more time), or is it all pretty straightforward once you've got it up working on the shocks as it is?
 
ARC said:
Well the title of this post is "do I absolutely need..." So I assumed he wanted know what the bare minimum was, but is am on the same page as you.

OP I would strongly consider getting at least nuts and bushing with the the shocks. I would place the order on the phone so you can confirm what is included.
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So I should basically just call the order in, and ask what specific nut and bushings set I need for my specific 4R/new shocks?
 
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