Engine replacement: Used, JDM, or Remanufactured?

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Well, the title says it.
I have a very clean 2000 Limited that I've put love into to build the way I want it. With 265K on the clock, I now have cylinder damage on 3 and need to replac.. I like my T4R and plan to keep it.
What would you do and why? My choices are:
1. Used and running engine with 114K, but unknown history. 2yr warranty
2. JDM swap. 90 day warranty
3. Remanufacured. 3 yr/36K warranty
4. Rebuild mine.
I am fairly competent, but due to available space and time right now, I'll have my shop do the work. Labor will be about the same. Used is least expensive and reman is the most.
Any help or experience is appreciated
 
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With 114k miles I’d think about buying the used engine and replace the head gaskets and timing belt and Check the valve lash.

Do you know the compression of the used engine?


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With 114k miles I’d think about buying the used engine and replace the head gaskets and timing belt and Check the valve lash.

Do you know the compression of the used engine?


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The condition and history are unknown, but it apparently was run for 30min before being removed from the donor.
 
Well, the title says it.
I have a very clean 2000 Limited that I've put love into to build the way I want it. With 265K on the clock, I now have cylinder damage on 3 and need to replac.. I like my T4R and plan to keep it.
What would you do and why? My choices are:
1. Used and running engine with 114K, but unknown history. 2yr warranty
2. JDM swap. 90 day warranty
3. Remanufacured. 3 yr/36K warranty
4. Rebuild mine.
I am fairly competent, but due to available space and time right now, I'll have my shop do the work. Labor will be about the same. Used is least expensive and reman is the most.
Any help or experience is appreciated

What do you mean by cylinder damage?
 
I should say first that I trust my mechanic. He's done work for me for years and has always been honest and even deferred repairs he knows I am capable of myself. I don't know the full extent yet (later today) but he did a leakdown and compression test and there is very little compression in cylinder 3, ring damage and Ibelieve he said cylinder head damage. With 265K and a truck I plan to keep, I am not looking for a quick-fix bandaid only to have more issues in the middle of winter far from the pavement either. Also, it is my daily, but can drive my daughter's car for now.
 
I should say first that I trust my mechanic. He's done work for me for years and has always been honest and even deferred repairs he knows I am capable of myself. I don't know the full extent yet (later today) but he did a leakdown and compression test and there is very little compression in cylinder 3, ring damage and Ibelieve he said cylinder head damage. With 265K and a truck I plan to keep, I am not looking for a quick-fix bandaid only to have more issues in the middle of winter far from the pavement either. Also, it is my daily, but can drive my daughter's car for now.
It's uncommon to have bad rings and head damage. Even more suspicious if the head wasn't removed to inspect for damage. Borescopes can see some damage, but it's not nearly as good as a visual inspection with the head off. It might be worth getting a second opinion if you have the time and money to spare for another mechanic to look at it. If you are mechanically inclined you can do a compression and leak down test yourself.

If I had to choose between the used, jdm, and reman I would choose the reman. If you are on a budget then I would recommend the used engine. Keep in mind with a jdm engine a lot of components will need to be changed over from your old engine. Are you planning on doing the repairs yourself?

EDIT: If you plan on doing it yourself there are youtube videos and writeups on replacing the engine. Mtbtim will probably post here shortly promoting his youtube videos on the procedure.
 
In my opinion anything besides a remand engine is going to be a gamble. I’ve heard stories (not sure if they’re true) about how a jdm motor is ran for all 60k miles with very little maintenance done, even down to no oil changes since they’ll have to be swapping the motor out eventually anyways. I’ve been daydreaming about getting a new engine lately so I’ve been doing some research on it, and I would recommend saving up and go remand if it’s within your budget. In my opinion the peace of mind alone is worth the extra $$$ (+ having a warranty) if you’re planning on keeping your 4runner for a long time. Plus a jdm or used engine might as well have seals replaced and other maintenance done while the engine is out, and that just gets it closer to the cost of a remand engine where you wouldn’t need to do any of that.
 
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I might consider the prices of all of the options you presented and go from there.

I'd say a JDM swap sounds awesome but I think that most folks who've done a swap like that have ultimately had to do a LOT more work than just take one engine out and put another in due to incompatibility.

I'd take a look at a variety of other outlets such as craigslist/offerup for a wrecked T4R that is running and move that over and sell the rest for scrap and not worry about a warranty AND slowly rebuild your original engine.

(found a frame/suspension/engine near me around Tacoma, WA)
 
It's uncommon to have bad rings and head damage. Even more suspicious if the head wasn't removed to inspect for damage. Borescopes can see some damage, but it's not nearly as good as a visual inspection with the head off. It might be worth getting a second opinion if you have the time and money to spare for another mechanic to look at it. If you are mechanically inclined you can do a compression and leak down test yourself.

If I had to choose between the used, jdm, and reman I would choose the reman. If you are on a budget then I would recommend the used engine. Keep in mind with a jdm engine a lot of components will need to be changed over from your old engine. Are you planning on doing the repairs yourself?

EDIT: If you plan on doing it yourself there are youtube videos and writeups on replacing the engine. Mtbtim will probably post here shortly promoting his youtube videos on the procedure.

With a leak down test, a mechanic can narrow down the source of the leak from the cylinder by listening where the air is escaping. You could be losing compression through a bad intake or exhaust valve or valve seat. You could be losing compression past bad piston rings. You could be losing compression via a bad head gasket or cracked head.

But, [MENTION=319302]Bad Luck[/MENTION] is still giving good advice. I'd either perform my own leak down test or get a second opinion on where you're losing your compression.

It's pretty conclusive in some instances to know where you're losing compression. If you hear air from the exhaust, you're losing compression past a burnt exhaust valve or valve seat. If you hear air in the area of the intake (ex: throttle body), you're losing compression past a burnt intake valve or valve seat. If you see bubbles coming up into the top of your radiator, you either have a bad head gasket or a cracked head.

Where it gets tricky is when you hear the air escaping into the crank case. It could be getting past bad piston rings but it also could be a bad head gasket. When a head gasket fails, it's not only between the cylinder and a coolant jacket. It could have failed between the cylinder and an oil gallery. So, I'm assuming your mechanic heard air escaping into the crank case and made the assumption it's bad piston rings. My bet is your piston rings are fine and it's a head gasket issue.

No, I won't be "Promoting" my 5VZ-FE Engine Replacement series here because it sounds like the OP isn't going to swap his own engine. But, I will "Promote" my Engine Cylinder Leak Down Test video so the OP better understands the process and then can go back to the mechanic to listen to the guy's explanation of how he determined it was bad piston rings. You know, one could say I'm "Sharing" my videos to "Help". So yes, by "Sharing" my videos to "Help" people, I guess I'm promoting people to watch them.

For the decision on which way to go if you're going to replace the engine, it depends on how much money you want to spend and how long you plan on keeping the vehicle. I would never put a JDM or used engine in one of my rigs because you just don't know what you're getting. They can say the engine only has 60k on it but how do you know they're telling the truth? The answer is you don't know and it's a huge crap shoot for you especially if you're going to be paying for the swap. That's a huge labor expense to find out you got a piece of shit engine.

My recommendation is to buy a remanned engine from a reputable shop and there's none better in my opinion than Yota1 Performance in Riverbank, California. I know this shop intimately and they do great work. Because they build great engines and they are in demand, the lead time is around 5-6 months now. Yota1 Performance Engine & Machine - Your Toyota needs all in one place!

Good luck OP.


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No, I won't be "Promoting" my 5VZ-FE Engine Replacement series here because it sounds like the OP isn't going to swap his own engine. But, I will "Promote" my Engine Cylinder Leak Down Test video so the OP better understands the process and then can go back to the mechanic to listen to the guy's explanation of how he determined it was bad piston rings. You know, one could say I'm "Sharing" my videos to "Help". So yes, by "Sharing" my videos to "Help" people, I guess I'm promoting people to watch them.

Did my choice of the word "promote" offend you? Are you not recommending your youtube video (a product) to the OP (a consumer)? Is that not promoting your video? It's a helpful video as are most of your videos (I didn't watch any of your death valley videos or rig walk arounds). I don't see how "promoting" and "helping" aren't true at the same time in this situation. You are helping the OP by promoting one of your youtube videos. :shrug:
 
Did my choice of the word "promote" offend you? Are you not recommending your youtube video (a product) to the OP (a consumer)? Is that not promoting your video? It's a helpful video as are most of your videos (I didn't watch any of your death valley videos or rig walk arounds). I don't see how "promoting" and "helping" aren't true at the same time in this situation. You are helping the OP by promoting one of your youtube videos. :shrug:

Yeah Bro, it's your choice of words that rubs me the wrong way. It seems you have me pegged as someone who's primary motivation is self-promotion and not to help people. Some might not take notice in your word choice, because it's subtle, but I didn't just fall off the turnip truck and I know the difference in your word choice.

My primary motivation to contribute to this forum and others has always been to help people. I help people from the knowledge base I've racked up over the years and that knowledge base has come mainly from me making videos. Quite often, the best way I can help someone is by linking one of my videos for the subject matter at hand.

So yeah, I promote my videos in the desire to help people.

This subtle dig is similar to our other recent butting of heads where you stated there's a difference between helping people not expecting anything in return and helping people and expecting something even if it's just for a like, thumbs up or a comment. Yeah, so I'm not as holy as others who expect nothing for their good deeds. I don't know how many people fit this "Holier than thou" mold you have proclaimed you fit into, but most people like some acknowledgement for the good deeds they perform and it doesn't have to be anything crazy. A sincere thanks goes a long way. These days, if someone took the time to give a post a like, that's something and means you most likely made a difference.

So, sorry for my selfish ways. I like feedback to know I'm making a difference. It helps me motivate to spend some of my free time on here helping people.
 
Yeah Bro, it's your choice of words that rubs me the wrong way. It seems you have me pegged as someone who's primary motivation is self-promotion and not to help people. Some might not take notice in your word choice, because it's subtle, but I didn't just fall off the turnip truck and I know the difference in your word choice.

My primary motivation to contribute to this forum and others has always been to help people. I help people from the knowledge base I've racked up over the years and that knowledge base has come mainly from me making videos. Quite often, the best way I can help someone is by linking one of my videos for the subject matter at hand.

So yeah, I promote my videos in the desire to help people.

This subtle dig is similar to our other recent butting of heads where you stated there's a difference between helping people not expecting anything in return and helping people and expecting something even if it's just for a like, thumbs up or a comment. Yeah, so I'm not as holy as others who expect nothing for their good deeds. I don't know how many people fit this "Holier than thou" mold you have proclaimed you fit into, but most people like some acknowledgement for the good deeds they perform and it doesn't have to be anything crazy. A sincere thanks goes a long way. These days, if someone took the time to give a post a like, that's something and means you most likely made a difference.

So, sorry for my selfish ways. I like feedback to know I'm making a difference. It helps me motivate to spend some of my free time on here helping people.
Interesting how I'm the one that likes to argue. Feel free to list any other trigger words I should avoid while I tiptoe around your ego. I apologize for my word choice causing such offense and interpreted aggression towards you.

EDIT: To be clear, I'm not actually apologizing for you getting so upset about my diction. Feel free to continue to harass me though. Unless my permission offends you as well? I'm not really sure what to do here...
 
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Interesting how I'm the one that likes to argue. Feel free to list any other trigger words I should avoid while I tiptoe around your ego.

Do me a favor and don't even mention me or my channel in your future posts. I don't need your help "Promoting" my channel. This way you don't have to tiptoe around my ego.

I'm not looking for arguments but I also don't let people talk shit and let it go unchecked. This forum is big enough for the both of us. I'll do my best to avoid you and I won't quote or direct any comment your way again, UNLESS, you mention me and then you'll get a response and maybe one you don't like.

Edit: Of course you're not apologizing, because in your opinion, your choice of words talking with me has been innocent and pure. I'm not stupid and have caught your subtle digs towards me in our past couple exchanges. If you're looking for stupid and clueless, look elsewhere. I'm not Einstein but I'm not the Village Idiot either.
 
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Do me a favor and don't even mention me or my channel in your future posts. I don't need your help "Promoting" my channel. This way you don't have to tiptoe around my ego.

I'm not looking for arguments but I also don't let people talk shit and let it go unchecked. This forum is big enough for the both of us. I'll do my best to avoid you and I won't quote or direct any comment your way again, UNLESS, you mention me and then you'll get a response and maybe one you don't like.

Edit: Of course you're not apologizing, because in your opinion, your choice of words talking with me has been innocent and pure. I'm not stupid and have caught your subtle digs towards me in our past couple exchanges. If you're looking for stupid and clueless, look elsewhere. I'm not Einstein but I'm not the Village Idiot either.
Yaaaa that's not gonna work for me. I'm not going to avoid you on here. The internet is big enough for all of us Timmy. Me, you, your ego, and my diction can all coexist here. It may not be peaceful, but we can all fit.
 
I'll probably get hammered from both parties but can the feud be temporarily suspended, please?

The OP probably is more concerned about how he will fix his rig rather than who is being offended, who is self-promoting, etc.

Don't attack me, I was just trying to get the thread back on point...
 
Yaaaa that's not gonna work for me. I'm not going to avoid you on here. The internet is big enough for all of us Timmy. Me, you, your ego, and my diction can all coexist here. It may not be peaceful, but we can all fit.

Of course you're not going to avoid me because you like to argue. Oh well, I suggested a way to avoid future conflict but you're not going to take it. Go ahead and talk more shit and you'll get it back in spades Bro.
 
I always appreciate your input, Tim and your videos have helped me a bunch in the past. I will take any well-meaning advice from anyone to help me make the best decision.

I'm leaning away from the used engine, bit my mechanic threw me a curveball today. He looked at me and cocked his head as he asked, "have you thought about an LS swap?"

What do y'all think of an LS swap?
My biggest goal with any decision will be dependability and longevity. That said, I sometimes pull a small camper and the thought of more oomph is attractive. It will continue to be my main daily driver.
 
It maybe best for both badluck and tim to just do your best to agree to disagree. :)

These things happen and going back and forth I don't think is going to solve it. If nothing else, just ignore each other. You both correct in your own ways.

Everyone has strengths and weaknesses and personalities will collide.

However, you 2 are going to have come to some sort of stalemate and learn to coexist. :)







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I agree that a used engine is a gamble unless you had video of it running etc.
That's you cheapest route .

These blocks are not known to have issues at all. Granted something can go wrong and have a cylinder issue.

If it were me, I would either get another used engine or rebuild the one you have.

Rebuilding will fix your issues and you should be good to go.

You could also do a head tear down to see exactly what your dealing with before deciding which course of action us best for you..:)

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