exhaust replacement options

stinkypoop

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Ive read a bit about the LC Engineering products for 1st gen exhaust system replacement, are there others? If you have a website link or a phone number for the company, that would be great.

Im not looking to spend a fortune, just a moderate amount to get her breathing easier. My 86 has the original exhaust still on her, after 175k miles and although she runs fine, I cant help but think that catalytic converter is plugged by now. Id complement the exhaust replacement with a K&N air filter up front of course. Unless someone has a better idea.

But Im mainly concerned with exhaust systems for now. Thanks fellas!
 
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The one mod I really regret is the header I put on my 22re. Here is why:
-The part cost ~$220
-The Heli-coil kit for the 6 studs that stripped out cost ~$70
-The gasket kept leaking
-I felt no increase in performance (perhaps even a decrease)

All that combined, I would have rather spent the $300 on a locker or t-case gears. BTW, engnbldr (if you don't know who he is, you need to) recommends keeping the stock manifold as the design is already well laid out.
Although, having a free-flowing cat is important. Before the header, I drove around for a few years with no cat and a glass-pack. It made a huge difference when I ditched my plugged-up cat (I am guessing the ceramic inside was 80% plugged up).
I went to checker and bought a 2.25 in- 2.25 out cat for $40 (for my chevy sedan).
If you are going to do exhaust, i recommend 2" pipe from the manifold collector back to the muffler (with the 2.25 in/out cat), followed by 2.25" tailpipe.

Mark
 
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Well, thats a relief. Id rather stick with stock equipment, where I can. The post I read about a guy's really horrible experience with LC Eng makes me want to steer clear of any aftermarket stuff.

yeah, Ive seen a few references to Engbldr, but didnt know he advises leaving the stock manifold, thats interesting. Very good to know actually, as I assumed from all the "exhaust" talk on various boards that the stock manifold was all wrong, thus a popular replacement.

Can you clarify where you got your cat? part number too maybe? $40 sounds great to me. Can a guy replace the cat, and keep the muffler? I cant see any rust-through in the muffler and would like to keep using it, barring any good reason not to. thanks!
 
I should probably re-state what I said.

I read one of Engnbldr's posts on 4x4wire that the stock manifold is a good design already. And he suggested save the money and run the stock manifold, with the recommendation of 2" pipe to the muffler, then 2.25.

Checker/Schucks/Kragen auto parts. they had all their cats in boxes and were nice enough to let me browse through them (diagrams and dimensions printed on box). I just found the one I wanted along with the preformed pipe for my sedan and took it all to the local muffler shop to have it installed. I don't know the part number.

If you want to keep your muffler, sure, you can.
 
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well, I got under there and looked at the thing, and I noticed the cat is connected by a flange, both on the cat and on the exhaust pipe, with bolts.

I imagine buying a universal fit cat would require me to weld it in place, since the universals dont seem to be equipped with a flange. Wont this be trouble when it comes time to replace it again?
 
I'm finalizing my upgrade list for a 1985 4Runner that I've owned since 1986 and is still basically stock. My current plan, among many other things, is to install an LC engineering header and exhaust all the way back including a new cat. I've spoken to them a couple of times on the phone and they have been quite helpful but I haven't yet ordered anything.

I would be interested if anyone else has had problems with their headers/exhaust systems. They certainly have a cat that would be a direct bolt in replacement. Just click on the online catalogue link.

Their website is: http://www.lcengineering.com/

BTW, if my engine ever runs out of steam, their 2.6l stroker engine really looks tempting (but expensive).
 
Most of the time you can find Ted (engnbldr) posting over at 4x4wire.

Here's the post referred to above from him:


Note to Readers EB (Ted) is a retired machinist who visits us here. He's been also been known to sneak around ovals in the Portland OR area, and wreak havoc with his Z06.

>>>*I said I would offer a few tips on improving the power output of the little 2.4L Toyota engine. For this discussion we are speaking of the 1985 and later engine design, it is the most efficient of all in this series.

So here goes.

The one trouble I had writing this was it started to sound a bit like an advertisement for parts I supply. The problem there is that of course those are the parts I use.

So right off the bat, remember that there are many good venders with many good items, and they may well be every bit as good as what I have. I will say there are quite a few builders out there that this old man spends as much time chasing as vice-versa. In any event, I will try to be as generic as possible.

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Our goal is to assemble the POTENTIAL to produce up to 150 horsepower, but what we usually really want is to improve the torque output within the normal operating powerband.

The basics include a solid short block, a sound cylinder head, an upgrade camshaft, and an improved exhaust system. From this point, we simply tease several areas.

Improvements to the fueling system can also help, but they are way down the list as to real gains, so I will not go into that, other than make sure the system is clean and the mixture proper.

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One very important step is to verify the quench before final assembly, which is often overlooked. Quench is the close collision of the piston head to the flat part of the combustion chamber. Nearly all aftermarket pistons are destroked by about .3mm or around .012" or so. This varies a tad between brands, so installing a new piston set will probably reduce the piston height. Then if your machinist resizes the connecting rods, you just lost even more deck height because they clip the cap and rod to do it. (Well, they do if they are doing it right.)

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There is only one real way to check for quench, you must assemble the short block and measure. So you will need one spare set of connecting rod bearings, they are cheap since all 1975 to 1995 take the same part, only the undersize varies depending on if your crankshaft is machined or not.

Then if the machine shop regrinds the crankshaft, you really could end up with 4 different deck heights in the same engine, unless they index the crankshaft stroke and most simply do not. By the time they get to, say, .030" undersize and have resized all of the connecting rods, it can stack up to a lot, and this just kills power output.

So "dummy" up the short block, and measure how close the piston is to the top of the block. A straight edge and a feeler guage makes this easy. We want it to be zero deck, or as close to that as we can get. Stock, the piston does protrude by about .006" or so, if yours does, this is fine.

The goal here is to get them all to as close to the same as possible and up where they belong.

If this measurement shows the piston is down from the top of the deck at TDC, you will need to disassemble and correct this by having the block decked. Tight quench means you can run proper ignition timing without pinging. A sloppy quench will create more pinging at less timing that the tighter compression ratio will, the blast effect of the close collision atomizes the mixture and distributes it better across the chamber.

Be sure to keep track of exactly how much is surfaced off the engine block, this is important I will get to why later.

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Right here I will insert one theory I have that is at odds with almost ALL other engine rebuilders. This is knife-edging the counterweights. I say this is exactly backwards.

Think of a V-bottomed boat, then a flat bottomed boat. Which one takes less power to get up on top? The knife-edged counterweight slides into the oil, and leads with much more surface area. Oil is kinda clingy stuff, even when hot. Instead, we smooth and blend the leading edge leaving it square. There is a pressure wave ahead of the flat surface, oil moves aside. The shaft spins more freely with less drag. I personally quit doing the knife-edging in circa 1990 on our stock car engines, the result was a drop in oil temp of about 15
 

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