Bilstein TRD Pro suspension kit on sale PTR13-35140

[NorCal TRD OR]

Are there any negatives to using this suspension versus the 4Runner TRD Pro suspension or another that was custom made for the 4Runner? Seems like the fact that this was made for a lighter vehicle might be a problem, but I'm a total novice.

 

[JimPA]

NorCal TRD OR - I had the same questions as you. I'm not looking for anything more than 1" of front lift. I don't run oversized tires. I just (finally) pulled the trigger on the Bilstein TRD Pro suspension kit, PTR13-35140. Won't know if there is still units available till tomorrow.

If you read the entire thread, you will see that there are differences with the spring height on the 4Runner TRD suspension kits AND the FJ Cruiser TRD Suspension kits. The FJ Cruiser kits have a taller spring but the spring mounts lower on the strut.

Same lift as TRD PRO 4R setup. Yes, you're correct. The perch on the shocks in this kit sit 1" lower but they come with a 14" spring instead of the 13" spring that the TRD PRO 4R setup has from the factory. Lift is equal.

**JUST KNOW THAT YOU WILL NOT GET AN ADDITIONAL 1" OF LIFT IF YOU REPLACE THE FRONT COILS IN THIS KIT WITH THE 1" TRD PRO LIFT COILS FROM DOBINSONS, KINGS, ETC. AS THEY ARE ALL 3"ID X 14" **

...so no front lift consideration. The difference in 13" 4Runner and 14" FJ Cruiser front springs would be a ride performance consideration.

Unless you change the rear springs, you get zero rear lift, so no rear lift consideration.

As for the struts/shocks in the 4Runner kit and FJ Cruiser kit, I can't imagine the differences being substantial. Others may disagree but consider Bilstein specifies the same Shock/Strut for the 2014 FJ 4WD and 2014 4Runner Trail. See below.

YOUR SEARCH RESULTS FOR 2014 TOYOTA 4RUNNER TRAIL
https://www.bilstein.com/us/en/product-search/?YearId=5937479425307195915&MakeId=5312070796176268499&ModelId=1918173322083608451&SubModelId=2049252182174343295

YOUR SEARCH RESULTS FOR 2014 TOYOTA FJ CRUISER BASE 4WD
https://www.bilstein.com/us/en/product-search/?YearId=5937479425307195915&MakeId=5312070796176268499&ModelId=5969849633293178569&SubModelId=7772828447578431571&DriveId=6510190803011472636

Finally, I am not sure of your generation or model of 4Runner. But if you have KDSS, there are some additional considerations before adding the TRD Suspension kit. Check out this post:
http://www.toyota-4runner.org/5th-gen-t4rs/183732-possible-add-trd-pro-suspension-6.html#post2281025

 

[TodiN]

2018 TRD OR, no KDSS.
Has anyone swapped OEM front springs in the back while doing this suspension kit upgrade?
Any thoughts if it’s possible and what the impact would be?

 

[TodiN]

I'll let you know next week. Putting OME 895s in the back

Forget my ignorance, are the OME 895 the same with original front springs?

 

[mgproudfit]

NorCal TRD OR - I had the same questions as you. I'm not looking for anything more than 1" of front lift. I don't run oversized tires. I just (finally) pulled the trigger on the Bilstein TRD Pro suspension kit, PTR13-35140. Won't know if there is still units available till tomorrow.

If you read the entire thread, you will see that there are differences with the spring height on the 4Runner TRD suspension kits AND the FJ Cruiser TRD Suspension kits. The FJ Cruiser kits have a taller spring but the spring mounts lower on the strut.



...so no front lift consideration. The difference in 13" 4Runner and 14" FJ Cruiser front springs would be a ride performance consideration.

Unless you change the rear springs, you get zero rear lift, so no rear lift consideration.

As for the struts/shocks in the 4Runner kit and FJ Cruiser kit, I can't imagine the differences being substantial. Others may disagree but consider Bilstein specifies the same Shock/Strut for the 2014 FJ 4WD and 2014 4Runner Trail. See below.

YOUR SEARCH RESULTS FOR 2014 TOYOTA 4RUNNER TRAIL
https://www.bilstein.com/us/en/product-search/?YearId=5937479425307195915&MakeId=5312070796176268499&ModelId=1918173322083608451&SubModelId=2049252182174343295

YOUR SEARCH RESULTS FOR 2014 TOYOTA FJ CRUISER BASE 4WD
https://www.bilstein.com/us/en/product-search/?YearId=5937479425307195915&MakeId=5312070796176268499&ModelId=5969849633293178569&SubModelId=7772828447578431571&DriveId=6510190803011472636

Finally, I am not sure of your generation or model of 4Runner. But if you have KDSS, there are some additional considerations before adding the TRD Suspension kit. Check out this post:
http://www.toyota-4runner.org/5th-gen-t4rs/183732-possible-add-trd-pro-suspension-6.html#post2281025

Im afraid you may have misunderstood my quoted post. You WILL gain a 1" front lift with this kit out of the box. My all-caps alert is that if you order the Dobinson (or similar) 1" TRD PRO compatible lift springs thinking you'll get ANOTHER 1" in the front, that is simply not the case. The Dobinson 1" TRD PRO lift springs are essentially the same height as the FJ coils (14") that the kit comes with but you will still realize the 1" lift out-of-the-box in comparison to a stock non-Pro setup.

 

[NorCal TRD OR]

NorCal TRD OR - I had the same questions as you. I'm not looking for anything more than 1" of front lift. I don't run oversized tires. I just (finally) pulled the trigger on the Bilstein TRD Pro suspension kit, PTR13-35140. Won't know if there is still units available till tomorrow.

If you read the entire thread, you will see that there are differences with the spring height on the 4Runner TRD suspension kits AND the FJ Cruiser TRD Suspension kits. The FJ Cruiser kits have a taller spring but the spring mounts lower on the strut.



...so no front lift consideration. The difference in 13" 4Runner and 14" FJ Cruiser front springs would be a ride performance consideration.

Unless you change the rear springs, you get zero rear lift, so no rear lift consideration.

As for the struts/shocks in the 4Runner kit and FJ Cruiser kit, I can't imagine the differences being substantial. Others may disagree but consider Bilstein specifies the same Shock/Strut for the 2014 FJ 4WD and 2014 4Runner Trail. See below.

YOUR SEARCH RESULTS FOR 2014 TOYOTA 4RUNNER TRAIL
https://www.bilstein.com/us/en/product-search/?YearId=5937479425307195915&MakeId=5312070796176268499&ModelId=1918173322083608451&SubModelId=2049252182174343295

YOUR SEARCH RESULTS FOR 2014 TOYOTA FJ CRUISER BASE 4WD
https://www.bilstein.com/us/en/product-search/?YearId=5937479425307195915&MakeId=5312070796176268499&ModelId=5969849633293178569&SubModelId=7772828447578431571&DriveId=6510190803011472636

Finally, I am not sure of your generation or model of 4Runner. But if you have KDSS, there are some additional considerations before adding the TRD Suspension kit. Check out this post:
http://www.toyota-4runner.org/5th-gen-t4rs/183732-possible-add-trd-pro-suspension-6.html#post2281025

Thanks for the info. I have a 2017 TRD Off Road with KDSS. From this quote in the linked thread, it sounds like lifting it in the front with this kit (or any other kit) is a bad idea.

“The reason that Toyota does not offer a lift with KDSS and it is not advised to lift a vehicle with is the same reason it's not advisable to lift a truck with stock shocks. The KDSS cylinders have a predetermined stroke in and out when you lift the vehicle you move that stroke near the top so you have less down travel it's like putting on a lift kit or a long travel kit but leaving the stock shocks. You will hear the KDSS cylinders bottom and top out like a shock would when you reach their limits. And Toyotas design is for the shock to limit down travel not the KDSS cylinders so there's another durability issue.”

 

[mgproudfit]

Thanks for the info. I have a 2017 TRD Off Road with KDSS. From this quote in the linked thread, it sounds like lifting it in the front with this kit (or any other kit) is a bad idea.

“The reason that Toyota does not offer a lift with KDSS and it is not advised to lift a vehicle with is the same reason it's not advisable to lift a truck with stock shocks. The KDSS cylinders have a predetermined stroke in and out when you lift the vehicle you move that stroke near the top so you have less down travel it's like putting on a lift kit or a long travel kit but leaving the stock shocks. You will hear the KDSS cylinders bottom and top out like a shock would when you reach their limits. And Toyotas design is for the shock to limit down travel not the KDSS cylinders so there's another durability issue.”

This isn't really the case. Plenty of people have successfully lifted their 4R's with KDSS.

 

[Spungus]

This isn't really the case. Plenty of people have successfully lifted their 4R's with KDSS.

Truth. Case in point:


2013 Trail with the trd pro bilstein upgrade. I have a trd pro and IMO this did a little better than mine because of the KDSS.

 

[JimPA]

Im afraid you may have misunderstood my quoted post. You WILL gain a 1" front lift with this kit out of the box. My all-caps alert is that if you order the Dobinson (or similar) 1" TRD PRO compatible lift springs thinking you'll get ANOTHER 1" in the front, that is simply not the case. The Dobinson 1" TRD PRO lift springs are essentially the same height as the FJ coils (14") that the kit comes with but you will still realize the 1" lift out-of-the-box in comparison to a stock non-Pro setup.

mgproudfit - I was comparing the PTR13-89160 VS PTR13-35140:

PTR13-89160
This part fits the following vehicles:
Toyota: 4Runner 2010 - 2017
Toyota: FJ Cruiser 2010 - 2014

PTR13-35140
Application:
Toyota: FJ Cruiser 2007 - 2014

Your post made the point perfectly that both the PTR13-89160 and PTR13-35140 will provide the same lift but use different length springs. I wasn't clear with my post. Thanks for your original post. I was not grasping how a [Akkording] 3"x13" 550# (4Runner spec) and 3"x14" 600#(FJ/tacoma pro spec) springs could provide the same lift till your original post.

 

[JimPA]

Thanks for the info. I have a 2017 TRD Off Road with KDSS. From this quote in the linked thread, it sounds like lifting it in the front with this kit (or any other kit) is a bad idea.

“The reason that Toyota does not offer a lift with KDSS and it is not advised to lift a vehicle with is the same reason it's not advisable to lift a truck with stock shocks. The KDSS cylinders have a predetermined stroke in and out when you lift the vehicle you move that stroke near the top so you have less down travel it's like putting on a lift kit or a long travel kit but leaving the stock shocks. You will hear the KDSS cylinders bottom and top out like a shock would when you reach their limits. And Toyotas design is for the shock to limit down travel not the KDSS cylinders so there's another durability issue.”

I tried to link directly to BarDev post that had screen captures showing Toyota.com let him add PTR13-89160 to a 4Runner with KDSS. I also tried to show that the differences between PTR13-89160 and PTR13-35140 may not be as much as I originally thought. I have a 2014 with KDSS and I ordered PTR13-35140.

 

[0verland3r]

I installed this suspension a few weeks ago. Accomplished everything that I wanted it to.

After alignment, I've noticed that I can feel a lot more of the small cracks in the road in the pedals and floor board. Large bumps and dips are absorbed perfectly, just the little stuff makes it feel like something is loose. Nothing is, as I've gone back through and checked. And there are no noises that go with it. Just has an odd feeling. Has anyone else noticed this too?

 

[MemBrain]

Late to the game, but do these happen to still be in stock anywhere for the prices mentioned? as reference, i'm located in Orange County, CA.

 

[TodiN]

Late to the game, but do these happen to still be in stock anywhere for the prices mentioned? as reference, i'm located in Orange County, CA.

It depends what do you mean by prices mentioned. There is a full range of prices on the internet: https://goo.gl/ZUZb4x

I got it last week from: https://www.toyotapartsdeal.com/oem/toyota~trd~fj~shock~absorbs~ptr13-35140.html

 

[MemBrain]

Place in NJ looks to have them

Just order from DCH Brunswick and total with shipping to CA was $568. Is there anything else I would need for my 2010?

 

[Akkording]

I installed this suspension a few weeks ago. Accomplished everything that I wanted it to.

After alignment, I've noticed that I can feel a lot more of the small cracks in the road in the pedals and floor board. Large bumps and dips are absorbed perfectly, just the little stuff makes it feel like something is loose. Nothing is, as I've gone back through and checked. And there are no noises that go with it. Just has an odd feeling. Has anyone else noticed this too?

I experienced what you are referring to. It could be just the dampening of the front suspension being a little more sensitive in the overall ride feel. I dont really mind it but it does feel good floating over large dips and bumps which is what I would prefer.

 

[0verland3r]

I experienced what you are referring to. It could be just the dampening of the front suspension being a little more sensitive in the overall ride feel. I dont really mind it but it does feel good floating over large dips and bumps which is what I would prefer.

Glad to know I'm not going crazy. I'm assuming that after alignment they pushed the caster more forward so it's more pronounced than it was before aligning. The suspension is considerably better than what was stock on my SR5, but a little more harsh on initial bump than the Fox suspension on my FJ was. Trying hard to not compare the two though. I've been really happy with this setup so far though. Just need to get used to some of the quarks. May mess with tire pressure to see if I can subdue it a bit.

 

[JimPA]

0verland3r - Saker's reply to Diablo6 may be of interest to you.

Might want to push that resi as far up as possible to prevent the link from hitting it when the rear wheels get tucked into the wheel well....

Direct link to Diablo6 post.
http://www.toyota-4runner.org/5th-g...on-kit-sale-ptr13-35140-a-18.html#post2930847

Also, you have me a little concerned about ride stiffness. Appears you have KOs. Are you running LT? 265? Thanks.

Akkording - I see you are running 265 Nitto Terra Grappler. Are they P rated? Would you consider describing the ride as stiff?

A LT tire is going to have a stiffer feel because of the thicker, stiffer sidewall, right? Maybe combined with the FJ suspension, the ride is a little more stiff than with P rated tires? I totally understand what this suspension is all about and it will be stiffer. Just don't want to lose any fillings in my teeth. Thanks for any input.

 

[JimPA]

Just order from DCH Brunswick and total with shipping to CA was $568. Is there anything else I would need for my 2010?

Some members don't reuse their top hats. You can see the top hat in pbstriker38 photo. You'll want to at lease inspect your top hat for wear. Some members posted suggestions on where to get new top hats.

http://www.toyota-4runner.org/5th-g...on-kit-sale-ptr13-35140-a-22.html#post2935480

 

[Akkording]

Rockauto.com had the best prices on top hats, even beat amazon prime. I needed an inner tie rod replaced and found a Moog brand for $68 shipped, stealership wanted $225 on back order.
https://www.rockauto.com/en/catalog/toyota,2012,4runner,4.0l+v6,1503708,suspension,strut+mount,7600

 

[0verland3r]

0verland3r - Saker's reply to Diablo6 may be of interest to you.


Direct link to Diablo6 post.
http://www.toyota-4runner.org/5th-g...on-kit-sale-ptr13-35140-a-18.html#post2930847

Also, you have me a little concerned about ride stiffness. Appears you have KOs. Are you running LT? 265? Thanks.

Akkording - I see you are running 265 Nitto Terra Grappler. Are they P rated? Would you consider describing the ride as stiff?

A LT tire is going to have a stiffer feel because of the thicker, stiffer sidewall, right? Maybe combined with the FJ suspension, the ride is a little more stiff than with P rated tires? I totally understand what this suspension is all about and it will be stiffer. Just don't want to lose any fillings in my teeth. Thanks for any input.

Thanks for the info, I'll keep an eye on it.

I wouldn't call the ride too stiff. It's just more so than stock. And a different ride than my old setup on my FJ. The digressive valving is just different than the progressive valving I'm used to. Also my ride is a bit firmer because I am running KO2 in E rating. They are 275/70/17s. Overall I'm very happy with the suspension.