Can't get Toyota Red Locally Anymore.

I've been using Subie Long-Life in the white and blue bottle since 2010 because at the time it was chemically the closest I could find to the Toyota red when the local dealership stopped carrying it.

Besides, I find it endlessly amusing to grudgingly oblige the Subie parts guy that insists on year/make/model. For a bottle of emerald green Subaru Long Life coolant? Fine. '96 Toyota 4Runner 3.4 manual trans 4by..... :D
 
So is the general consensus that pink is not a suitable replacement for red? Been reading people saying that pink is causing leaks. The problem with red is that it has a shorter lifespan and the manual calls for 2 year replacement intervals.
 
So is the general consensus that pink is not a suitable replacement for red? Been reading people saying that pink is causing leaks. The problem with red is that it has a shorter lifespan and the manual calls for 2 year replacement intervals.

No, everyone has their own opinion on what works best. Upon reading this thread there's people running red, pink, green, blue, Subaru blue.

Red & Pink is what you'll get from the dealership because that's what Toyota sells. Green is what you'll get from independent shops because it works in more types of vehicles so they all carry it (though plenty will also have pink).

I run pink after the Toyota Red became too pricey for me. Works great.
 
isn't the Toyota pink coolant a 50/50 mix of Toyota Red and distilled water? I've been using Toyota pink since 2004 and have had no leaks.
 
isn't the Toyota pink coolant a 50/50 mix of Toyota Red and distilled water? I've been using Toyota pink since 2004 and have had no leaks.

See my post #11. If you look at the labels you will see they are different formulations.

EDIT: Here are the details:

Toyota Red Long Life ingredients from jug: Ethylene Glycol(107-21-1),Diethylene Glycol(111-46-6) Water(7732-18-5) Organic Acid Salt(532-32-1) Hydrated Inorganic Salt(1310-58-3).




Here are the ingredients from the back of a gallon jug of the Toyota Super Long Life Antifreeze/coolant ( Pink ).
Water (7732-18-5), Ethylene Glycol (107-21-1), Diethylene Glycol (111-46-6), Sebacic Acid (111-20-6), Potassium Hydroxide (1310-58-3).

Toyota Long Life (red fluid) and Super Long Life (pink fluid) are completely different. Super Long Life (pink) contains sebacic acid -- a standard extended-drain-interval organic-acid technology for Asian car makes. Long Life (red) contains benzoate instead -- a more traditional standard-drain-interval corrosion inhibitor found in traditional antifreeze. It also contains phosphates -- preferred by Asian car makers for their instant corrosion-inhibition benefits. It doesn't contain 2-EHA, avoided by Asian car makers because of potential harm on gaskets and seals.

Pink (Super Long Life) fluid is safe for newer Toyotas/Hondas but unsafe for older Toyotas/Hondas that have copper/brass/lead metals (such as OEM heater cores or certain aftermarket radiators) and it shouldn't be used in such older Toyotas/Hondas.

https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/1747873/mechanicx#Post1747873
 
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Damn beautiful state you live in there. I feel that way so much I've been scoping-out potential locations of interest for the family. The more "moderate" climates, which looks to be places like Juneau and Anchorage, and surrounding environs and communities, such as Eagle River. Oh, Sitka too...

I noticed an Air Force Base in the Anchorage area. Maybe if you know someone there, shipping becomes a viable option? Not exactly near you though, as you stated...

This state is beautiful, that is true. Moderate climates (depending on your definition) is the South East. Problem is, no road system. And it's a rain forest. Juneau, no roads out and high cost of living. Housing is high because limited room to expand. Same with Sitka. I lived in Haines for a few years and Loved it. Very hard to make a living though. If you don't have to worry about that, Haines or Skagway is great climate. Mild, upper end of the Southeast, connected to Canada (Road System). Just very small so don't expect to go around the corner and buy everything you need. Many go into Canada to Whitehorse for that.

Central Alaska isn't that bad. When I first moved back we would have about 3 weeks of winter in the -25 to -30 range. I haven't seen that for 7 or 8 years now though. But much of offroading is MUD! Also, still into this time of the year, most trails are advised to stay off of. The ground is still too soft and gets torn up to easily. So while you guys are out enjoying life, we're still on the couch (or hiking and such). I've yet to get out to clean up my yard from the winter. Ground and weather is too wet still.

Don't get me wrong, there are groups around Anchorage who do a lot of winter 4Wheeling. They appear to be pretty good people for the most part. Never met them. Another group in the Interior who have better trails, I believe, and they're pretty good people also.

Here's a perfect example. You look across the country and it looks smooth-ish. How wrong could you be?!?!? Also note, they are going slightly uphill and yet they are in water. The organics don't decay very much and the water can't drain. So you will have water on the side of a hill. And once trail is broke it's mud. I've said it before.. On an 4Wheeler, I've had to winch to get through deep mud... going down a significant hill. LOL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UMqa5MQBvY

Is it all like that? No. Not at all. This is the country I love right here (don't know these guys, I just searched You Tube).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVg-9PJOSOg

But that's the Interior. That's 13 hours away from me (one way). So for me to get to many of the trails that I would love, that's at least 10 hours driving (round trip) of highway time just to get to the head of the trail.

This is the country around Kenai....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uS3WmUKloJ8

If you move to Anchorage area, don't move to Anchorage. Have to move north. But if you go too far north then it gets crappy again. I've been told Peters Creek (just north of Eagle River \ Birchwood) is great. Housing cost a lot but many high ranking military and police live in and around that area. I have a friend who lives there and he feels very safe there.

That is rare these days since Alaska has been ranked one of the highest rated states for crime now. Maybe not Violent Crime, but Property Crime. So, I've been researching about leaving and I've been comparing cites to ones that I know. Many sites say the same thing, but I like this ones format.

Crime for Anchorage - 6042 per 100K people
Anchorage, AK Crime Rates & Statistics

Just for the fun on it, here's Los Angeles - 3193 per 100K People
Los Angeles, CA Crime Rates & Statistics

Just read that this is the first time since the recession of the '80s that more people are leaving then are moving here. And many feel our economy is picking up so, that can't be blamed for sole reason of people leaving.
 
To the OP: Isn't 1.5 gallons of Toyota red more than enough to replace the entire contents of the cooling system, once it's diluted 1:1 with distilled water?

Changing the radiator to an Aluminium Champion. More volume, so I wanted extra to cover that.
 
How long is the Toyota red coolant good for ? Isn’t the long life rated for 100k? Basically the life of a water pump?

Really not sure, but mine isn't old at all. I bet I don't have 10K miles on this current fluid and it's been flushed out several times before that since I've owned this. I'm going to catch it and see how it looks. Maybe strain it through cheesecloth and inspect. Use that to top off my system so I have all Toyota Fluid.
 
I've been using Subie Long-Life in the white and blue bottle since 2010 because at the time it was chemically the closest I could find to the Toyota red when the local dealership stopped carrying it.

Besides, I find it endlessly amusing to grudgingly oblige the Subie parts guy that insists on year/make/model. For a bottle of emerald green Subaru Long Life coolant? Fine. '96 Toyota 4Runner 3.4 manual trans 4by..... :D

That's down right evil. I LOVE IT!! LOL
 
Not sure how prominent they are in Alaska, but Walmart carries 'Valvoline with Zerex', which is the same thing as the 'Zerex by Valvoline' that is carried by Amazon, AutoZone, etc.
I've found, in my unofficial research, it's just a different bottle. Goes for like $11 a gallon, prediluted.
 
Head to your local AutoZone and get PentoFrost A1. it is straight red Toyota coolant.

I happen to be at a shop today picking up my gear oil for my Diff Fluid Change and he happened to be a Toyota guy as well. He was as upset as I was about them not carrying Toyota like they used to. He mentioned the same stuff and assured me it was the same. I asked that if I compared the ingredients of the two when I get home, would they match? He said yes. Well I did and they don't. But I'm not going to worry about it. From what I'm hearing, there isn't any ill effects from topping off from an off brand.

Thanks for all the info and help guys! I won't get to this project on this R&R (waiting on Tranny Fluid) but it should get done on my next one.
 
Head to your local AutoZone and get PentoFrost A1. it is straight red Toyota coolant.
I may be mistaken, and I can't get a clear product picture online, but I'm like 99% sure that the PentoFrost A1 is prediluted, whereas straight Toyota Red isn't. Just something to be aware of.

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I happen to be at a shop today picking up my gear oil for my Diff Fluid Change and he happened to be a Toyota guy as well. He was as upset as I was about them not carrying Toyota like they used to. He mentioned the same stuff and assured me it was the same. I asked that if I compared the ingredients of the two when I get home, would they match? He said yes. Well I did and they don't. But I'm not going to worry about it. From what I'm hearing, there isn't any ill effects from topping off from an off brand.

Thanks for all the info and help guys! I won't get to this project on this R&R (waiting on Tranny Fluid) but it should get done on my next one.

Sorry I guess I shouldn't have said it's it is Toyotas coolant, but rather coolant specifically for our Toyotas.

I drained the red coolant in my 4runner when I did my water pump at 249k and the block looked really good. Been using this stuff and when I pulled the motor at 278k the water jack looked clean enough to eat off of and the aluminum pieces were not corroded which is a tell-tell sign of cheap green coolant. Bottom line: Pentofrost A1 is concentrate and great stuff that is locally available.
 
This state is beautiful, that is true. Moderate climates (depending on your definition) is the South East. Problem is, no road system. And it's a rain forest. Juneau, no roads out and high cost of living. Housing is high because limited room to expand. Same with Sitka. I lived in Haines for a few years and Loved it. Very hard to make a living though. If you don't have to worry about that, Haines or Skagway is great climate. Mild, upper end of the Southeast, connected to Canada (Road System). Just very small so don't expect to go around the corner and buy everything you need. Many go into Canada to Whitehorse for that.

Central Alaska isn't that bad. When I first moved back we would have about 3 weeks of winter in the -25 to -30 range. I haven't seen that for 7 or 8 years now though. But much of offroading is MUD! Also, still into this time of the year, most trails are advised to stay off of. The ground is still too soft and gets torn up to easily. So while you guys are out enjoying life, we're still on the couch (or hiking and such). I've yet to get out to clean up my yard from the winter. Ground and weather is too wet still.

Don't get me wrong, there are groups around Anchorage who do a lot of winter 4Wheeling. They appear to be pretty good people for the most part. Never met them. Another group in the Interior who have better trails, I believe, and they're pretty good people also.

Here's a perfect example. You look across the country and it looks smooth-ish. How wrong could you be?!?!? Also note, they are going slightly uphill and yet they are in water. The organics don't decay very much and the water can't drain. So you will have water on the side of a hill. And once trail is broke it's mud. I've said it before.. On an 4Wheeler, I've had to winch to get through deep mud... going down a significant hill. LOL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UMqa5MQBvY

Is it all like that? No. Not at all. This is the country I love right here (don't know these guys, I just searched You Tube).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVg-9PJOSOg

But that's the Interior. That's 13 hours away from me (one way). So for me to get to many of the trails that I would love, that's at least 10 hours driving (round trip) of highway time just to get to the head of the trail.

This is the country around Kenai....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uS3WmUKloJ8

If you move to Anchorage area, don't move to Anchorage. Have to move north. But if you go too far north then it gets crappy again. I've been told Peters Creek (just north of Eagle River \ Birchwood) is great. Housing cost a lot but many high ranking military and police live in and around that area. I have a friend who lives there and he feels very safe there.

That is rare these days since Alaska has been ranked one of the highest rated states for crime now. Maybe not Violent Crime, but Property Crime. So, I've been researching about leaving and I've been comparing cites to ones that I know. Many sites say the same thing, but I like this ones format.

Crime for Anchorage - 6042 per 100K people
Anchorage, AK Crime Rates & Statistics

Just for the fun on it, here's Los Angeles - 3193 per 100K People
Los Angeles, CA Crime Rates & Statistics

Just read that this is the first time since the recession of the '80s that more people are leaving then are moving here. And many feel our economy is picking up so, that can't be blamed for sole reason of people leaving.

That was beyond helpful! Wow.

I work from home, and my employer allows that to be anywhere I hang my hat basically, so long as I have a decent internet connection and a phone. Your insight has been invaluable. Will research Peters Creek, as well as Haines and Skagway. Peters Creek looks to be within one hour from an international airport, which is one of our requirements...

Sorry to take your thread off course. Again, a big thank you.
 
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