Bud Built Hidden Winch Regrets?

[AZrunner11]

Roller Fairlead

i'm about to put the budbuilt on the front of my 4Runner with an M8000 with Viking synthetic. I have been told that the roller fairlead is the way to go with either steel or synthetic line.

 

[Intruder]

i'm about to put the budbuilt on the front of my 4Runner with an M8000 with Viking synthetic. I have been told that the roller fairlead is the way to go with either steel or synthetic line.

I use a roller fairlead on my synthetic line because of the way the ARB bumper is built. If the winch opening wasn't so recessed I would prefer to use a hawse. You absolutely can use a roller if you want to though.

Check out point 3 at Viking's winchline FAQ

 

[AZrunner11]

Gotcha Intruder.....thanks

 

[Jeremy556]

I have been told that the roller fairlead is the way to go with either steel or synthetic line.

Did you happen to get any reasoning behind that? Rollers work fine with synthetic, but I'm racking my brain trying to see an advantage to them.

 

[Jeremy556]

Synthetic is the way to go. 19 pound weight saving is worth it, alone.

It's easier to handle (no splinters), floats, safer, and doesn't rust. Down sides are more frequent replacement, abrasion, and possible heat damage from the drum. All of the downsides, except for more frequent replacement, can be avoided by a little knowledge, common sense, and taking your time.

 

[Rubberdown]

How big have all of you gone on your winches? I was looking at the warn 9500s. I was pointed to those by several different folks over the 8000s. I was actually looking to see if a 9500cti would fit with the bud built bracket.

 

[Intruder]

How big have all of you gone on your winches? I was looking at the warn 9500s. I was pointed to those by several different folks over the 8000s. I was actually looking to see if a 9500cti would fit with the bud built bracket.

Are you just asking in terms of what will fit in the hidden mount or what pull rating to use? The rule of thumb I've always been told for pull rating is 1.5 x gross vehicle weight - not necessarily GVWR, just the weight of your truck and all the crap you normally have it loaded up with.

 

[Rubberdown]

I'm actually asking both questions. Our trucks weigh like 4200 empty right? So a full tank of gas and my fishing gear along with some mods to the car lets say 4500 or 4600 pounds. So 1.5 x 4600 is..... 2300 +4600 is...... Didn't pass math. Ok 6900 pounds. So an 8000 is more than adequate.

As far as the hidden mount, what's the biggest winch that will take?

Ok thanks!

 

[Intruder]

I'm actually asking both questions. Our trucks weigh like 4200 empty right? So a full tank of gas and my fishing gear along with some mods to the car lets say 4500 or 4600 pounds. So 1.5 x 4600 is..... 2300 +4600 is...... Didn't pass math. Ok 6900 pounds. So an 8000 is more than adequate.

As far as the hidden mount, what's the biggest winch that will take?

Ok thanks!

4655 lbs for an empty SR5 according to the Toyota website. A Limited or TE is probably going to weigh a bit more. Best thing to do is load your truck with all your gear, dogs, and fishing buddies then go to a scale and weigh it. For the type of wheeling I do I go with the highest pull rating I can fit/afford. Better to have the extra capacity and not need it...

 

[Rubberdown]

So then what is the biggest warn winch that fits on the bud built bracket?

 

[KCcarguy]

It seems like most guys have mounted M8000s in both BB mounts and steel bumpers. I'll likely go with it for that reason. I'd be tempted to try something new like the Engo, but I don't want to tear my bumper off, get the plate mounted, and then find my winch won't fit. Plus the Warn is proven and would be easy to sell if I needed to.

As far as weight goes, some guys have told me 2x vehicle weight and others say 1.5x. I'm just assuming I'm around 5,000lbs with all my add-ons plus a load of gear.

 

[nevada]

4655 lbs for an empty SR5 according to the Toyota website. A Limited or TE is probably going to weigh a bit more. Best thing to do is load your truck with all your gear, dogs, and fishing buddies then go to a scale and weigh it. For the type of wheeling I do I go with the highest pull rating I can fit/afford. Better to have the extra capacity and not need it...

agreed. that's why I recently bumped up to a 10.5. I did lose a tiny bit of speed for that extra pulling power. not too much tho, but it was worth it.

my 8500 pulled my HEAVY truck just fine, and when it was really stuck, we used a snatch block. but I needed another winch anyway, so I figured for the extra $100 or so, the 10.5 was the way to go.

 

[Intruder]

As far as weight goes, some guys have told me 2x vehicle weight and others say 1.5x. I'm just assuming I'm around 5,000lbs with all my add-ons plus a load of gear.

1.5 is the minimum rating according to this guy that I trust knows what he's talking about Aftermarket Accessories, Part II | Bill Burkes 4-Wheeling America

 

[nevada]

yes, 1.5 is the standard rule.

but, even a winch that was rated at the exact weight would work. every winch owner should have at least one snatch block, several would be better.

 

[Bigfoot]

A LOT. I wouldn't recommend it without new springs, at least.

Not to threadjack, but I'm considering this as well and am curious about suggested suspension upgrades to keep the vehicle at roughly stock height.

Just springs? Springs and shocks? Just front or rear at the same time? Any recommended brands/models?

 

[KCcarguy]

1.5 is the minimum rating according to this guy that I trust knows what he's talking about Aftermarket Accessories, Part II | Bill Burkes 4-Wheeling America

^^^^That makes sense and if you're good with it I am too.:cheers:
Anyway....the guy that told me 2x is a Jeep guy that does some pretty hard-core rock crawling type stuff. I would imagine your desired winch rating might depend on the type of wheeling you do (and therefore, the type if trouble you're likely to find).

 

[AirspeedX]

Just go back to winch basics. You don't necessarily need a winch that's going to pull Mars over to Earth. Add some pulleys, and keep most of the line off the spool. Upgrade to synthetic. It all boils down to basic physics.

 

[gshadow325]

Why upgrade to synthetic if you don't even know the basics? Would it be wiser to use a steel cable and get to know how to use a winch first? Then upgrade to synthetic once you got the basics down? I know if I went with a synthetic right from the gate, I would be needing a new one right now since I wrapped my line around a tree and hooked it to pull myself out my first time I got stuck. I didn't know what a tree saver is. I didn't know what ad ring is for.i didn't know what the difference between a tow strap and a recover strap is.

I used a warn vr10000 in both my 4th Gen and my cousins 5th Gen with a bud built hidden winch Mount.

 

[RobDek]

I'm running a Titan TW12 12,000lb winch and Bud Built bracket and there's no sag on my 2013 4Runner TE. The notion that you need to upgrade your suspension for this accessory is absurd....you're just looking for a reason to change out your suspension for whatever reason. Maybe your wife believes the story but not me.

Anyhow...great winch for the money Check out the reviews on other forums about this company and product. Good guy to deal with and quick shipping. I wish he had the synthetic line in stock when I purchased my winch. I'll switch to it once by steel cable gets nasty.

TW12 12,000LB WINCH

 

[eddiebx]

I'm running a Titan TW12 12,000lb winch and Bud Built bracket and there's no sag on my 2013 4Runner TE. The notion that you need to upgrade your suspension for this accessory is absurd....you're just looking for a reason to change out your suspension for whatever reason. Maybe your wife believes the story but not me.

Anyhow...great winch for the money Check out the reviews on other forums about this company and product. Good guy to deal with and quick shipping. I wish he had the synthetic line in stock when I purchased my winch. I'll switch to it once by steel cable gets nasty.

TW12 12,000LB WINCH

Did you actually measure though? Unless that winch you installed defies the laws of gravity, it's going to sag the front end at least a little bit, lol. I'm willing to be you lost ~1/4"-1/2" of static height; though, it's probably not too noticeable to the casual observer though.

Contrary to what you might believe, the notion that you need to upgrade the suspension is very plausible. Think about this, the OEM front suspension is already pretty mushy w/o the extra ~75-100 lbs of weight at the nose; it's certainly not going to handle any better with that extra weight (especially being situated at the extremities of the chassis).

I am not sure if it's just the OEM spring rate or the OEM shocks (or both), but IMO it truly sucks for anything besides a nice comfy ride