End of the line for T4R?

[Canazes9]

Cool down. Did I say that I believed it? I asked if anybody else has heard anything about this. Thought that was one of the purposes of a forum. I will be sure to run any future posts by you for your stamp of approval.

BTW Thanks for the wise proverb. But since hearsay and rumour are substantially the same thing, I guess you were unsuccessfully searching for a period.

[MENTION=66316]1engineer[/MENTION] just likes to make sure that misinformation isn't turning up on his, err, I mean the internet from T4R.Org - that and a very dry sense of humor....

David

 

[dekeman]

I would be surprised if a salesman even knew what BOF is!

Best of Friends. Unibody is a chick who's not fat.

 

[1000MPH]

Only the ones made in Texas are being discontinued...because of the tsunami.:surfer:

 

[lilsid112]

You should've let him know that his job was going to be phased out for lying to customers.

 

[Curt Sauve]

I was working out pricing for rustproofing/ECP at my Toyota dealership when the manager poked his head in and said, "You got one of the last ones...should really hold its value now"

He said that he spoke with a senior engineer at Toyota and they have no plans to roll out the T4R beyond the 5.5 generation. He said that both the 4Runner and Sequoia will be phased out because of slumping sales. He wasn't sure if it was global, or just North America.

Have any of you heard anything like this? Maybe its just salesman speak...

In any case - I'm glad to 'almost' get my hands on one.

What is ECP? And why would you buy rustproofing for a vehicle that has a 100,000 mile rust through warranty?

 

[PGRunner]

^ ECP=Extra Care Protection=Waste of $$$ since its a Toyota

 

[TheRainMan]

What is ECP? And why would you buy rustproofing for a vehicle that has a 100,000 mile rust through warranty?

2 reasons.

1. The warranty is only for "rust perforation" - and is limited to areas of perforation outside of seams. In other words, the warranty is only enforceable for a perforation (hole) in the centre of a body panel. It almost never happens. Have you ever tried a warranty claim on this?

2. The amount of salt used in our roads in Toronto is absurd. When I lived in the prairies - nobody would ever buy a used vehicle that came from Toronto or Montreal. Rust is a huge issue.

 

[TheRainMan]

^ ECP=Extra Care Protection=Waste of $$$ since its a Toyota

Your opinion. This is my 5th Toyota and I've had issues with 3 of them. I had it on my 2006 Rav4 (which I'm trading in) and paid for itself several times over. On my T4R I got 7 years 200,000 for $2K (negotiated down). Not much has to go wrong to pay itself back.

 

[Orc]

with all these people with leaking shocks why not get it. Any small issue can turn into a large bill with these new more advanced autos. I plan on getting the extended when I'm ready to buy.

 

[Curt Sauve]

2 reasons.

1. The warranty is only for "rust perforation" - and is limited to areas of perforation outside of seams. In other words, the warranty is only enforceable for a perforation (hole) in the centre of a body panel. It almost never happens. Have you ever tried a warranty claim on this?

2. The amount of salt used in our roads in Toronto is absurd. When I lived in the prairies - nobody would ever buy a used vehicle that came from Toronto or Montreal. Rust is a huge issue.

We have alot of salt on the roads here as well, and I use my truck pretty hard. I've never bought any of that overpriced dealer add on crap, I've found it alot more convenient to just trade every 3 years just before the warranty expires, and let the next owner worry about it. I've reached a point in my life where rust, leaky shocks and bald tires are just things that I don't want to have deal with.

 

[TheRainMan]

We have alot of salt on the roads here as well, and I use my truck pretty hard. I've never bought any of that overpriced dealer add on crap, I've found it alot more convenient to just trade every 3 years just before the warranty expires, and let the next owner worry about it. I've reached a point in my life where rust, leaky shocks and bald tires are just things that I don't want to have deal with.

Now your earlier comment makes sense. I tend to keep vehicles until the odometer ticks to 200,000. Around here, your resale value is higher w rustproofing. $300 well invested in my opinion - plus the sound dampening is an added bonus.

 

[RonMAIDEN]

Since the intro to the 5th gen each year it's sold about 5x what the '09 4th gen sold so it's hard to imagine Toyota getting rid of its iconic vehicle.

 

[dekeman]

Rainman is not exaggerating about salt - our roads are literally (or is that littered?) white for several months — I have driven over mounds of it piled at intersections. And because it can be -10 to -20 for weeks, washing it off is not always feasible - it's back as soon as you leave the washer. There so much it tracks into our house. The City of Toronto is the largest municipal user of road salts in Canada, using an average of 135,000 tonnes of road salts per year on 5300 km of roads and 7100 km of sidewalks. Province wide, it's about 600,000 tonnes.

No wonder Americans love our salty bacon!

And $1,000 for extended warranty is cheap insurance and plenty of peace of mind, especially for those of us with a lot of motorized things that are always in need of something.

 

[phillyd2]

Here http://www.toyota-4runner.org/5th-gen-t4rs/158972-2010-2013-5th-gen-sales-month.html#post1584496 are the numbers. Judge for yourself.

There is no doubt that the platform itself is going nowhere as it remains the gold standard around the world.

Question remains what will happen with the N. American market and if the posted sales numbers are good or bad for Toyota. They seem good to me but maybe not to them.

Although I would guess with the FJ gone maybe the numbers would increase but maybe it really is a different market and future possible FJ owners would move to something else.

 

[PGRunner]

Your opinion. This is my 5th Toyota and I've had issues with 3 of them. I had it on my 2006 Rav4 (which I'm trading in) and paid for itself several times over. On my T4R I got 7 years 200,000 for $2K (negotiated down). Not much has to go wrong to pay itself back.

True...Maybe I have been lucky with all the vehicles I have bought?? Also, I just don't keep my vehicles long either. The longest being an 04 Sequoia that I kept til 08. After that I had an Altima for 2 years, an A5 for 1.5 years, and currently the 4R that I have had for 2.5 years. My in-laws have a 2000 4R with 150k miles on it with no serious problems other than the usual maintenance that goes along with a vehicle with that many miles.

 

[STLDAVE]

Toyota Has No Plans to Discontinue its Truck-Based SUVS (The Torque Report)

This article was sourced from AUTOMOTIVE NEWS (7/29/13). Read the full article here:

http://www.autonews.com/apps/pbcs.d...e-king-but-toyota-wont-dump-truck-based-suvs#

THE TORQUE REPORT omitted the part of the story that could spell the end for the 4R,

"...If there were a candidate for being culled from the lineup, it would be the FJ Cruiser, which was never meant to be more than a one-generation vehicle, said Bill Fay, Toyota Division general manager.

"The FJ Cruiser, launched in spring 2006, shares underpinnings with the 4Runner but serves a more hard-core off-road buyer. As long as there is demand, Toyota will keep selling the FJ, he said..."

And the FJ is already on its way out. IF demand for the 4R falls, it will go to.

It's Business 101.

 

[gringo]

"The Rumors of My Death Have Been Greatly Exaggerated."
-Toyota 4Runner

 

[Orc]

Sucks to see the FJ go. I will not be ready to buy for a few years and that takes the FJ off the table. Im more interested in the T4R though anyways.

If they will scrap the FJ maybe it will be replaced in a few years when they figure out more MPG for the cafe regulations.

 

[03_4x4Runner]

Since the intro to the 5th gen each year it's sold about 5x what the '09 4th gen sold so it's hard to imagine Toyota getting rid of its iconic vehicle.

This is not a good comparison. 09 production ended early to get the 5th gen lines set up. 2009 was the time when the economy was in the dumps and GM and Chrysler went bankrupt, all auto sales were down. Also lot of people put on buying an 09 figuring they would wait for the 5th gen.

 

[Lolrax]

I am starting to get concerned about the future of the Sequoia though. The new Tundra came with no mention about the Sequoia at all! It's just as old as the last Tundra. What's happening?!