Engine cranks 3 times too long
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Singtoe
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Put a Tundra motor in it. :banana:
Gerdo
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I would but then I would either have to adjust my front COs or get heaver coils. That sounds like too much work.
Singtoe
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On a serious note. I am puzzled why it takes so long. I don't think it is a fuel pump issue. Sure , buy one, and put it in but what happens if it doesn't fix the problem.
The pump probably cost $175 and then you have to go through the hassle of changing it out. Dropping the skid plate, break some mounting bolts, drop the tank, change the pump re install and fix the broken skid plate bolts. Don't forget to replace the filter too.
It might have fixed the problem or it might have not.
I think I will continue to deal with the long crank then have to change a working fuel pump. Now if the fuel pump was conking out when the tank was low or going around turns, or if the fuel gauge wasn't working, I would change the pump out.
The pump probably cost $175 and then you have to go through the hassle of changing it out. Dropping the skid plate, break some mounting bolts, drop the tank, change the pump re install and fix the broken skid plate bolts. Don't forget to replace the filter too.
It might have fixed the problem or it might have not.
I think I will continue to deal with the long crank then have to change a working fuel pump. Now if the fuel pump was conking out when the tank was low or going around turns, or if the fuel gauge wasn't working, I would change the pump out.
cj80cruiser
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On an older thread I started someone said something about it not being good to start your engine lean like that so often. Here's the post
Besides that, the only other thing I can think of it'll wear your starter out quicker.
to me, when i start the engine while it's warm/hot, it almost sounds like the motor is either too lean or too rich. Like i mentioned before, mine either cranks too much or too little....never a perfect start when it's warm.
When it's too lean, the engine will take longer to turn over....when it's rich, it'll start up after the first crank....
When it's too lean, the engine will take longer to turn over....when it's rich, it'll start up after the first crank....
Singtoe
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Judging by my fuel economy, It is not running lean.
If the 4runner was running lean, the ECM would detect via O2 sensor and open injectors for more gas.
Also, if the truck was running lean, the engine temps would be higher then normal.
Will the starter wear out. Sure anything will wear out, will the few extra revolutions of the starter shorten its life. Probably, but what would say that it wouldn't have crapped out regardless. When is the expiration date of a starter. 10,000 starts, 5,000 starts. Who knows.
It is like smoking cigarettes. Will smoking one cigarette shorten your life by 1 minute?
cj80cruiser
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I agree, I only wanted to state the possible negatives of not fixing the problem. My original starter lasted 95k miles so if I have to replace the contacts again within the next 2.5 years 47k miles then thats not a big deal. But I'm still hoping someone can figure out this problem because 5 years 95K miles sounds better.
As far as running lean, I don't believe attitudeofgratitud meant it would run lean, only that it would start lean. To be honest, I have no idea if that's bad or not and never thought about it before so I can't debate the theory at all. I trust your judgement and if you say it's not a problem having a long start then so be it.
awdjunkies
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I think, if it was the vapor canister purge solenoid? wouldn't it be harder to pump fuel at the gas station, as it would stop from time to time?
theizzardking
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this sucks man, sorry your having such a hard time with this, any chance you got a fuel line sitting on an exhaust or header or any other hot piece of metal?
sounds like after you get to operating temp let it semi-cool cycle a bit of fuel through the motor and try again it fires right up, as if you have some hot fuel in the lines some where and "Crank for a couple of seconds, allow it to sit a few seconds and crank again" clears that through the system.
may just check to see where they are sitting, another issue i've heard about is the Circuit Open Relay gets corroded and can cause this as well, heck i've even heard of these symptoms happening in the starter it's self when the contacts become to hot.
my top 2 suggestions check fuel lines and the COR (if we have on this truck lol)
Shawn5800
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READ THIS!...
I was having the same issues as all of you guys. Loooong cranks when it was cold. I actually had to adjust my remote starter to make up for the time it took to crank the engine over. But the starter was working fine! It turned the engine over perfect and strong.
I figured maybe ill try replacing the fuel filter, seeing as a clogged one could cause slower fuel travel times. I let my truck sit for about an hour or so until it cooled down to where i know it would take a long time to crank again.
Pulled the fuel filter off, connected a rubber line to the fuel filters feeding side, ran it to a 5 gallon bucket and had my dad crank it over. After timing it on a watch we found that the fuel took about 3-4 seconds of cranking until it was flowing smoothly out of the hose. That is obviously a fairly long time when it comes to fuel delivery.
The next weekend, i had the fuel pump done in my truck. The long cranking times are GONE! To test this i loosened up my feed side of the FF again and hooked the hose up. Cold start i saw fuel in the bucket within 1-1.5 seconds. Much better!
Besides the long cranking times i also had the occasional fuel pump whine which usual means its starting to go.
Hopefully this helps you all!
I was having the same issues as all of you guys. Loooong cranks when it was cold. I actually had to adjust my remote starter to make up for the time it took to crank the engine over. But the starter was working fine! It turned the engine over perfect and strong.
I figured maybe ill try replacing the fuel filter, seeing as a clogged one could cause slower fuel travel times. I let my truck sit for about an hour or so until it cooled down to where i know it would take a long time to crank again.
Pulled the fuel filter off, connected a rubber line to the fuel filters feeding side, ran it to a 5 gallon bucket and had my dad crank it over. After timing it on a watch we found that the fuel took about 3-4 seconds of cranking until it was flowing smoothly out of the hose. That is obviously a fairly long time when it comes to fuel delivery.
The next weekend, i had the fuel pump done in my truck. The long cranking times are GONE! To test this i loosened up my feed side of the FF again and hooked the hose up. Cold start i saw fuel in the bucket within 1-1.5 seconds. Much better!
Besides the long cranking times i also had the occasional fuel pump whine which usual means its starting to go.
Hopefully this helps you all!
Gerdo
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Good info and a fairly easy test.
LittleCaesar
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When someone does this, take some pics. It will make for a good DIY thread. Never thought to do such, or at least suggest it.
Gerdo
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I haven't had time to try the fuel filter/flow test yet but I have had a CEL a couple of times now P0505.
Potential causes of an P0505 code include:
IAC motor connector is damaged (check connector and pins for damage, and moisture)
One or more IAC circuits open or shorted to ground
One or more IAC circuits are shorted to voltage
IAC has failed
PCM has failed
Potential causes of an P0505 code include:
IAC motor connector is damaged (check connector and pins for damage, and moisture)
One or more IAC circuits open or shorted to ground
One or more IAC circuits are shorted to voltage
IAC has failed
PCM has failed
Baja Runner
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Gerdo
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when was the last time you pulled the iacv and cleaned the crap out of all of it?
never!
Gerdo
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When was the last time you pulled the IACV and cleaned the crap out of all of it?
I pulled my IAC and cleaned the crap out of it. I also did the battery check and the resistance check and everything checks out fine with it.
Still having the same issue.
I still need to do the fuel into a bucket test. It's cold out and I need an assistant to do it.
