Final timing chain parts check

the_dingman

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I'm going to be replacing my timing chain in the next month with a kit from engbldr. I want to make sure I have all the parts I need, so if anyone can tell me if there's anything I missed, or if there's anything more I should do than just replacing parts...

I intend to replace the parts and do a valve adjustment.

I have:

-New chain, sprokets, guides (metal) and tentioner
-New water pump
-New oil pump
-New timing chain cover
-New chain cover and water pump gaskets

I know I will need:
-Valve cover gasket
-Oil pan gasket (need to get broken guide pieces)


Anything else I'm missing?
 
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Nick I think you have it all - I've been looking at this too for this year, as I think mine's never had it done in 250K+ miles!

Are you going DOA or LC engineering on the kit? Both are about $200.
 
I went with the engnbldr kit, it was really cheap and came well reviewed... I think it was about $150 on ebay with the pumps, gaskets and timing chain cover.
 
Wow Nick that's cheap!

I only found a cam kit from them on ebay tonight, but checked out their site....I'll keep my eyes peeled for the timing kit - let me know how it goes!

phil
 
No, I'm waiting on a friend to have a chance to help me... I can say that from looking at the parts, these are pretty good.

I should be done by the end of the month. I'll keep you posted.
 
the_dingman said:
No, I'm waiting on a friend to have a chance to help me... I can say that from looking at the parts, these are pretty good.

I should be done by the end of the month. I'll keep you posted.

Great - glad to hear the parts look quality - still can't believe how cheap the kit is....

Looking forward to the update - if you are able to please take photos along the way (if you can't post them here, I'd love it if you could email me - I can PM you that...)

Good luck - ever since researching this more, I feel like my engine is a ticking bomb....

Phil
 
I know the feeling, I've driven my 4Runner twice in the last month... It's sat so much that last time I went to fill it with gas, there was a huge wasps nest behind my fuel door. :jaw drop:

I'm trying to get this done ASAP, as I'm getting married in September and we can't afford two car payments, so my 4Runner is going to be my only vehicle, the sooner I'm done with this the sooner I can sell my car.
 
I know the feeling, I've driven my 4Runner twice in the last month... It's sat so much that last time I went to fill it with gas, there was a huge wasps nest behind my fuel door. :jaw drop:

I'm trying to get this done ASAP, as I'm getting married in September and we can't afford two car payments, so my 4Runner is going to be my only vehicle, the sooner I'm done with this the sooner I can sell my car.

Nick - did you get to it yet? I ordered the same kit and the parts DO look nice - a steal if you ask me! I'm likely doing it in October - my buddy who's helping me gets married in early October so I'm, trying to snag him right after....
 
I'll be doing it on Sunday, and I'm very excited to have my 4Runner as my daily driver (P.S. Wanna buy an '02 VW Jetta? ;) )

I've also purchased new upper and lower radiator hoses, oil pan gasket, valve cover gasket and intake manifold gasket. I figure that if it's coming off to do the work, it's getting replaced.

I'll let you know how it goes.

-nick
 
I'll be doing it on Sunday, and I'm very excited to have my 4Runner as my daily driver (P.S. Wanna buy an '02 VW Jetta? ;) )

I've also purchased new upper and lower radiator hoses, oil pan gasket, valve cover gasket and intake manifold gasket. I figure that if it's coming off to do the work, it's getting replaced.

I'll let you know how it goes.

-nick

That's great Nick! Please take LOTS of photos if you can :)

I know posting them here is tough, but maybe you could email me them?

I'll pass on the Jetta...we just sold my wife's 06 Mazda 3 after 5 months of trying (now down to 4 cars!)....no room.

So you're not doing the FIPG for the oil pan? I'm on the fence as to use a gasket or the FIPG (can you use both for a more secure seal?).

Didn't notice that you had to remove the intake mani as well in this procedure - did I miss that or are you just doing it since you're tearing everything else apart?

Good luck!!
 
I had to do some work last year with my fuel injectors, and I had to remove the plenum about 15 times to get at them, and only replaced the gasket once... I think removing the plenum will make it easier, and I need to replace that gasket anyway...

I'll see what I can do about pictures, I know my friend will be trying to do things as fast as possible.
 
Ok, so my engine is back together and running better than it has as long as I've had it! I was working with a friends's husband who is a professional mechanic, so I really didn't get a chance to take pictures, as he was working very fast. To give you an idea, he hasn't worked on a 22R in over 10 years, and only looked at the repair manual or instructions for torque and timing specs...

Here's the lowdown for anyone else looking at this project with the engbldr kit:

The parts were good quality, and included everything I needed except:
-Valve cover gasket
-Oil pan gasked (I didn't use it as my guides were not broken, requiring to drop the pan.
-New Oil/Filter/Coolant
-I replaced my radiator hoses (good idea to do all 3 [yes, there's 3])
-White Lithium Grease (to prime the oil pump)
-Gasket sealant

There were a few extra parts in the kit, including an extra water pump gasket and oil pump crankshaft seal.


The install took about 11 hours (including breaks for food and the like). We did also adjust the valves, which took about 30 min. All the pictures, instructions and the like you see online are pretty much spot on. There were a few tricks we used, and a few things you won't want to forget:

-My friend was confident that his air gun would break loose the crankshaft pulley bolt... It did not. The breaker-bar to frame and starter trick worked like a charm on the first flick of the key.

-You don't need to drain the oil before you start, but change it afterward.

-You don't need to drop the oil pan if the guides did not break off, however, if you go this way:
- Wad up some paper towels in the oil pan where it's open to keep
stuff from falling in
- Put the timing chain cover in the freezer at the beginning of the day,
this will shrink it just enough slide in between the head and the oil pan.
Be very careful not to damage the head gasket!

- Mark the distributer location at TDC to avoid having to have a timing light. Don't put it in backwards, or it won't start. ;):

- Replace as much as you can of what you take off, what you don't replace (like the valve cover), clean very well and replace seals.

- If you adjust the valves, they do need to be done warm, so you will need to assemble the engine, run it, then take the cover off again to adjust. We tried adjusting cold, and it ticked badly.

Everything else was easy and just like we planned. The only bolts we had problems with were on the idler pulleys.

Hope this helps you on yours!
 
Thanks Nick!

Glad it worked out so well and thanks for all the pointers - this will help me too.

I've printed out 2 of the online DIY guides with photos so these, plus your feedback, should make it do able in a weekend.
 
I replaced the chain on one of my rigs this weekend, the cover would not go on when I tried (usually does just fine). I remembered reading somewhere about sticking the cover in the freezer, i tried it and it just popped right into place.
That was an awesome tip! And now I know where I read it from.
 
My friend told me that he'd had some tricks I wouldn't have heard, and that was one of them. Glad to hear it helped!
 

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