Billstein 4600's... Do I absolutely need new coils/mounts?

[MStudt]

I should have mentioned this. I meant to... I just forgot to in my post. I was going to ask... Can anyone elaborate on this? Did they follow these instructions?

You just get the shock and eye bushing. Nothing else. You have to reuse all of your old hardware.

 

[eric_rosenwald]

So I'm a little bit confused. I'm getting the new nuts and bushings in addition to the shocks.

As far as getting anything else... I have the option to get new strut mounts, new coils, new coil insulators, top hats...

If I got additional equipment, what do you guys suggest I start with? I'm assuming new rear coils... I carry a lot of weight when I'm 4-wheeling, so this seems wise. I'm not interested in doing any major lift project -- I'd just need some sturdy coils. It looks like they'll cost around $100 for two rear coils?


If you change the coils, do you have to get new coil insulators?

So... basically put in order of desirability, if I upgrade further while I'm at it:

new top hats
new strut mounts
new coils
new coil insulators

 

[rubbertoe]

[/U]ic_rosenwald;1735005]So I'm a little bit confused. I'm getting the new nuts and bushings in addition to the shocks.

As far as getting anything else... I have the option to get new strut mounts, new coils, new coil insulators, top hats...

If I got additional equipment, what do you guys suggest I start with? I'm assuming new rear coils... I carry a lot of weight when I'm 4-wheeling, so this seems wise. I'm not interested in doing any major lift project -- I'd just need some sturdy coils. It looks like they'll cost around $100 for two rear coils?


If you change the coils, do you have to get new coil insulators?

So... basically put in order of desirability, if I upgrade further while I'm at it:

new top hats
new strut mounts
new coils
new coil insulators

to clear thing up ,if you buy monroe front coil mounts that includes the mount (top hat)and rubber insulator in the rear you will re-use your stock components for coil assembly.the shocks should come complete with new mounting hardware for the rest

 

[MStudt]

to clear thing up ,if you buy monroe front coil mounts that includes the mount (top hat)and rubber insulator in the rear you will re-use your stock components for coil assembly.the shocks should come complete with new mounting hardware for the rest

Correct. You can get complete strut kits from Autozone with everything you need. Take them out of the box and put them on. Nothing more than that is needed.

 

[eric_rosenwald]

to clear thing up ,if you buy monroe front coil mounts that includes the mount (top hat)and rubber insulator in the rear you will re-use your stock components for coil assembly.the shocks should come complete with new mounting hardware for the rest

Wait... so I don't need to buy new nuts and bushings for the shocks? They will come with those items? Or are you talking about different hardware?

 

[MStudt]

Wait... so I don't need to buy new nuts and bushings for the shocks? They will come with those items? Or are you talking about different hardware?

I bought some Gabriel's from Autozone about a year ago. The came with all the bushing, washers, and nut. They're $62 each. Keep in mind these are not as good as the Bilsteins.

 

[eric_rosenwald]

Correct. You can get complete strut kits from Autozone with everything you need. Take them out of the box and put them on. Nothing more than that is needed.

I'm not finding any strut kits for my specific T4R on Autozone or O'Reily. Do you think that the online shock supplier that I'm buying the shocks from would have that?

Does this kit include new nuts and bushings that were suggested by someone else?

 

[rubbertoe]

The bilsteins should come complete with the nut and bushings top and bottom and necessary washers

 

[eric_rosenwald]

New Rear Coil Springs Will I'm at It?

Considering I'm getting the Billstein shocks and a kit of nuts/bushings, and I usually go 4-wheeling with a lot of weight (about once a month -- it's my daily driver), and I have no plans on getting a lift kit...

What rear coil springs should I get?

 

[rubbertoe]

suspension preference is a personal preference ,meaning what i like you might not .theres quite a few options but what is the price range you want to be in ? i think the ome are a great value .what coils were you going to get for a hundred ? also you cant go wrong with stockers,99 talls ?

 

[eric_rosenwald]

suspension preference is a personal preference ,meaning what i like you might not .what coils were you going to get for a hundred ? also you cant go wrong with stockers

Do you think it's a bad idea to keep the original coils? The current shocks are the ORIGINALS! That's crazy. But it's not bouncing everywhere, so I already know the suspension system is in decent condition, considering its age. I'm starting to think that the original coils might be OK, since the previous owners were so light on this T4R (never been off road before I got it)

 

[MStudt]

I'm not finding any strut kits for my specific T4R on Autozone or O'Reily. Do you think that the online shock supplier that I'm buying the shocks from would have that?

Does this kit include new nuts and bushings that were suggested by someone else?

Autozone carries two different ones in stock that will work for you.

The bilsteins should come complete with the nut and bushings top and bottom and necessary washers

They do NOT come with the bushing, washer, or nut. Even if you buy Bilsteins from Toytec, you still have to buy the bushing, washer, and nut separate. The link he posted even states that you must reuse the original hardware.

 

[rubbertoe]

They do NOT come with the rubber bushing, washer, or nut. Even if you buy Bilsteins from Toytec, you still have to buy the bushing, washer, and nut separate. The link he posted even states that you must reuse the original hardware.[/QUOTE]

i am talking about the bushing washers and nut at the top of the shock shaft front and rear also the rubber bushings for the rear shock bottom mount location .no coil isolator hardware was included .both my 4600's and 5100's supplied these .unless these are different for some reason,i didn't buy mine from Toytec

 

[Brique]

How much did you spend for those rear ones? That sounds like a good idea to me. I'll usually have a lot of weight in the back anyway. Will it cost that much more to put those in (take a lot more time), or is it all pretty straightforward once you've got it up working on the shocks as it is?

I'm planning on doing a full upgrade on my suspension later when i can afford it, so for now i ordered a pair of the 99 tall replacement coils from autozone for $57, total delivered was $75.

Installation was stupid easy. If you're doing rear shocks, the additional time to swap the coils out is about five minutes, no joke.

By going with the 99 talls I got a little rake, which i like, and the extra inch over stock is insurance against sag if the coils turn out to be saggy junk.

 

[Brique]

Also, if you haven't already, watch [MENTION=8729]Speedy[/MENTION] 's video on YouTube where he upgrades to tundra front, ome rear. It's a fabulous instructional even if you're doing stock. I'll look for the link and see if i can edit it in for you.

Edit: here ya go. I watched it five times then felt like a pro when i was able to rock it out like a boss.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9-0hMzv_RU&feature=youtube_gdata_player

 

[eric_rosenwald]

I'm planning on doing a full upgrade on my suspension later when i can afford it, so for now i ordered a pair of the 99 tall replacement coils from autozone for $57, total delivered was $75.

Installation was stupid easy. If you're doing rear shocks, the additional time to swap the coils out is about five minutes, no joke.

By going with the 99 talls I got a little rake, which i like, and the extra inch over stock is insurance against sag if the coils turn out to be saggy junk.

I've been really confused on the subject of what is considered "tall", but from what I understand, these are the right ones for me (yellow/red), and I think they're considered the 'tall' ones:

Toyota Part #48231-35210

toyotapartszone.com is saying they're $75 each -- with free shipping, $150 total. Not bad, from what I'm seeing, and the same that you paid.

It's REALLY good news that since I'm installing those new Billstein 4600's for all 4 wheels, the coil swap will be super easy. I'm not doing it myself, so I'm paying for labor... And only five minutes extra time is EXACTLY what I want to hear!

I don't mind a little extra rake. I 4-wheel with tons of weight and I plan on towing this summer, so it'll help to have that extra boost back there!

 

[rubbertoe]

The coils they referring to as 99 tall's are off a 1999 4runner that year the coils were taller making the truck sit a bit higher than other years and make them desirable because it gives a bit of lift for free .The coils you have listed look like a good deal ! when you order i think you need them side specific meaning a drivers side and passenger side,reason being is that theres a bit more weight from the gas tank on the drivers side.as far as your mechanic if i were a betting man ,i think an 1hour labor to 1.5 for the rear would be realistic .

 

[eric_rosenwald]

The coils they referring to as 99 tall's are off a 1999 4runner that year the coils were taller making the truck sit a bit higher than other years and make them desirable because it gives a bit of lift for free .The coils you have listed look like a good deal ! when you order i think you need them side specific meaning a drivers side and passenger side,reason being is that theres a bit more weight from the gas tank on the drivers side.as far as your mechanic if i were a betting man ,i think an 1hour labor to 1.5 for the rear would be realistic .

I'm just going to upgrade the rear coils. They're identical on each side

 

[rubbertoe]

Ok ,If you say so .

 

[eric_rosenwald]

I'll just put in here that I'm currently broke too. Really want to do the whole nine, but had to keep it down to the essentials. In my case it actually meant rear coils and nothing else. I'll tell you, those rear coils made a huge difference! So, if you can afford a little extra, you'll be glad you did to buy coils for the back, especially with the extreme sag we get on these trucks.

I'm thinking of getting these coils:

48231-35210 Yellow/Red

I usually carry a good bit of weight when I'm 4-wheeling... I was under the impression that these coils would be perfect for that. But then someone said they don't handle weight very well... I'm confused. I definitely need to replace the shocks, and I might as well replace the coils too. After the research I've done, I've concluded that those 'tall' ones from the 99 Highlander are perfect. But, someone just refuted that... idk.